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Which caste are you in?

Brahmin
37
42%
Kshatriya
15
17%
Vaishya
14
16%
Shudra
18
20%
Dalit
4
5%
 
Total votes : 88

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Postby Socialist Union Of Deutschland » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:16 pm

This Indian "Caste System" is a manipulative tool created by narcissistic elites to control society on a massive scale. Those who refuse to truly respect owners and snobby monarchs are viewed as useless, and will not be allowed to go up on this horrible hierarchy. I am a socialist, and I do not look down on those who "Are On The Bottom."

Janitors, agricultural workers, workplace coordinators, teachers, doctors, and state workers are not to be classified, since I do not believe in the concept of class.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:09 am

Nakena wrote:The caste system was originally introduced to keep the upper caste of the aryan conquerors and their descendants forever and for all eternity in power. It's exactly there to create a racialist hierarchy, rather than one based on profession.


That is quite fascinating. So are you sure that because I'm White, that I'd automatically be a Brahmin? I have heard that the old Nazi belief about the "Aryans" being from Europe has been debunked. It'd be nice if there was a resident India expert on these here forums. What I can manage to find via Google is quite lacking. I recall "Arch" knowing quite a bit about ancient Egypt, enough to satisfy my inquiries.

It is a good system if you're apart of that upper hierarchy and it actually works in keeping you and your social circle firmly in power in perpetuity. As an experiment, I've been thinking of asking Indians their caste and for non-Indians, I think I'll do a surface level investigation of their background and the caste they fall closest into, I'll treat them accordingly.

If an Untouchable's shadow falls upon mine, I'm apparently supposed to be greatly offended and I can't let one touch me. I'm obligated to treat one with the utmost disrespect. There is of course, a limit to this. I'm not the type to really be out to hurt anyone physically for petty reasons. It appeals to me in that, I would have a clearer understanding of who is above me, and who is below me.

*I have to note that it seems that too many people are voting Brahmin, but the truth is that not everyone can be one; it is only possible for a small percent of people to be in that elite. I can't think of a way to address this so I'm a bit disappointed, the poll won't be representative if people are lying about their caste.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:37 am

Well, castes are hierarchical elitist BS

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 am

None. It's an outdated and disgusting system meant to make sure that the poor can never better themselves, and that the rich and educated need never share their privilege with others.
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Postby Alvecia » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:42 am

Katganistan wrote:None. It's an outdated and disgusting system meant to make sure that the poor can never better themselves, and that the rich and educated need never share their privilege with others.

Fun fact: it’s a common belief that in areas that also believe in reincarnation, the lowest caste are consider to have deserved it by having done something bad in their past life.
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Postby Dahon the Alternative » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:47 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Caste systems are shit and we don't have one, so none.


Or make yourself a Brahmin and piss Sai more, as no one is willing to abase themselves before him or his worldview.
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Postby The Democratic Marxists » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:52 am

You guys are being such dumbasses. I am actually Indian. The caste system is an outdated part of Hindu religion (yup, there are other religions in India folks!). Also, your profession in the current world does not determine caste. Rather, it is your last name, or your original heritage. I am a Brahmin, technically, although I believe the caste system is a worthless piece of shit. My heritage is from the Chatterjee surname, a Brahmin legacy. Other Brahmin surnames are Banerjee, Mukherjee, and Ganguli. However, for religious lunatics in India, a Dalit who becomes Chief Minister of a state is still a Dalit, not a Kshatriya.

However, it is illegal in India to discriminate based on caste, okay? If it wasn’t for all those idiotic thugs who go assaulting and murdering Dalits, this fucking caste issue would not even exist. Caste in India no longer determines your life, get it? We have multiple government ministers who are technically Dalits. And this chat is giving India a bad name. It is only the crazy religious Hindu extremists who practice the caste system, just like only extremist Muslims are part of the terrorism problem. So all you elitist Westerners can shut your self moral and judgmental mouths about a country you know nothing about.

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Postby Ohioan Territory » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:55 am

None, being that I'm not Indian. A lot of my Indian friends are Brahmins, though.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Risottia wrote:Teaching both high school and university courses & being light-skinned, that would make me rather Brahmin. If I were Indian, which I ain't.

