Female officers on stop-and-frisk/TSA duty?

[Katganistan]

Males have the right to not be fondled by gay males. If males never fought for the right not to be fondled by females, maybe it's because it didn't matter to them.

PEOPLE have the right not to be fondled. Full stop.

[Lavan Tiri]

Um, wrong direction.

The problem is that men are never taught they have any right to their own bodies at all. So "being fondled" is just something we have to deal with and grin and bear it.

The answer isn't "welp, that's the way it is. let's just roll with it." - it's to teach men as we've taught women that they DO have a right to their own bodies and to be concerned with sexually aggressive female molesters.

Males have the right to not be fondled by gay males.

I would make an awkward joke about this with my boyfriend. . .

If males never fought for the right not to be fondled by females, maybe it's because it didn't matter to them.

Or because, as men, we're taught that any sexual-type contact is welcome and we should like it (unless it's faggy).

[Sovaal]

Males have the right to not be fondled by gay males. If males never fought for the right not to be fondled by females, maybe it's because it didn't matter to them.

PEOPLE have the right not to be fondled. Full stop.

Pfft, get out of here with your equality nonsense./s

[Stellar Colonies]

I've never actually been stopped and searched by the TSA, which likely has something to do with the fact I'm still under eighteen.

But I'd probably be equally uncomfortable regardless of the gender of the person doing it.

[Liriena]

TSA should be entirely removed tbh

Good take

They aren't very good at their job, generally speaking.

[Western-Ukraine]

I see no issue. It could add some additional security with little cost. Male officers for men and female officers for women, that's how it goes. It's only sexual if you think of it that way. What's with all this wanting to put down TSA because of personal likes and dislikes anyway? I want to see some actual arguments against TSA, something solid to show why it's not worth doing.

[Infected Mushroom]

and they are only doing it to protect everyone from terrorists and criminals

its for the greater good after all

Because they're so motherfuckin' good at catching terrorists. The TSA is, by and large, not keeping Americans safe--if terrorist wanted they could stage a reenactment of 9/11 every so often and the TSA would be entirely unable to stop them. Maybe they rotate landmarks, to keep it fresh. BOOM goes the Golden Gate Bridge, BOOM goes the Saint Louis Arch, BOOM goes Tom Hanks. . .and the TSA would be unable to stop it, because they can't detect the vast majority of weapons (some plastic explosives are undetectable by their reader thingies), and the smart terrorists can take advantage of their awfulness. Don't act like the TSA is performing a valuable service--they're attempting to perform a service that private companies were already dealing with.

Also, I personally don't care about the gender of the officer frisking me--they're just doing their job, and I'm enduring it.

The TSA is but one of many layers of security initiatives; they have a collective effect. The CIA, FBI, NSA and other agencies all run other covert measures and surveillance. We need all the security we can get.

[Sovaal]

I see no issue. It could add some additional security with little cost. Male officers for men and female officers for women, that's how it goes. It's only sexual if you think of it that way.

Huh, never knew that nothing was never sexual unless you though of it that way, even when they grab your junk! Guess all those sexual harassment cases are bunk too?

What's with all this wanting to put down TSA because of personal likes and dislikes anyway? I want to see some actual arguments against TSA, something solid to show why it's not worth doing.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419231/tsas-95-percent-failure-rate-security-theater-farce-kevin-d-williamson

[Lavan Tiri]

Because they're so motherfuckin' good at catching terrorists. The TSA is, by and large, not keeping Americans safe--if terrorist wanted they could stage a reenactment of 9/11 every so often and the TSA would be entirely unable to stop them. Maybe they rotate landmarks, to keep it fresh. BOOM goes the Golden Gate Bridge, BOOM goes the Saint Louis Arch, BOOM goes Tom Hanks. . .and the TSA would be unable to stop it, because they can't detect the vast majority of weapons (some plastic explosives are undetectable by their reader thingies), and the smart terrorists can take advantage of their awfulness. Don't act like the TSA is performing a valuable service--they're attempting to perform a service that private companies were already dealing with.

Also, I personally don't care about the gender of the officer frisking me--they're just doing their job, and I'm enduring it.

The TSA is but one of many layers of security initiatives; they have a collective effect. The CIA, FBI, NSA and other agencies all run other covert measures and surveillance. We need all the security we can get.

Prove it.

[Kramanica]

Males have the right to not be fondled by gay males. If males never fought for the right not to be fondled by females, maybe it's because it didn't matter to them.

PEOPLE have the right not to be fondled. Full stop.

Every time someone says "full stop" I get a headache.

[Salandriagado]

Um, wrong direction.

The problem is that men are never taught they have any right to their own bodies at all. So "being fondled" is just something we have to deal with and grin and bear it.

The answer isn't "welp, that's the way it is. let's just roll with it." - it's to teach men as we've taught women that they DO have a right to their own bodies and to be concerned with sexually aggressive female molesters.

Males have the right to not be fondled by gay males. If males never fought for the right not to be fondled by females, maybe it's because it didn't matter to them.

Interesting. So a century ago, when women hadn't fought for the right not to be fondled by men, it didn't matter to them?

