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by Oil exporting People » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:21 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:32 pm
by Northern Davincia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:46 pm
Liriena wrote:Kramanica wrote:I'd prefer people have alternatives if they don't want to see their children to public schools. Competition leads to better results.
I disagree. Competition guarantees nothing. Your country has a booming private education system, and it's brimming with all manner of frauds, misleading advertising, and continued segregation.
And as far as I'm concerned, you are not entitled to "alternatives" unless you have a genuinely pressing need for them. Otherwise, we are just pandering to a "fuck you I got mine" mentality when it comes to a basic human right like education.
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by Petrasylvania » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:01 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What does "Feed the beast'" mean again?
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:53 pm
by The Rich Port » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:11 pm
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Oklahoma will just be bailed out by the federal government. The same thing happens to Texas every time they are about to lose their "rainy day fund". Failed state governments will be subsidized.
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:27 pm
by Cekoviu » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:29 pm
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
Oh the irony...
The sad part is when local governments like Detroit/Flint go bankrupt they replace the elected government with an appointed one. These cities are put up as poster cities of how democrats failed yet they never mention the white flight or the collapse of industry. Remove 60%+ of any large cities tax base and it will collapse. Even today those two cities are entirely broke and have not rebounded at all despite what effectively has amounted to absolute republican rule. The simple fact is you can't push a string no matter how hard you try and it doesn't matter if you push it with your left wing or right wing.
Meanwhile you take a moderately right wing state, apply aggressive tax reduction, collapse its basic services, collapse its economy, lose most of its intellectual capitol, and come up with the conclusion that the tax reduction was not aggressive enough. To me it eventually sounds like their senate/house just want the entire Oklahoma government to be 200 politicians sitting in a room and saying "we aint gotta do shit, now where is mywelfare check?paycheck?"
by Great Minarchistan » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:37 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:52 am
Neutraligon wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:A national curriculum would just mean the creationist vote of southern voters would contaminate the curriculum of the whole country.
Much as it sucks, I'd rather let the south have this one than take it away from the north.
Given how important Texas is to the textbook industry, it already does.
Saiwania wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:A national curriculum would just mean the creationist vote of southern voters would contaminate the curriculum of the whole country.
Much as it sucks, I'd rather let the south have this one than take it away from the north.
It could be drafted and dictated from Washington DC, using a committee from all states to iron out the details and all facts that are objectively wrong can be dismissed. The US isn't a more unitary country, unfortunately. Federalism is just full of weaknesses in terms of it being inefficient.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:17 am
Northern Davincia wrote:And public schools are drenched in abuse and strangled by teacher's unions.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Trumptonium » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 am
by Colbert Super PAC » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:27 am
by Phoenicaea » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:29 am
Trumptonium wrote:The United States is just about the only country left in the Western world where the class you are brought up in will be the primary and most important factor in your life opportunities. This will just sink Oklahoma's middle and lower middle class youth to the far left..
by Salandriagado » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:21 am
Saiwania wrote:
It could be drafted and dictated from Washington DC, using a committee from all states to iron out the details and all facts that are objectively wrong can be dismissed. The US isn't a more unitary country, unfortunately. Federalism is just full of weaknesses in terms of it being inefficient.
And there's the tradeoff. A committee from "all states" would include the influence of states that pander to creationist voters.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:20 am
Northern Davincia wrote:Liriena wrote:I disagree. Competition guarantees nothing. Your country has a booming private education system, and it's brimming with all manner of frauds, misleading advertising, and continued segregation.
And as far as I'm concerned, you are not entitled to "alternatives" unless you have a genuinely pressing need for them. Otherwise, we are just pandering to a "fuck you I got mine" mentality when it comes to a basic human right like education.
And public schools are drenched in abuse and strangled by teacher's unions. Alternatives to public education have nothing to do with mentality.
Petrasylvania wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What does "Feed the beast'" mean again?
"Starve the Beast" is what libertarian types in the GOP call the strategy of reducing the size of government by deliberately eliminating funding and revenue sufficient to run government agencies and departments to where they become incapable of fulfilling their tasks and give the GOP pretenses to downsize or abolish them.
by Kernen » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:28 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"drenched in abuse " [citation needed] "and strangled by teacher's unions" How dare the workers unite and protect there jobs of teaching children.
Clearly, sick scum./s
Also, if private schools are so good, then why haven't they replaced public schools by now?
by Ohioan Territory » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:35 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:44 am
Kernen wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"drenched in abuse " [citation needed] "and strangled by teacher's unions" How dare the workers unite and protect there jobs of teaching children.
Clearly, sick scum./s
FWIW, teacher unions do not always operate to protect the workers. Take this with a grain of salt, because it's anecdotal, but I've encountered teacher unions that were wielded rather like a bludgeon to punish administration for errors even when it did not benefit the teachers. In fact, in certain situations, the union's efforts were contrary to the students' well being, resulting in less funds for supplies and teacher strikes.
As with all anecdotal evidence, ymmv.Also, if private schools are so good, then why haven't they replaced public schools by now?
One of the benefits of private school is exclusivity. If everybody was in a private school, it wouldn't be exclusive, so private primary education doesn't have the incentive to expand dramatically. Especially when the public school can always undercut their prices.
by Kernen » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:49 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Hmm, ok. But most often the unions are there to help the workers.
Ah, ok. So the point of cutting the education budget like that just for the benefit of private schools was never going to help the majority of it's citizens anyway.
by Colbert Super PAC » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:59 am
Ohioan Territory wrote:Seems all that corporate welfare didn't work out well in terms of keeping business alive in Oklahoma.
A good start for Oklahoma would probably be to remove the 75% nonsense, raise taxes in some areas, and be a little lighter on the tax cutting for corporations. Something has to be done. Oklahoma's government is falling apart.
by Petrasylvania » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:00 am
Colbert Super PAC wrote:Ohioan Territory wrote:Seems all that corporate welfare didn't work out well in terms of keeping business alive in Oklahoma.
A good start for Oklahoma would probably be to remove the 75% nonsense, raise taxes in some areas, and be a little lighter on the tax cutting for corporations. Something has to be done. Oklahoma's government is falling apart.
But raising taxes is socialism! And isn't letting the government fall apart worth it so long as the commies don't win?
by Neutraligon » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:30 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Given how important Texas is to the textbook industry, it already does.
What, like other states can't print books? Does Texas have more printers in closer proximity to trees or something?Saiwania wrote:
It could be drafted and dictated from Washington DC, using a committee from all states to iron out the details and all facts that are objectively wrong can be dismissed. The US isn't a more unitary country, unfortunately. Federalism is just full of weaknesses in terms of it being inefficient.
And there's the tradeoff. A committee from "all states" would include the influence of states that pander to creationist voters.
by Post War America » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:16 pm
Neutraligon wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:What, like other states can't print books? Does Texas have more printers in closer proximity to trees or something?
And there's the tradeoff. A committee from "all states" would include the influence of states that pander to creationist voters.
Texas is basically the biggest buyer of textbooks. Since it is easier (and cheaper) to just make one textbook, most of the textbook makers make one that is geared towards the demands of Texas.
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