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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:27 pm

You live in a future where law enforcement is potentially obsolete.

An Automatic System is in place. The System instantly and automatically detects anyone who commits a crime... and instantaneously executes/deletes them as part of a regular cycle. The System refreshes every 24 hours... during which it will without fail, detect all wrongdoers, and delete them in one movement. On the streets, people go about their lives... but when the clock strikes a certain time during the night, some people all over the world instantly die of heart attacks (the criminals).

Because this System is in place, there are no more criminal courts and there are no more policemen. Law makers have the power of life and death in many matters by deciding, within the constitution, what falls or doesn't fall into the criminal jurisdiction (and hence, whether or not its regulated by the Automatic System). As can be expected, under such a System, crime is an all time low.

As a clarification, the System only deletes people for felonies and not for minor criminal or regulatory offences. At any point in time, the System ignores any laws that are blatantly unconstitutional, whether or not an existing court has made a ruling on it or not. The System will also, at all times, take into account judicial interpretation of laws.

Assume that the laws that are in place, are similar to the laws that are currently in place in most liberal USA states. "Felonies" (that the System polices) includes ONLY crimes where there is a clear victim (with the exception of drug related offences such as possession which ARE enforced). Merely technical "felonies" that exist in the book or "felonies" in which there are no victims are not enforced. That is to say, just because an obscure rule somewhere says something is a felony does not necessary mean it is System enforced.

One day you stand in a unique place in the world. You have the option to permanently disable the Automatic System. You only have this moment to decide and your decision is permanent... do you do it or do you not do it? Why? Explain your reasoning.

I would not disable the System. To do so would be to oppose Justice and Law and Order and bring back the outdated present-day system emphasising formalistic lawyering of evidence. The System works, to the extent that it reduces crime and without fail deletes criminals (and without the need to endanger policemen) and so to that extent, its benefits outweigh its cons. The people may live in fear, but only criminals should be afraid. Society as a whole should be safer and more productive, so long as people obey the law (and if they don't, they will be gone).
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:33 pm

Is it executing people for parking tickets and things or only serious crimes? Cos if it's executing people for parking tickets, then definitely disable it.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:35 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Is it executing people for parking tickets and things or only serious crimes? Cos if it's executing people for parking tickets, then definitely disable it.


I was intending for it to only operate to delete criminals for felonies. I have added a clarification.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:38 pm

It is now illegal to openly disagree with the government, punishable by one year and one day. Best adjust that attitude by midnight.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:42 pm

Des-Bal wrote:It is now illegal to openly disagree with the government, punishable by one year and one day. Best adjust that attitude by midnight.


Is it constitutional though?

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:42 pm

Des-Bal wrote:It is now illegal to openly disagree with the government, punishable by one year and one day. Best adjust that attitude by midnight.


Yeah, this is way too open for abuse.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:43 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:It is now illegal to openly disagree with the government, punishable by one year and one day. Best adjust that attitude by midnight.


Yeah, this is way too open for abuse.


From the OP:

Law makers have the power of life and death in many matters by deciding, within the constitution, what falls or doesn't fall into the criminal jurisdiction (and hence, whether or not its regulated by the Automatic System).


Assume that the laws that are in place, are similar to the laws that are currently in place in most liberal USA states.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Yeah, this is way too open for abuse.


From the OP:

Law makers have the power of life and death in many matters by deciding, within the constitution, what falls or doesn't fall into the criminal jurisdiction (and hence, whether or not its regulated by the Automatic System).


Assume that the laws that are in place, are similar to the laws that are currently in place in most liberal USA states.


Oh.. within the constitution.. well that's an iron cast guarantee that no abuse will occur.. *summons 90's*.. NOT!
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:49 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
From the OP:





Oh.. within the constitution.. well that's an iron cast guarantee that no abuse will occur.. *summons 90's*.. NOT!


You don't trust the United States Constitution? Don't people love the Constitution on this forum?

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:51 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Oh.. within the constitution.. well that's an iron cast guarantee that no abuse will occur.. *summons 90's*.. NOT!


You don't trust the United States Constitution? Don't people love the Constitution on this forum?


Technically this very system falls outside the Constitution already given due process, so if it's changed enough for that then we're implicitly accepting it can be changed for other things. It's not the Constitution I don't trust per se, it's people who could seriously abuse this.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:54 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
You don't trust the United States Constitution? Don't people love the Constitution on this forum?


Technically this very system falls outside the Constitution already given due process, so if it's changed enough for that then we're implicitly accepting it can be changed for other things. It's not the Constitution I don't trust per se, it's people who could seriously abuse this.


The System itself falls outside of the Constitution but its operating condition are that the laws that it does enforce are themselves Constitutional.

Its an Unconstitutional enforcer of Constitutional principles and laws that are Constitutional if that makes sense.

So if the lawmakers were to make a law that created felonies that were clearly unconstitutional, it wouldn't trigger the System.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:It is now illegal to openly disagree with the government, punishable by one year and one day. Best adjust that attitude by midnight.


Is it constitutional though?

You're now on the list.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:55 pm

Supreme court signed off on it, totally cool with the constitution.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:56 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Its an Unconstitutional enforcer of Constitutional principles and laws..


