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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:18 pm

And that’s why taxes are important
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Postby Vivida Vis Animi » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:19 pm

Clearly the only solution available now is to do a complete 360 and tax all the things.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:20 pm

Vivida Vis Animi wrote:Clearly the only solution available now is to do a complete 360 and tax all the things.

While I know this an an absurd jump, imas a temporary measure it would fix things quickly
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Postby Vivida Vis Animi » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Vivida Vis Animi wrote:Clearly the only solution available now is to do a complete 360 and tax all the things.

While I know this an an absurd jump, imas a temporary measure it would fix things quickly

While it's obvious that there's either going to be some kind of bailout and/or tax overhaul, I can still dream.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:27 pm

Vivida Vis Animi wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:While I know this an an absurd jump, imas a temporary measure it would fix things quickly

While it's obvious that there's either going to be some kind of bailout and/or tax overhaul, I can still dream.

Or we could put Oklahoma down. It's been long overdue, and we can tell that it's in pain. Just replace it with Puerto Rico and we won't have to change the flag!
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:56 am

Northern Davincia wrote:This is why we ought to cut spending, folks.


"We tried this. It failed miserably. Let's do it some more!"
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:57 am

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Liriena wrote:For what purpose? How would that help the Oklahomans who need real life improvements right now?

For the purpose of privatization. If public schools are underfunded, stop them from being public, so on and so forth.


Given that the public schools weren't functioning, and the government wasn't collecting taxes to pay for them, there was precisely nothing stopping the free market from stepping up and providing schools to compete with them. That didn't happen.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Dahon » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:24 am

Salandriagado wrote:Given that the public schools weren't functioning, and the government wasn't collecting taxes to pay for them, there was precisely nothing stopping the free market from stepping up and providing schools to compete with them. That didn't happen.


The OK government still exists. Time to kill it so that the corporations can formally declare themselves Co-Governors.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:46 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Vivida Vis Animi wrote:Clearly the only solution available now is to do a complete 360 and tax all the things.

While I know this an an absurd jump, imas a temporary measure it would fix things quickly

By driving everybody who actually had anything worth taxing out of the state, so that the tax system couldn't collect anything and the government services would collapse anyway?
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:20 am

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Northern Davincia wrote:This is why we ought to cut spending, folks.


"We tried this. It failed miserably. Let's do it some more!"

Don't have to pay teachers, cops, and prison guards if there are no schools, police, or jails, amirite?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:24 am

Northern Davincia wrote:This is why we ought to cut spending, folks.

"The OK plane is crashing into the ground, let's make it crash even harder by doing the same things even more! That will fix everything! Somehow!"
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This is why we ought to cut spending, folks.

"The OK plane is crashing into the ground, let's make it crash even harder by doing the same things even more! That will fix everything! Somehow!"


But if there's no government spending it'll magically solve all our problems.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"The OK plane is crashing into the ground, let's make it crash even harder by doing the same things even more! That will fix everything! Somehow!"


But if there's no government spending it'll magically solve all our problems.



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Postby Kernen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:34 am

Its just so very hard to be upset about this. Last time I was in OK, I was given a lot of shit for not going to church. While I was there on business. Independently from several individuals. One landowner wouldn't let me on his ranch and we had to fly somebody else out to get that part of the survey done.

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:38 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Vivida Vis Animi wrote:While it's obvious that there's either going to be some kind of bailout and/or tax overhaul, I can still dream.

Or we could put Oklahoma down. It's been long overdue, and we can tell that it's in pain. Just replace it with Puerto Rico and we won't have to change the flag!
(total sarcasm, sorry if I offended any Oklahomans)

Apologizing to inhabitants of the flyover states? That’s not how this works!/s

Anyway, the electorate better make some demands from their government soon.

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How About OK state splits in two and the new state can be democratic socialists?
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:44 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:How About OK state splits in two and the new state can be democratic socialists?

I mean that would sole what? I mean the populace wouldn’t change overnight, and they’re the ones who elected these people.

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To close up shop altogether and let them big corporations handle everything? Like a bunch of absentee landlords?
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Sovaal wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:How About OK state splits in two and the new state can be democratic socialists?

I mean that would sole what? I mean the populace wouldn’t change overnight, and they’re the ones who elected these people.

It was a semi joking idea.
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Postby Apalacia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:48 am

I wonder how much money is generated through their toll roads?

Are we sure they need to raise taxes? Or maybe better money management in the state level?

Hell, legalize gambling, prostitution, and marijuana.

That will generate some fucking revenue, and be pretty damn good time.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:52 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This is why we ought to cut spending, folks.


"We tried this. It failed miserably. Let's do it some more!"

Oklahoma made the mistake of not acclimating people to living without government services. It's not a leap to be taken quickly.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"The OK plane is crashing into the ground, let's make it crash even harder by doing the same things even more! That will fix everything! Somehow!"


But if there's no government spending it'll magically solve all our problems.

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/busin ... 93889.html
Looks like we're halfway there to prosperity.
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Postby Dahon » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:58 am

OK, Leonardo, what even the fuck.

No, seriously, explain yourself -- what do you wanna see from Oklahoma after it trims itself to the strictures you evidently desire?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:04 am

Dahon wrote:OK, Leonardo, what even the fuck.

No, seriously, explain yourself -- what do you wanna see from Oklahoma after it trims itself to the strictures you evidently desire?

Afterwards? I want to see if residents can permanently remove themselves from government dependence.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:09 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
"We tried this. It failed miserably. Let's do it some more!"

Oklahoma made the mistake of not acclimating people to living without government services. It's not a leap to be taken quickly.
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But if there's no government spending it'll magically solve all our problems.

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/busin ... 93889.html
Looks like we're halfway there to prosperity.


Alicia Priest, president of Oklahoma Education Association, said she is disappointed in the outcome of the vote and encouraged lawmakers to keep trying to approve a pay raise for the state's teachers, who have not had a pay increase in 10 years. Oklahoma is ranked 49th in the nation in teacher pay.

"Today our members are back at school doing their job and they expect nothing less of our legislators," Priest said. "If there's a better plan, I expect to see it soon."

Priest said the organization's nearly 40,000 members expect state lawmakers to put aside partisan politics and gamesmanship that she says prevented passage of the revenue-raising bill in the House.

"We are not on a sustainable course and we've got to make a turn somewhere," Priest said. "The reality is we're going to have to raise revenue. Somewhere along the line we all have to pay our part to fund core government services."



That doesn't look like prosperity to me.

And to keep cutting when cutting and "Letting the free market work" failed sounds like we need to have an intervention.

The answer is never to keep cutting.
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Postby Dahon » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:11 am

So sacrifice lives to the altar of ideology, then. Flutterlands flipped.

Disappointed, but not... OK, fuck it, neutral's not for me.
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