Indian, Italian, same thing basically.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:06 am

The Democratic Marxists wrote:Also, your profession in the current world does not determine caste. Rather, it is your last name, or your original heritage. I am a Brahmin, technically, although I believe the caste system is a worthless piece of shit. My heritage is from the Chatterjee surname, a Brahmin legacy. Other Brahmin surnames are Banerjee, Mukherjee, and Ganguli. However, for religious lunatics in India, a Dalit who becomes Chief Minister of a state is still a Dalit, not a Kshatriya.


I'm not Indian, so I don't have the benefit of having my last name already assigned to a caste, so in the absence of that- I think that there isn't a choice but to use your parent(s) occupation or your family's economic status if a non-Indian wants to know what caste they'd be put in. Unlike a lot of people, I don't think that the caste system necessarily gives India a bad name, it is just a rather unique system that has such history behind it. I'm perhaps a bit too enthralled by it because I have no personal experience with it good or bad.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:07 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Yet not a peep from Westerners about Hinduism being a barbaric primitive religion.


Probably because we don't have much contact with it

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_the_United_Kingdom]The UK does[/quote]
Washington Resistance Army wrote:and Hindus aren't trying to kill us.

Neither are we.
And yes, the caste system is oppressive and totally wrong. But I have a quesiton: does the caste system have support in the Hindu religion, or is it a pre-Hindu tradition?
The Democratic Marxists wrote:You guys are being such dumbasses. I am actually Indian. The caste system is an outdated part of Hindu religion (yup, there are other religions in India folks!). Also, your profession in the current world does not determine caste. Rather, it is your last name, or your original heritage. I am a Brahmin, technically, although I believe the caste system is a worthless piece of shit. My heritage is from the Chatterjee surname, a Brahmin legacy. Other Brahmin surnames are Banerjee, Mukherjee, and Ganguli. However, for religious lunatics in India, a Dalit who becomes Chief Minister of a state is still a Dalit, not a Kshatriya.

However, it is illegal in India to discriminate based on caste, okay? If it wasn’t for all those idiotic thugs who go assaulting and murdering Dalits, this fucking caste issue would not even exist. Caste in India no longer determines your life, get it? We have multiple government ministers who are technically Dalits. And this chat is giving India a bad name. It is only the crazy religious Hindu extremists who practice the caste system, just like only extremist Muslims are part of the terrorism problem. So all you elitist Westerners can shut your self moral and judgmental mouths about a country you know nothing about.

Phew, that’s that with the rant!

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:08 am

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The Democratic Marxists wrote:Also, your profession in the current world does not determine caste. Rather, it is your last name, or your original heritage. I am a Brahmin, technically, although I believe the caste system is a worthless piece of shit. My heritage is from the Chatterjee surname, a Brahmin legacy. Other Brahmin surnames are Banerjee, Mukherjee, and Ganguli. However, for religious lunatics in India, a Dalit who becomes Chief Minister of a state is still a Dalit, not a Kshatriya.


I'm not Indian, so I don't have the benefit of having my last name already assigned to a caste, so in the absence of that- I think that there isn't a choice but to use your parent(s) occupation or your family's economic status if a non-Indian wants to know what caste they'd be put in. Unlike a lot of people, I don't think that the caste system necessarily gives India a bad name, it is just a rather unique system that has such history behind it. I'm perhaps a bit too enthralled by it because I have no personal experience with it good or bad.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:09 am

Saiwania wrote:if a non-Indian wants to know what caste they'd be put in.

Why would anyone want ot know that?
Saiwania wrote:Unlike a lot of people, I don't think that the caste system necessarily gives India a bad name, it is just a rather unique system that has such history behind it.

Well, you're not Indian, so you don't ahve a say in what gives India a bad name and what doesn't.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The Democratic Marxists » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:09 am

Saiwania wrote:
The Democratic Marxists wrote:Also, your profession in the current world does not determine caste. Rather, it is your last name, or your original heritage. I am a Brahmin, technically, although I believe the caste system is a worthless piece of shit. My heritage is from the Chatterjee surname, a Brahmin legacy. Other Brahmin surnames are Banerjee, Mukherjee, and Ganguli. However, for religious lunatics in India, a Dalit who becomes Chief Minister of a state is still a Dalit, not a Kshatriya.


