F1 to no longer feature "grid girls"

[Proctopeo]

I, for one, will continue to play Gran Turismo and Forza.

Sports games are for casuals.

Mario Kart can get really intense sometimes.

Especially if you're an Italian-American who streams video games on Twitch.

[Petrolheadia]

I, for one, will continue to play Gran Turismo and Forza.

Sports games are for casuals.

Everybody says that, but then it's time to race a muscle car in snow with no assists...

[Costa Fierro]

People still watch car races?

Fuck yes. I've been trying to watch the latest series of V8 Supercars for the last few years since they opened up the series to other manufacturers. Now that they've opened the series up to different body styles and engines, it's going to be even more interesting.

[Phoenicaea]

People still watch car races?

/quote]

a suggestion, not Europeans, if you don t get into, you may try to watch Formula One. it s quite different from your series, you may get loving.

Formula One is different, it is above other series: it is the only true best, ultimate, highest class. not a kind of race, it is the race instead

[Petrolheadia]

/quote]

a suggestion, not Europeans, if you don t get into, you may try to watch Formula One. it s quite different from your series, you may get loving.

Formula One is different, it is above other series: it is the only true best, ultimate, highest class. not a kind of race, it is the race instead

For me, it's part of my childhood.

Specifically, the part where some guys in cars nobody can afford whizz around the TV screen while I'm doing more interesting stuff.

[The Two Jerseys]

/quote]

a suggestion, not Europeans, if you don t get into, you may try to watch Formula One. it s quite different from your series, you may get loving.

Formula One is different, it is above other series: it is the only true best, ultimate, highest class. not a kind of race, it is the race instead

It's a drag race followed by a 70-lap parade.

[Benuty]

Sports games are for casuals.

Games are for casuals.

Not really only in games can you enjoy genocide in strategy games without being summoned to a war crimes trial if you lose. Hell Crusader Kings 2 has a mod that gives actual gravity to the situation of slavery unlike Victoria II, and its somewhat lame system. So no I wouldn't exactly call them casual at all.

[Salandriagado]

/quote]

a suggestion, not Europeans, if you don t get into, you may try to watch Formula One. it s quite different from your series, you may get loving.

Formula One is different, it is above other series: it is the only true best, ultimate, highest class. not a kind of race, it is the race instead

It's a drag race followed by a 70-lap parade.

Except literally not.

[Donut section]

Games are for casuals.

Not really only in games can you enjoy genocide in strategy games without being summoned to a war crimes trial if you lose. Snip.

Exactly. Casuals.

[SD_Film Artists]

half-naked and silent women to the enjoyment of the male gaze

If anything, I would've thought that the male gays would be the last people to be interested in half-naked women.

What's funny is that I'm tired of people trying to deconstruct gender roles if we were meant to not have genders then why are their males and females. Plus some jobs are simply made for /better suited toward females then males plain and simple.

Deconstructing gender roles is a good thing; the only problem I have is that people are happy to have some gender roles but not others. For example, people rightly complain about unrealistic female body images and dominant images of men, yet at the same time they're happy to condone domestic abuse in '50 Shades of Grey' for no better reason than that the man is rich and physically attractive.

[Sovaal]

Sports games are for casuals.

Games are for casuals.

Real pros use VR sex dolls.

[Genivaria]

Games are for casuals.

Real pros use VR sex dolls.

[Chessmistress]

A new article that is relevant to the issue we're discussing here
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/ ... ist-icons/

Excerpt

This is an important step, and the pressure to remove grid girls shows shifting corporate and social attitudes to the acceptability of using women as pornified props. No doubt we can thank the rising visibility of feminist activism and movements like #metoo, for highlighting sexual harassment and hurrying this shift along. But there is a startling hypocrisy at the heart of mainstream criticism of the grid girl, and the cheering that has greeted her demise.

