The first Humans in Britain were Black

[Greed and Death]

This is not a surprise. Phenotype is caused to lighten by lack of Vitamin D. Hunter gathers and particularly those who eat fish tend to have sufficient vitamin D through diet that they do not need UV radiation to product vitamin D.

Also the first People in Britain were always going to be darker then the ideal phenotype for that latitude.

Lightening of skin really did not kick off until farming became the primary source of calories.

[Sovaal]

Problem with that is that it wasn’t an argument. Still, far better then your “your wrong” and not even explaining why. From my point of view I explained fairly well why their view of race didn’t really match up with the reality of how most people apply it. Epsically that whole statement of how the terms ‘black’ and ‘white’ have nothing to do with skin color.

But hey, if you want to harp on me that’s cool too. Just don’t be upset if I block you.

You just told him, "No, that's not how race works" and then gave your own completely subjective assertions about what race is, with no explanation of what makes your version more accurate than his. You explained what your interpretation of race is. You didn't explain why it is better than his.

My point is not whether your interpretation of race is right or wrong. My point is that arguing it won't get you any closer to fixing racism. Since race is a social construct, there is no objectively correct definition of "black" or "white" or whatever, and asserting your own definitions misses the point. If you want to convince someone to reconsider a racist attitude, you need to address THEIR conception of race. If you try to impose your own definitions instead of working with what they give you, you are attacking an argument they never made.

If you think I am "black" and Kovale thinks I'm "white," and you guys argue about it for 10 pages, that won't bring you any closer to a consensus that black people and white people are equal. You'll just be arguing about what race I am instead of looking at what it takes for different races to get along.

Good thing my intentions then wherent even to discuss the social ramifications of race and such, nor how to ‘fix’ racism, which imho is along the lines of like trying to fix any prejudice or problem of our species. But since you seem to have no wish but to attack me instead, onto my block list you go...

[Sovaal]

I wish i knew more of mah family's heritage.I know my father is descendant of spanish peeps.

It'd be nice if my ancestry was Moorish.
Or Fulani or Hausa, they founded the Sokoto Caliphate ^w^
But really, I'm greatful for (almost) any heritage I have

Eh, I really don’t give a shot about my ‘heritage’. I mean it’s cool and all but I feel that people put to much stock in it.

[Oil exporting People]

A quick glance over at the human evolution wiki page says light skin evolved 10-20,000 years ago so I'd say this guy fits pretty well in the closer estimates. I'm certainly not shocked he was dark skinned but it's always cool to learn more about ye olde humans.

Honestly, this is why I don't understand why this is a news item; that light skin didn't develop until about that time was already known.

[Fartsniffage]

A quick glance over at the human evolution wiki page says light skin evolved 10-20,000 years ago so I'd say this guy fits pretty well in the closer estimates. I'm certainly not shocked he was dark skinned but it's always cool to learn more about ye olde humans.

Honestly, this is why I don't understand why this is a news item; that light skin didn't develop until about that time was already known.

It was assumed. This makes it more certain.

[Oil exporting People]

It was assumed. This makes it more certain.

Given that Africa has been assumed to be the origin point (Though there is emerging evidence against this theory) of humanity for a long time, this was already certain. Honestly, I feel like the only reason this is getting attention is so the BBC can deflect criticism about Blackwashing British history.

[Sovaal]

It was assumed. This makes it more certain.

Given that Africa has been assumed to be the origin point (Though there is emerging evidence against this theory) of humanity for a long time, this was already certain. Honestly, I feel like the only reason this is getting attention is so the BBC can deflect criticism about Blackwashing British history.

A little of column “ha, take that alt-right racists!1!1!” and column “the liberals commit of white genocide!1!1”.

[Salandriagado]

It was assumed. This makes it more certain.

Given that Africa has been assumed to be the origin point (Though there is emerging evidence against this theory) of humanity for a long time, this was already certain. Honestly, I feel like the only reason this is getting attention is so the BBC can deflect criticism about Blackwashing British history.