[Salandriagado]

PEOPLE have the right not to be fondled. Full stop.

Every time someone says "full stop" I get a headache.

Why?

[Kramanica]

Every time someone says "full stop" I get a headache.

Why?

Just... an irritating term.

[Kramanica]

Um, wrong direction.

The problem is that men are never taught they have any right to their own bodies at all. So "being fondled" is just something we have to deal with and grin and bear it.

The answer isn't "welp, that's the way it is. let's just roll with it." - it's to teach men as we've taught women that they DO have a right to their own bodies and to be concerned with sexually aggressive female molesters.

Males have the right to not be fondled by gay males. If males never fought for the right not to be fondled by females, maybe it's because it didn't matter to them.

How about people have a right to not be fondled by anyone or anything.

Sound good?

[Salandriagado]

Why?

Just... an irritating term.

Do you get similarly annoyed by people using the word "period"?

[Serrono]

I think that regardless of your gender being padded down by a grumpy, half-awake TSA agent at six o'clock isn't going be too comfortable. I understand situations wherein people of the opposite gender wouldn't like to have their private parts padded down, and I think it goes for both genders. I know men who would be uncomfortable being patted down by a woman. I think TSA should at least try to respect people's preferences.

I don't mind either way. Just do it quickly and respectfully.

[Ethel mermania]

Males have the right to not be fondled by gay males. If males never fought for the right not to be fondled by females, maybe it's because it didn't matter to them.

PEOPLE have the right not to be fondled. Full stop.

Not if they want to get on an airplane.

[Ethel mermania]

I think that regardless of your gender being padded down by a grumpy, half-awake TSA agent at six o'clock isn't going be too comfortable. I understand situations wherein people of the opposite gender wouldn't like to have their private parts padded down, and I think it goes for both genders. I know men who would be uncomfortable being patted down by a woman. I think TSA should at least try to respect people's preferences.

I don't mind either way. Just do it quickly and respectfully.

They do do it by sex.

[Kramanica]

Just... an irritating term.

Do you get similarly annoyed by people using the word "period"?

Yes.

[Nui-ta]

It's "safety theater". There are other more effective measures like intelligence gathering, counter-terrorism initiatives, and air marshals that actually make me feel safe.

The TSA really just exists to make people feel like something is being done to keep them safe where they can visually see that it's happening.

Of course, as a brown person candidate for random searches, and a female, I would personally prefer that another female frisk me or maybe instead of "random" selections you could just tell me it's because I'm brown oh wait, no you can't because then all of a sudden it's a glaring violation of my civil rights. Not that I haven't been frisked by guys but it does feel kinda weird. I wonder if women in general are just subconsciously trained to feel weirder about it than men are, but I think I might be getting ahead of myself here.

[Purpelia]

Females? If so, they must've been onto something, being that they did a better job convincing males to be okay with it than males did convincing females to be okay with it.

They actually have. Just not in the same culture. There are in fact cultures where women are routinely trained to believe that if they get raped, yes not even fondled but outright raped, it's their fault, they are damaged and need to be stoned to death. I won't be dropping any names here but we all know who I am talking about.

It's all down to who your society decides decides to fuck with and how.

[Apalacia]

I've never had an issue with TSA. Most airports I've been to operated quite effectively while I was there.

That being said, I was stopped in LAX, was pulled to the side, wand, frisk, and told to remove my uniform jacket and remove all the ribbons and badges on my uniform.
To which I kindly said.
"Make me."
Talked to a supervisor, then a manager, then some cops, and got on my plane with my jacket on and awards in place.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Females? If so, they must've been onto something, being that they did a better job convincing males to be okay with it than males did convincing females to be okay with it.

They actually have. Just not in the same culture. There are in fact cultures where women are routinely trained to believe that if they get raped, yes not even fondled but outright raped, it's their fault, they are damaged and need to be stoned to death. I won't be dropping any names here but we all know who I am talking about.

It's all down to who your society decides decides to fuck with and how.

It takes a very precarious balance to keep women from standing up to themselves; one wrong move and it comes crashing down. Even the west managed to do that, but only temporarily. Only by convincing women of an afterlife have they been able to hold them back, and lately, even that was not enough.

Meanwhile, in the west, both sexes have the vote, and pulls society in a direction... relatively more representative of human nature than the Middle East. But somehow we're not yet honest enough with ourselves about it to address concerns about privacy in this manner.

[Katganistan]

I see no issue. It could add some additional security with little cost. Male officers for men and female officers for women, that's how it goes. It's only sexual if you think of it that way. What's with all this wanting to put down TSA because of personal likes and dislikes anyway? I want to see some actual arguments against TSA, something solid to show why it's not worth doing.

They haven't prevented anyone bringing bombs or weapons onto planes. In fact, it's pretty regularly publicized that people sneak things past them that they're supposed to catch.

They are intrusive. I don't like people fondling my breasts because I happen to have an underwire.

It is a waste of time for all involved and a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

[Katganistan]

PEOPLE have the right not to be fondled. Full stop.

Every time someone says "full stop" I get a headache.

Because