by Yagon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:45 am
by Yagon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:54 am
Alvecia wrote:I think we're getting there, slowly. Certainly, we're far better about it than we used to be.
by Thermodolia » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 am
by Ethel mermania » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:56 am
by Yagon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:59 am
Edreland wrote:No, there will always be fighting over territory. Especially as the infinite expanses of space are opened up to us.
by Thermodolia » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:00 am
by Yagon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:01 am
by Saiwania » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:11 am
by Alvecia » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:12 am
Yagon wrote:Alvecia wrote:I think we're getting there, slowly. Certainly, we're far better about it than we used to be.
I'm unversed in history, but that which I've read seems to indicate we fought incessantly and sometimes viciously in the past. How much of our improvement in that regard would you estimate comes from weapon technology (nuclear weapons preventing global conflict, etc), domestic technology (fertilizers and machines producing enough that we don't need to fight over things as much), and/or culture (whatever cultural expression makes people less like to fight)? Other things?
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:13 am
by Yagon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:17 am
Saiwania wrote:The short answer is no. And it remains the best possible means of resolving an intractable dispute. The victor has always had a right to the spoils of war.
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:17 am
by Sovaal » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:18 am
by Deads Heads » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:18 am
Abraxim wrote:Deads Heads wrote:Because God is evil, at least according to the standards we, the puny worms beneath him, put up. Not only does he allow evil to exist but propagates evil in his words and actions. Therefore, there really are no good Christians, when you get right down to it. All you find is ignorance-praising tyrant worship out of fear of eternal torture in a lake of fire by a ghost and his minions at the end of the world or hatred towards those upon whom the punishment will be enacted. Or both.
Heavenly Father,
I pray that the person who believes the opinion above comes to know you, and you can take away the blindness in his heart.
In the name of Jesus Christ, our only true Lord.
Amen.
by Yagon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:18 am
Alvecia wrote:Yagon wrote:
I'm unversed in history, but that which I've read seems to indicate we fought incessantly and sometimes viciously in the past. How much of our improvement in that regard would you estimate comes from weapon technology (nuclear weapons preventing global conflict, etc), domestic technology (fertilizers and machines producing enough that we don't need to fight over things as much), and/or culture (whatever cultural expression makes people less like to fight)? Other things?
I wouldn't know enough to give numbers, but as in all things, a combination of several factors (those included) is likely the closest answer.
by Sovaal » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:20 am
Deads Heads wrote:It's not human behavior, if most humans on the planet do not partake in it consciously. Competition over resources endangers our survival if not risking outright extinction as it does for other species than humans. People never want war, because they don't benefit from it in any real way. The jobs gotten are imaginary and a state can be funded easily with a solid industrial base and participation in the international market without need for imperialism and harsh taxation or fear of the economic failures caused by financial capitalism.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:35 am
by Krasny-Volny » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:38 am
by Mega Mexico » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:42 am
by Deads Heads » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:42 am
Sovaal wrote:Deads Heads wrote:It's not human behavior, if most humans on the planet do not partake in it consciously. Competition over resources endangers our survival if not risking outright extinction as it does for other species than humans. People never want war, because they don't benefit from it in any real way. The jobs gotten are imaginary and a state can be funded easily with a solid industrial base and participation in the international market without need for imperialism and harsh taxation or fear of the economic failures caused by financial capitalism.
What? Resource completion is what keeps species (or at least the lucky ones) alive. Those who lose die. Natural selection baby.
And to say that most people don’t compete for resources today is to not under stand things such as the job market and capitalist economy.
Abraxim wrote:Deads Heads wrote:Because God is evil, at least according to the standards we, the puny worms beneath him, put up. Not only does he allow evil to exist but propagates evil in his words and actions. Therefore, there really are no good Christians, when you get right down to it. All you find is ignorance-praising tyrant worship out of fear of eternal torture in a lake of fire by a ghost and his minions at the end of the world or hatred towards those upon whom the punishment will be enacted. Or both.
Heavenly Father,
I pray that the person who believes the opinion above comes to know you, and you can take away the blindness in his heart.
In the name of Jesus Christ, our only true Lord.
Amen.
by Mega Mexico » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:44 am
Krasny-Volny wrote:No.
It isn't just some primal instinct to defend and hold territory. It's about resources in that territory.
Most non-state, inter-ethnic conflicts in sub-Saharan Africa, for example, occur over shrinking pastureland on which to graze ever-multiplying herds of cattle. It has everything to do with environmental degradation and nothing to do with a desire to actually capture and hold acreage.
by Lost Memories » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:11 am
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