The error bounds were crazy wide before. This helps to narrow them.

[Fartsniffage]

It was assumed. This makes it more certain.

Given that Africa has been assumed to be the origin point (Though there is emerging evidence against this theory) of humanity for a long time, this was already certain. Honestly, I feel like the only reason this is getting attention is so the BBC can deflect criticism about Blackwashing British history.

Again, it was assumed. Data points in history are a good thing. It makes things more certain. Tomorrow this data point might be in dispute due to a different scientific discovery and that makes it even better.

[Luminesa]

Here’s a little thing regarding the classification of life;

Life doesn’t separate itself into neat little boxes, that’s us, and guess why, they don’t fit perfectly. You can shove you fingers in your ears and sing ‘lalala I can’t here you’ all you want but that doesn’t change anything. Hell, there are entire ethnic groups that have come about from the mixing of ‘races’, the Berbers come to mind.

Most populations of people look the same and are sizable instead of being few in number, people generally speaking don't look completely random, that is partially why this world is divided into nation states, because there is usually a physically distinguishable demographic base for each country that exists. So I'm comfortable in seeing race as a valid method by which to sort people.

Personal anecdote from me, but long story short- there is this Filipina woman I truly got along with a few years back, she had the looks and the personality, but she wasn't White like I am. Was still so physically attractive by Asian standards and was so charming. She liked me for a short period of time, she told me as much; but I laughed it off and got her to look else where. I let her down so gently, was truly a work of art in my view. I suggested that she find a Filipino man but whether she took my advice or not, I can't say.

Race mixing isn't what I condone and isn't what I'm about, so I don't think on what could've been. I just know that I did the right thing. I couldn't do something so profoundly evil and cruel as to help bring any mixed race child into this world. Even if I might've found more personal happiness in reciprocating her feelings and giving that relationship a chance.

She is out of my life and has presumably moved onto better things. I'm all alone now with no new prospects at all as of late. But there isn't a single doubt in my mind, that I chose wrongly. I don't give into temptations, I've always done my best to do what is best long term and live by my convictions.

Don’t exactly see what’s so “cruel and profoundly evil” about this:

https://www.today.com/parents/rare-bira ... om-t107380

Or this:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/ho ... rn-4145688

Taking pride in being a heartbreaker is more of a sign of your personal arrogance than any sort of virtue. And given said attitude toward dating, I’d be surprised if you found any white girl even who’d want to give you a go, even. You had a girl who loved you and you took pride in letting her down, and then you have a crippling fear of bringing into the world a child who doesn’t look like you? I’d say your greatest temptation is your pride and your vanity, and contrary to your claims, you’ve very much given into them.

[Ifreann]

Does it really matter if some dead bugger from thousands of years ago lived on the GLORIOUS British Isles and had misfortune of not being able to hide in the snow?

The only people that I think would be interested in this are people looking for obscure facts out of boredom and racists. Who gives a shit if some ancient dude or dudes were black? They're not around anymore, who gives a shit about their skin?

Everyone who wishes to know about us, the human peoples of the Earth, and why we do how we do.

[Berdan]

It's bit misleading to say that they were black, given that this was 30,000 years ago and genetic distances between the modern races we'd call Germanic and Sub-Saharan African were much smaller than they are today.

Also, if I recall, Neanderthals were living in Britain well before the Chedder Man, and they were human as well.

Neanderthals werent human tho. They were really similar, but "Human" generally refers to Homo-Sapiens specifically.

It'd be nice if my ancestry was Moorish.
Or Fulani or Hausa, they founded the Sokoto Caliphate ^w^
But really, I'm greatful for (almost) any heritage I have

I'd be damn happy to have an noble heritage or have someone important enough to get a wikipedia page was my ancestor.But same for me,i'm happy for any heritage i have.