*executes itself*
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:58 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Its an Unconstitutional enforcer of Constitutional principles and laws..


*executes itself*


Its System, not a person.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:59 pm

Des-Bal wrote:Supreme court signed off on it, totally cool with the constitution.


Supreme Court is probably not very pleased with the day the System came into being but seems to have made no further rulings on its Constitutionality since its not technically a Law.

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Postby Victoriaans Nederlands » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:04 pm

I'm definitely probably going to disable it.

I am not justifying crimes, but what about those that have fallen on hard times, and did small-time robberies for his or her family? Yeah, a good week or month in jail will sort them up, or heck, rehabilitation or re-education systems can work to bring them back to the working life. But to erase them from existence for robbing? No.

Or better yet, what if someone managed to hack into it? Sure, the hacker will probably die after the System detects that it was hacked, but what if no one noticed it?

At the same time, after reading the OP's opinion... it seems viable if the System is maintained and lawmakers have an integrity to make laws that just don't benefit them.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:10 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Supreme Court is probably not very pleased with the day the System came into being but seems to have made no further rulings on its Constitutionality since its not technically a Law.


They ruled on the law that forbid disagreeing with the government. It's constitutional.


Victoriaans Nederlands wrote:I'm definitely probably going to disable it.

I am not justifying crimes, but what about those that have fallen on hard times, and did small-time robberies for his or her family? Yeah, a good week or month in jail will sort them up, or heck, rehabilitation or re-education systems can work to bring them back to the working life. But to erase them from existence for robbing? No.

Or better yet, what if someone managed to hack into it? Sure, the hacker will probably die after the System detects that it was hacked, but what if no one noticed it?

At the same time, after reading the OP's opinion... it seems viable if the System is maintained and lawmakers have an integrity to make laws that just don't benefit them.


What if they make laws that benefit them by disproportionately targeting gay people who they legitimately believe with all their integrity are a threat to children?

We don't live in a world where everyone is well-intentioned, we don't live in a world where it would matter if they were, and we most certainly don't live in a world where where the death penalty as a mandatory minimum sentence for EVERY felony is even sort of okay.
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Postby Victoriaans Nederlands » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:14 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
What if they make laws that benefit them by disproportionately targeting gay people who they legitimately believe with all their integrity are a threat to children?

We don't live in a world where everyone is well-intentioned, we don't live in a world where it would matter if they were, and we most certainly don't live in a world where where the death penalty as a mandatory minimum sentence for EVERY felony is even sort of okay.


Ok, that got me thinking a lot more... Goodness knows what will happen if that is true. Take religion or race, actually... Any kind of racial slurs, or simply practicing a religion, can be wrote off as a serious crime.

And yeah, every felon doesn't a death penalty. Some were just in unfortunate places and time, apart from psychopaths and sociopaths.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:18 pm

No. Though personally I am a strong lover for courts and due process and the like but so long as the law remains just honestly this doesn't seem so bad. A society of complete law and order where chaos and anarchy is kept potentially permanently at bay; Is that not utopia or close to it?

I would keep it. Though I would personally prefer if such a system only applied to high crimes(Murder,Rape,Child-Abuse,Smuggling) rather than all felonies. Still It appeals to my lawful-neutral sensibilities. I would argue courts should still be maintained for the aforementioned misdemeanors though, said courts will also be useful for determining what gets to become a felony and what does not. Just some mullings to improve it.
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Postby The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:33 pm

If human lawmakers are involved, it's best to substitute death with epileptic seizures - haul them in for further questioning and sentencing. This prevents exploitation by those in power, as well as the public (self-initiated suicides, eg. charging at police with a 10-inch knife.)

Answer: disable, as the system is flawed.

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Postby Senkaku » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:32 am

No thanks, I don't really want to be executed for going a mile over the speed limit or jaywalking or some shit.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:34 am

Senkaku wrote:No thanks, I don't really want to be executed for going a mile over the speed limit or jaywalking or some shit.


are those things felonies though?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:36 am

The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:If human lawmakers are involved, it's best to substitute death with epileptic seizures - haul them in for further questioning and sentencing. This prevents exploitation by those in power, as well as the public (self-initiated suicides, eg. charging at police with a 10-inch knife.)

Answer: disable, as the system is flawed.

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It definitely isn't perfect. Its definitely flawed (ex not all felonies deserve the capital punishment). However, the issue is whether or not its better than what we have now and whether or not its flaws warrant (in your view) a disable (and hence a return to what we have now, which is a bunch of cops and courts trying to sort everything out imperfectly).

For instance, under the current system it takes months catch any given serial killer (perhaps some are never caught). At any point in time authorities estimate there's a dozen+ active serial killers in the USA. This System would shut that down much faster.

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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:43 am

Yeah, it is inspired by Death Note, though more realistic with technology instead of the supernatural

But wait, if it can execute anyone, does that mean on your world, people will be fitted with an implant that acts like a tag that is programmed to track people and kill anyone who commits a serious crime at certain time, by the use of either shock to the heart or toxin.

And how about the body disposal?
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