I'm not Indian, so I don't have the benefit of having my last name already assigned to a caste, so in the absence of that- I think that there isn't a choice but to use your parent(s) occupation or your family's economic status if a non-Indian wants to know what caste they'd be put in. Unlike a lot of people, I don't think that the caste system necessarily gives India a bad name, it is just a rather unique system that has such history behind it. I'm perhaps a bit too enthralled by it because I have no personal experience with it good or bad.


Well, read a bit more history and news. Thugs shred apart Dalits in the street when they marry a member of a higher caste. The government has historically fought this kind of discrimination; The Congress Party of India always used to assist lower castes in finding jobs, homes, etc. It is only the recent rightist BJP government that ignores, or even allows this kind of inhumane practice of the caste war.
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Saiwania wrote:
I'm not Indian, so I don't have the benefit of having my last name already assigned to a caste, so in the absence of that- I think that there isn't a choice but to use your parent(s) occupation or your family's economic status if a non-Indian wants to know what caste they'd be put in. Unlike a lot of people, I don't think that the caste system necessarily gives India a bad name, it is just a rather unique system that has such history behind it. I'm perhaps a bit too enthralled by it because I have no personal experience with it good or bad.


Well, read a bit more history and news. Thugs shred apart Dalits in the street when they marry a member of a higher caste. The government has historically fought this kind of discrimination; The Congress Party of India always used to assist lower castes in finding jobs, homes, etc. It is only the recent rightist BJP government that ignores, or even allows this kind of inhumane practice of the caste war.

They also hate Muslims.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The Democratic Marxists » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:12 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
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Well, read a bit more history and news. Thugs shred apart Dalits in the street when they marry a member of a higher caste. The government has historically fought this kind of discrimination; The Congress Party of India always used to assist lower castes in finding jobs, homes, etc. It is only the recent rightist BJP government that ignores, or even allows this kind of inhumane practice of the caste war.

They also hate Muslims.


Indeed. It is a sorry state of affairs. And the hate of Muslims is a policy openly encouraged and supported by the government today.
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Saiwania wrote:I've been reading about the Caste system in India and I must say, I truly am impressed by it. I figure that there must be something appealing about it, if this system has managed to survive and endure for thousands of years on the Indian subcontinent.


Why would you be impressed by it? Its a disgusting system of oppression. And for your information, people brainwashed by extreme Hinduism love the system; there’s nothing “appealing” about it. The British used it to further divides in India to keep control over the population. Gandhi understood this, so one of his first steps was to empower Dalits and Untouchables. Now, the govnerment uses it to remain seemingly “devoted to righteous Hinduism,” aka extreme Hindu nationalism.
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Saiwania wrote:
The Democratic Marxists wrote:Also, your profession in the current world does not determine caste. Rather, it is your last name, or your original heritage. I am a Brahmin, technically, although I believe the caste system is a worthless piece of shit. My heritage is from the Chatterjee surname, a Brahmin legacy. Other Brahmin surnames are Banerjee, Mukherjee, and Ganguli. However, for religious lunatics in India, a Dalit who becomes Chief Minister of a state is still a Dalit, not a Kshatriya.


I'm not Indian, so I don't have the benefit of having my last name already assigned to a caste, so in the absence of that- I think that there isn't a choice but to use your parent(s) occupation or your family's economic status if a non-Indian wants to know what caste they'd be put in. Unlike a lot of people, I don't think that the caste system necessarily gives India a bad name, it is just a rather unique system that has such history behind it. I'm perhaps a bit too enthralled by it because I have no personal experience with it good or bad.


Dude, we know you just like hierarchies in everything -- "white" above, everyone else the subject of your feigned pity. No caste or race or whatever mixing or you get fucked.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:19 am

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Saiwania wrote:I've been reading about the Caste system in India and I must say, I truly am impressed by it. I figure that there must be something appealing about it, if this system has managed to survive and endure for thousands of years on the Indian subcontinent.