Step 1: Be genetically/ethnically Irish, hold a name that is the the Americanized version of an old Irish Clan
Step 2: Stand out in the town square and shout "Fuck y'all, my ancestors were the rulers of the Kingdom of Éile!"
Step 3: Behead your token English friend

[Cetacea]

Ridiculous, what we call "black" are the modern descendants of humans native to Sub Saharan Africa constantly meaning the individual in the scientific study is not a "black" person as he is not one of their common ancestors since they would only thrive in Africa. Now before you morons go BUT BUT HES DARK SKINNED. So what? Tens of thousands of years ago all humans had dark skin but were also different races at the same time. Many people believe that Australian Aboriginals are black people wrong they are a fourth race of humans that were once widespread through tropical Asia. The dark skin of Indian people is caused by mixing with these ancient brown humans of South India with fair skinned humans of North India. Now now those fair skinned indians are not white people, white people is another term for Modern European human it has nothing to do with skin color as Japanese humans have much paler white skin than Europeans who are more pinkish white in coloration.

You do realise that just because you think Black only refers to Africans doesn't mean its actually so right

Australian Aboriginals often refer to themselves as black-fellas, so if they embrace their blackness who are you to say they are not?

(anecdote time, when I was teaching we had a grooup of Ingura students from Groote Eylandt (Northern Territory) come visit. The school has a high Polynesian population so we tended to think of ourselves as Brown people. The Ingura however referred to us as being White as from their perspective we were very very fairskinned.

also a slight aside when Polynesians first meet Europeans they referred to Europeans as being Red (not White))

anyway - the point is
A) NOTHING in my OP referred to Cheddar being African just that his Skin was Dark to Black
B) how You define Black is entirely irrelevant
C) Nothing about Black, White or Red is absolute - its All perspective

[Alvecia]

It's bit misleading to say that they were black, given that this was 30,000 years ago and genetic distances between the modern races we'd call Germanic and Sub-Saharan African were much smaller than they are today.

Also, if I recall, Neanderthals were living in Britain well before the Chedder Man, and they were human as well.

Neanderthals werent human tho. They were really similar, but "Human" generally refers to Homo-Sapiens specifically.

Not quite. Human technically can refer to any species of the genus homo, of which homo neanderthalensis was one.
"Modern humans" more specifically refers to us, homo sapiens

[Dahon]

Just dropping by for 2 reasons:

1) Really enjoying Saiwania breaking down as he contemplates the sort of info that should make nonsense of his bigoted worldview; and
2) By Madokami, this shit is pointless -- save for the bigots screaming "THIS PROVES NOTHING!!!" and the SJWs screaming "THIS IS A FUCKING STICK, RACISTS!!!"

Mind you guys get a room already? Foe yay is awesome.

[Dahon]

Here’s a little thing regarding the classification of life;

Life doesn’t separate itself into neat little boxes, that’s us, and guess why, they don’t fit perfectly. You can shove you fingers in your ears and sing ‘lalala I can’t here you’ all you want but that doesn’t change anything. Hell, there are entire ethnic groups that have come about from the mixing of ‘races’, the Berbers come to mind.

Most populations of people look the same and are sizable instead of being few in number, people generally speaking don't look completely random, that is partially why this world is divided into nation states, because there is usually a physically distinguishable demographic base for each country that exists. So I'm comfortable in seeing race as a valid method by which to sort people.

Personal anecdote from me, but long story short- there is this Filipina woman I truly got along with a few years back, she had the looks and the personality, but she wasn't White like I am. Was still so physically attractive by Asian standards and was so charming. She liked me for a short period of time, she told me as much; but I laughed it off and got her to look else where. I let her down so gently, was truly a work of art in my view. I suggested that she find a Filipino man but whether she took my advice or not, I can't say.

Race mixing isn't what I condone and isn't what I'm about, so I don't think on what could've been. I just know that I did the right thing. I couldn't do something so profoundly evil and cruel as to help bring any mixed race child into this world. Even if I might've found more personal happiness in reciprocating her feelings and giving that relationship a chance.