Take the Melbourne Grand Prix in Australia. It’s held in the “pimp state” of Victoria, which has one of the most established systems of legalized brothel prostitution anywhere in the world. Indeed, the Grand Prix is frequently reported to be one of the busiest times of year for licensed brothels. It is therefore completely duplicitous for MPs, in this context, to decry the sexual objectification of women in motorsports, whilst continuing to normalize an industry that requires the sexual objectification of women in order to function.

This hypocrisy has been mirrored elsewhere. Some prominent feminist commentators hailing the end of grid girls as a victory for women and girls are the very same people who champion individual women’s choices when it comes to “sex work.” Some who go so far as to claim it is unfeminist to critique stripping, are now saying that women standing around and looking pretty is a passé notion.

They are are so close to joining the dots, and yet, so far.

The reality is, if you can’t extend the logic of grid-girls-as-harmful to prostitution-as-harmful, then you must believe that there is a particular group of women who are somehow different, who thrive under conditions of inequality, enjoy sexual harassment, or deserve abuse.

Those who condemn grid girls, but stay silent on the harms of “sex work,” should stop pretending they care about women’s liberation; all they are really celebrating with this change is the ability of a car race to protect its “family friendly” brand.

[Topoliani]

A new article that is relevant to the issue we're discussing here
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/ ... ist-icons/

Excerpt

This is an important step, and the pressure to remove grid girls shows shifting corporate and social attitudes to the acceptability of using women as pornified props. No doubt we can thank the rising visibility of feminist activism and movements like #metoo, for highlighting sexual harassment and hurrying this shift along. But there is a startling hypocrisy at the heart of mainstream criticism of the grid girl, and the cheering that has greeted her demise.

Take the Melbourne Grand Prix in Australia. It’s held in the “pimp state” of Victoria, which has one of the most established systems of legalized brothel prostitution anywhere in the world. Indeed, the Grand Prix is frequently reported to be one of the busiest times of year for licensed brothels. It is therefore completely duplicitous for MPs, in this context, to decry the sexual objectification of women in motorsports, whilst continuing to normalize an industry that requires the sexual objectification of women in order to function.

This hypocrisy has been mirrored elsewhere. Some prominent feminist commentators hailing the end of grid girls as a victory for women and girls are the very same people who champion individual women’s choices when it comes to “sex work.” Some who go so far as to claim it is unfeminist to critique stripping, are now saying that women standing around and looking pretty is a passé notion.

They are are so close to joining the dots, and yet, so far.

The reality is, if you can’t extend the logic of grid-girls-as-harmful to prostitution-as-harmful, then you must believe that there is a particular group of women who are somehow different, who thrive under conditions of inequality, enjoy sexual harassment, or deserve abuse.

Those who condemn grid girls, but stay silent on the harms of “sex work,” should stop pretending they care about women’s liberation; all they are really celebrating with this change is the ability of a car race to protect its “family friendly” brand.

Relevant? yes. Good, Useful, and logical? No

[Internationalist Bastard]

A new article that is relevant to the issue we're discussing here
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/ ... ist-icons/

Excerpt

This is an important step, and the pressure to remove grid girls shows shifting corporate and social attitudes to the acceptability of using women as pornified props. No doubt we can thank the rising visibility of feminist activism and movements like #metoo, for highlighting sexual harassment and hurrying this shift along. But there is a startling hypocrisy at the heart of mainstream criticism of the grid girl, and the cheering that has greeted her demise.

Take the Melbourne Grand Prix in Australia. It’s held in the “pimp state” of Victoria, which has one of the most established systems of legalized brothel prostitution anywhere in the world. Indeed, the Grand Prix is frequently reported to be one of the busiest times of year for licensed brothels. It is therefore completely duplicitous for MPs, in this context, to decry the sexual objectification of women in motorsports, whilst continuing to normalize an industry that requires the sexual objectification of women in order to function.

This hypocrisy has been mirrored elsewhere. Some prominent feminist commentators hailing the end of grid girls as a victory for women and girls are the very same people who champion individual women’s choices when it comes to “sex work.” Some who go so far as to claim it is unfeminist to critique stripping, are now saying that women standing around and looking pretty is a passé notion.