Why would you be impressed by it? Its a disgusting system of oppression. And for your information, people brainwashed by extreme Hinduism love the system; there’s nothing “appealing” about it. The British used it to further divides in India to keep control over the population. Gandhi understood this, so one of his first steps was to empower Dalits and Untouchables. Now, the govnerment uses it to remain seemingly “devoted to righteous Hinduism,” aka extreme Hindu nationalism.

Is the caste system a part of Hinduism or not?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The Democratic Marxists » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:22 am

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Why would you be impressed by it? Its a disgusting system of oppression. And for your information, people brainwashed by extreme Hinduism love the system; there’s nothing “appealing” about it. The British used it to further divides in India to keep control over the population. Gandhi understood this, so one of his first steps was to empower Dalits and Untouchables. Now, the govnerment uses it to remain seemingly “devoted to righteous Hinduism,” aka extreme Hindu nationalism.

Is the caste system a part of Hinduism or not?


Its an interesting question. The caste system was pre-Hinduism - however, Brahmins eventually became religious leaders, who supposedly understood all about the world. This solidified the caste system as part of a Hindu tradition, as Brahmins knew religious scriptures by heart. However many Hindus today see it as an outdated system that doesn’t have relevance anymore.
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Postby The Democratic Marxists » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:25 am

Hinduism’s underlying principle is Karma, which means that your deeds will define you even in another life. The caste system, many now believe, should have nothing to do with that.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:27 am

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Is the caste system a part of Hinduism or not?


Its an interesting question. The caste system was pre-Hinduism - however, Brahmins eventually became religious leaders, who supposedly understood all about the world. This solidified the caste system as part of a Hindu tradition, as Brahmins knew religious scriptures by heart. However many Hindus today see it as an outdated system that doesn’t have relevance anymore.

Hm, so it's was just rich priests who wanted power, and put the caste system in Hinduism to keep their power?
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Postby The Democratic Marxists » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:28 am

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Its an interesting question. The caste system was pre-Hinduism - however, Brahmins eventually became religious leaders, who supposedly understood all about the world. This solidified the caste system as part of a Hindu tradition, as Brahmins knew religious scriptures by heart. However many Hindus today see it as an outdated system that doesn’t have relevance anymore.

Hm, so it's was just rich priests who wanted power, and put the caste system in Hinduism to keep their power?


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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:33 am

Hmm...

Well one of my parents is a government administrator and the other was in law enforcement. So I guess that would make me a Kshatriya.

However, I know that their parents were poor farmers and laborers. In that case, I'd probably be a Shudra.

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm

The Democratic Marxists wrote:You guys are being such dumbasses. I am actually Indian. The caste system is an outdated part of Hindu religion (yup, there are other religions in India folks!). Also, your profession in the current world does not determine caste. Rather, it is your last name, or your original heritage. I am a Brahmin, technically, although I believe the caste system is a worthless piece of shit. My heritage is from the Chatterjee surname, a Brahmin legacy. Other Brahmin surnames are Banerjee, Mukherjee, and Ganguli. However, for religious lunatics in India, a Dalit who becomes Chief Minister of a state is still a Dalit, not a Kshatriya.

However, it is illegal in India to discriminate based on caste, okay? If it wasn’t for all those idiotic thugs who go assaulting and murdering Dalits, this fucking caste issue would not even exist. Caste in India no longer determines your life, get it? We have multiple government ministers who are technically Dalits. And this chat is giving India a bad name. It is only the crazy religious Hindu extremists who practice the caste system, just like only extremist Muslims are part of the terrorism problem. So all you elitist Westerners can shut your self moral and judgmental mouths about a country you know nothing about.

Phew, that’s that with the rant!

Or not. You're free to remove yourself from the discussion if it is distasteful to you that people think that it stinks. And when you can in one breath say it no longer determines your life and also that thugs assault and murder Dalits, then it very much DOES determine your life.

And 'this chat' is not 'giving India a bad name'. India's caste system is problematic, and it's that system that we're discussing, not the Indian people itself, so save the outrage.

Of course since you are TECHNICALLY Brahmin, it's not something YOU need worry about, is it?
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