She is out of my life and has presumably moved onto better things. I'm all alone now with no new prospects at all as of late. But there isn't a single doubt in my mind, that I chose wrongly. I don't give into temptations, I've always done my best to do what is best long term and live by my convictions.

Boo fucking boo, ain't that a shitty sob story.

You do know modern-day Pinoys are products of this great evil called miscegenation, right? I for one have Spanish, American, and Chinese ancestors (in addition to being native), and that's only in the last 150 years.

So here's your bogeyman: a mixed-race dude, all grown up.

What do you think of me?

[Thervingia]

Most populations of people look the same and are sizable instead of being few in number, people generally speaking don't look completely random, that is partially why this world is divided into nation states, because there is usually a physically distinguishable demographic base for each country that exists. So I'm comfortable in seeing race as a valid method by which to sort people.

Personal anecdote from me, but long story short- there is this Filipina woman I truly got along with a few years back, she had the looks and the personality, but she wasn't White like I am. Was still so physically attractive by Asian standards and was so charming. She liked me for a short period of time, she told me as much; but I laughed it off and got her to look else where. I let her down so gently, was truly a work of art in my view. I suggested that she find a Filipino man but whether she took my advice or not, I can't say.

Race mixing isn't what I condone and isn't what I'm about, so I don't think on what could've been. I just know that I did the right thing. I couldn't do something so profoundly evil and cruel as to help bring any mixed race child into this world. Even if I might've found more personal happiness in reciprocating her feelings and giving that relationship a chance.

She is out of my life and has presumably moved onto better things. I'm all alone now with no new prospects at all as of late. But there isn't a single doubt in my mind, that I chose wrongly. I don't give into temptations, I've always done my best to do what is best long term and live by my convictions.

Boo fucking boo, ain't that a shitty sob story.

You do know modern-day Pinoys are products of this great evil called miscegenation, right? I for one have Spanish, American, and Chinese ancestors (in addition to being native), and that's only in the last 150 years.

So here's your bogeyman: a mixed-race dude, all grown up.

What do you think of me?

People like Saiwania think that us mongrels should be sterilised. If they could, they'd probably advocate for our deaths, but you know, civilised society and all.

[Kenmoria]

It's bit misleading to say that they were black, given that this was 30,000 years ago and genetic distances between the modern races we'd call Germanic and Sub-Saharan African were much smaller than they are today.

Also, if I recall, Neanderthals were living in Britain well before the Chedder Man, and they were human as well.

Not completely, modern humans are homo sapiens whereas Neanderthals are homo neanderthalis, which are two different species.

[Saiwania]

You do know modern-day Pinoys are products of this great evil called miscegenation, right? I for one have Spanish, American, and Chinese ancestors (in addition to being native), and that's only in the last 150 years.

So here's your bogeyman: a mixed-race dude, all grown up.
What do you think of me?

I'm aware of the history of the Philippines. A bunch of Spanish conquistadors basically raped a ton of native women, the Spanish got kicked out by the Americans after 1898 and the American occupiers proceeded to fuck the Filipina women, but not to the same extent as the Spanish did, they suffered a Japanese occupation but got liberated during WW2 and obtained independence soon after.

Even though the people of the Philippines got bloodline pollution from the Spanish and partially from the Americans, I'd expect that a majority of the population if not at least a small portion, would've remained sufficiently native in terms of bloodline as to not be affected by either the Spanish or the Americans. Even though some of the damage can't be undone, what matters is that the Philippines has recovered and is able to move on from what happened, in spite of it; they've developed a culture of pride and beauty.

It is not that I hate or fear mixed race people, it is more that I pity them. It is always better to have a clearly defined race to belong to. I have a White father, I have a White mother. I am White. There isn't a single question or hint of ambiguity because it is so clear cut in my case. That is the ideal norm, to match the race of both your parents, it is how it ought to be. If you're mixed, if you have parents from different races, that is quite a problem in my view. It is rocking the boat.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You do know modern-day Pinoys are products of this great evil called miscegenation, right? I for one have Spanish, American, and Chinese ancestors (in addition to being native), and that's only in the last 150 years.