They are are so close to joining the dots, and yet, so far.

The reality is, if you can’t extend the logic of grid-girls-as-harmful to prostitution-as-harmful, then you must believe that there is a particular group of women who are somehow different, who thrive under conditions of inequality, enjoy sexual harassment, or deserve abuse.

Those who condemn grid girls, but stay silent on the harms of “sex work,” should stop pretending they care about women’s liberation; all they are really celebrating with this change is the ability of a car race to protect its “family friendly” brand.

I’m glad you know you write for something

[Chessmistress]

A new article that is relevant to the issue we're discussing here
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/ ... ist-icons/

Excerpt

Relevant? yes. Good, Useful, and logical? No

Why?
It's perfectly logical.
Dehumanization of women by presenting us as objects meant to reward men (grid girls) and a much worse dehumanization of women by selling our bodies: that is actually the same issue.

I’m glad you know you write for something

Meaning of that?

[Petrasylvania]

half-naked and silent women to the enjoyment of the male gaze

If anything, I would've thought that the male gays would be the last people to be interested in half-naked women.

According to the straw feminists gay men exist solely to simulate submissive female roles.

[Topoliani]

Dehumanization of women by presenting us as objects meant to reward men (grid girls) and a much worse dehumanization of women by selling our bodies: that is actually the same issue

Again, where does it say in fine print that grid girls are rewards, even figuratively? They are there to build up hype. Just like, oh I don't know, Marching bands? Cheerleaders? The fat drunk guy who runs in the field naked?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Dehumanization of women by presenting us as objects meant to reward men (grid girls) and a much worse dehumanization of women by selling our bodies: that is actually the same issue

Again, where does it say in fine print that grid girls are rewards, even figuratively? They are there to build up hype. Just like, oh I don't know, Marching bands? Cheerleaders? The fat drunk guy who runs in the field naked?

To be fair, they wouldn't need to be grid "girls" if the vagina wasn't at least somewhat relevant.

[Petrasylvania]

Again, where does it say in fine print that grid girls are rewards, even figuratively? They are there to build up hype. Just like, oh I don't know, Marching bands? Cheerleaders? The fat drunk guy who runs in the field naked?

To be fair, they wouldn't need to be grid "girls" if the vagina wasn't at least somewhat relevant.

Then according to straw feminists it would just be men simulating female submission because gender infiltrators are bad.

[Greed and Death]

Sports games are for casuals.

Mario Kart can get really intense sometimes.

Especially if you're an Italian-American who streams video games on Twitch.

Especially as the next addition of Mario cart is adding Grid girls.

[Ors Might]

To be fair, they wouldn't need to be grid "girls" if the vagina wasn't at least somewhat relevant.

Then according to straw feminists it would just be men simulating female submission because gender infiltrators are bad.

CM’s brand of feminism does seem to be weirdly traditionalist. Is it possible to be so progressive that you loop right back around to advocating restrictive gender roles and policies?

[Greed and Death]

Dehumanization of women by presenting us as objects meant to reward men (grid girls) and a much worse dehumanization of women by selling our bodies: that is actually the same issue

Again, where does it say in fine print that grid girls are rewards, even figuratively? They are there to build up hype. Just like, oh I don't know, Marching bands? Cheerleaders? The fat drunk guy who runs in the field naked?

It is symbolically an award because that is the nature of male competition. Million if not billions of years of evolution have males compete for mating rights.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

To be fair, they wouldn't need to be grid "girls" if the vagina wasn't at least somewhat relevant.

Then according to straw feminists it would just be men simulating female submission because gender infiltrators are bad.

You couldn't even wait to see what they had to say before putting words in their mouths? What the hell's the matter with you?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Mario Kart can get really intense sometimes.

Especially if you're an Italian-American who streams video games on Twitch.

Especially as the next addition of Mario cart is adding Grid girls.

I always run male opponents off the track in racing games with less hesitation than female opponents.

Not out of any sense of chivalry (because seriously, fuck chivalry) because if I'm going to get my ass kicked, it better be by a girl.