So here's your bogeyman: a mixed-race dude, all grown up.
What do you think of me?

I'm aware of the history of the Philippines. A bunch of Spanish conquistadors basically raped a ton of native women, the Spanish got kicked out by the Americans after 1898 and the American occupiers proceeded to fuck the Filipina women, but not to the same extent as the Spanish did, they suffered a Japanese occupation but got liberated during WW2 and obtained independence soon after.

Even though the people of the Philippines got bloodline pollution from the Spanish and partially from the Americans, I'd expect that a majority of the population if not at least a small portion, would've remained sufficiently native in terms of bloodline as to not be affected by either the Spanish or the Americans. Even though some of the damage can't be undone, what matters is that the Philippines has recovered and is able to move on from what happened, in spite of it; they've developed a culture of pride and beauty.

It is not that I hate or fear mixed race people, it is more that I pity them. It is always better to have a clearly defined race to belong to. I have a White father, I have a White mother. I am White. There isn't a single question or hint of ambiguity because it is so clear cut in my case. That is the ideal norm, to match the race of both your parents, it is how it ought to be. If you're mixed, if you have parents from different races, that is quite a problem in my view. It is rocking the boat.

There's literally nothing to gain from having a clearly defined race. You're just a racist and want to feel superior so you keep parroting this nonsense.

[Saiwania]

There's literally nothing to gain from having a clearly defined race. You're just a racist and want to feel superior so you keep parroting this nonsense.

What you gain from falling within one of the primary racial groups is social acceptance, there is no confusion in that scenario- everyone knows more or less how you should be treated and it is much easier to conform to the ethnic identity you were born into. In that regard, it is like the caste system; only better in that your genetic lineage can change between descendants down the line.

[Salus Maior]

It is not that I hate or fear mixed race people, it is more that I pity them. It is always better to have a clearly defined race to belong to. I have a White father, I have a White mother. I am White. There isn't a single question or hint of ambiguity because it is so clear cut in my case. That is the ideal norm, to match the race of both your parents, it is how it ought to be. If you're mixed, if you have parents from different races, that is quite a problem in my view. It is rocking the boat.

And that's your completely subjective view of the world. And not one that's very well rooted in history either.

[Salandriagado]

There's literally nothing to gain from having a clearly defined race. You're just a racist and want to feel superior so you keep parroting this nonsense.

What you gain from falling within one of the primary racial groups is social acceptance, there is no confusion in that scenario- everyone knows more or less how you should be treated and it is much easier to conform to the ethnic identity you were born into. In that regard, it is like the caste system; only better in that your genetic lineage can change between descendants down the line.

The only people whose acceptance is conditional on race are people that neither I, nor anybody with half a brain, gives a single flying fuck about the opinions of.

[Foxiford]

As the world was created ca. 6.000 years ago, the "Out of Africa theory" is nonsense, including the assumptions by the OP. Those who think for themselves, ask immediately how can they know what his/her skin color was if they only have their skeleton. It's similar to like they talk about Dinosaur skeletons. It's liberal propaganda.

Proof? If you think science lies for the "liberals" stop using tech because science made that too.

"If you doubt anything a scientist says because the scientist has a vested bias you might as well just burn your iphone lol" Let me know which genetic scientist invented the iphone or the computer chip

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There's literally nothing to gain from having a clearly defined race. You're just a racist and want to feel superior so you keep parroting this nonsense.

What you gain from falling within one of the primary racial groups is social acceptance, there is no confusion in that scenario- everyone knows more or less how you should be treated and it is much easier to conform to the ethnic identity you were born into. In that regard, it is like the caste system; only better in that your genetic lineage can change between descendants down the line.

That's because many people live in a society still suffering from racism. That needs to be let go.