Pupil seemingly expelled for reporting illegal immigrant

[Kubumba Tribe]

Because most are poor and doing their best to find a better life and to destroy their dreams is inconsiderate, sslfish, and, like Torocca said, morally depraved.

They couldn't be assed to go through the proper channels.

Says who? I'm pretty sure no one wants to work a meager job being treated less than dirt and being paid below minimum wage

Why should we hold their hands and let them do it?

Because we're humans who should feel sympathy or empathy towards another human in need.

[Donut section]

He's illegal

That means he broke the law

You should report criminals

He did the right thing

The school was wrong

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense

What report a criminal?

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense

No thanks.
How about we just add economic disincentives to illegal migration?

No, the disincentive should be on reporting illegal immigrants
Illegal immigrants should be helped to become legalized without being deported.

It should be illegal if it actually isn't.
The disincentive should be to charge them for their own deportation and time spent here. Complete prohibition against them and any family members from entering the country again.

[Prekonate]

It is illegal, just not necessarily criminal. There are many criminal offences associated with e.g. unauthorized border crossing (the "illegals" most in the minds of trumpists) and re entry after deportation. Many illegal immigrants have not committed a criminal offence because they entered the country legally and overstayed a visa. Overstaying a visa is a civil violation.

This is pedantry though. Avernian Republic clearly used the word "criminal" to refer to a someone who breaks the law. Illegal immigrants by definition have broken the law. Whether he used the word criminal imprecisely doesn't diminish his argument, it just gives critics something to mindlessly complain about instead of addressing his point.

[Des-Bal]

Well let's see, how exactly could it be that the kid who sees minorities as subhuman reporting an illegal immigrant be morally depraved in any way? Perhaps it stems from the fact that he sees minorities as subhuman and would naturally by extension see his fellow classmate as a subhuman for being a minority and an immigrant? Perhaps its from the fact that this whole report came only from a racial standpoint (because, let's not kid ourselves here, he'd never have reported the kid if he were white) rather than an actual legal standpoint? Perhaps it's from the fact that this pipe-smoking cuntburglar decided to forego any semblance of human decency and say, "y'know what? This kid's trying to get an education just like I am but he's brown and speaks a foreign language so I'm gonna report him to ICE and get him deported hahahahahaha praise kek pepe trump memes eggs dee!"?

Otherwise, I have no fucking clue how this act could possibly be morally depraved.

Big. Fucking. Deal.

If he filed the report in good faith he deserves absolutely no kind of punishment for it.

[Wallenburg]

Well let's see, how exactly could it be that the kid who sees minorities as subhuman reporting an illegal immigrant be morally depraved in any way? Perhaps it stems from the fact that he sees minorities as subhuman and would naturally by extension see his fellow classmate as a subhuman for being a minority and an immigrant? Perhaps its from the fact that this whole report came only from a racial standpoint (because, let's not kid ourselves here, he'd never have reported the kid if he were white) rather than an actual legal standpoint? Perhaps it's from the fact that this pipe-smoking cuntburglar decided to forego any semblance of human decency and say, "y'know what? This kid's trying to get an education just like I am but he's brown and speaks a foreign language so I'm gonna report him to ICE and get him deported hahahahahaha praise kek pepe trump memes eggs dee!"?

Otherwise, I have no fucking clue how this act could possibly be morally depraved.

Big. Fucking. Deal.

If he filed the report in good faith he deserves absolutely no kind of punishment for it.

He wasn't punished for reporting the kid. He was punished for the horrific things he said and did apart from the report.

[Cedoria]

Well let's see, how exactly could it be that the kid who sees minorities as subhuman reporting an illegal immigrant be morally depraved in any way? Perhaps it stems from the fact that he sees minorities as subhuman and would naturally by extension see his fellow classmate as a subhuman for being a minority and an immigrant? Perhaps its from the fact that this whole report came only from a racial standpoint (because, let's not kid ourselves here, he'd never have reported the kid if he were white) rather than an actual legal standpoint? Perhaps it's from the fact that this pipe-smoking cuntburglar decided to forego any semblance of human decency and say, "y'know what? This kid's trying to get an education just like I am but he's brown and speaks a foreign language so I'm gonna report him to ICE and get him deported hahahahahaha praise kek pepe trump memes eggs dee!"?

Otherwise, I have no fucking clue how this act could possibly be morally depraved.

Big. Fucking. Deal.

If he filed the report in good faith he deserves absolutely no kind of punishment for it.

Except the major point of the thread is that this is NOT what he was likely punished for, despite the OP's disingenuous attempt to claim the contrary...

The report itself doesn't concern me, whatever my feelings about the broader issue. The things he wrote on reddit DO concern me and should be the focus of this discussion, given their, rather disturbing content.

[Des-Bal]

Except the major point of the thread is that this is NOT what he was likely punished for, despite the OP's disingenuous attempt to claim the contrary...

The report itself doesn't concern me, whatever my feelings about the broader issue. The things he wrote on reddit DO concern me and should be the focus of this discussion, given their, rather disturbing content.

The things he said on Reddit are by and large covered by free speech. You're allowed to have unpopular ideas, you're allowed to express those ideas. I have seen exactly one post out of context that could be construed as a threat.

[Cedoria]

Threatening to torture a person doesn't justify expulsion?

Wasn't all that he did in that regard fantasizing about torturing no one specific person?

Fantasising about torture openly on the Internet is probably not that healthy, and this looks a bit like grasping at straws.

Still, it's very likely the school doesn't want to be associated with a person who makes statements like that, whether they were specific or not, especially if the demographic they service includes the types of people whom he seemed to be threatening.

They are within their rights to protect other student's safety and wellbeing if they thought he represented a credible threat. No amount of culture-war amplified whining from the right is going to change that.

[Cedoria]

Except the major point of the thread is that this is NOT what he was likely punished for, despite the OP's disingenuous attempt to claim the contrary...

The report itself doesn't concern me, whatever my feelings about the broader issue. The things he wrote on reddit DO concern me and should be the focus of this discussion, given their, rather disturbing content.

The things he said on Reddit are by and large covered by free speech. You're allowed to have unpopular ideas, you're allowed to express those ideas. I have seen exactly one post out of context that could be construed as a threat.

Expressing a wish to torture somebody is not a threat?
Yeah, not buying that, sorry. If you do buy it, then I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.

[Des-Bal]

Expressing a wish to torture somebody is not a threat?
Yeah, not buying that, sorry. If you do buy it, then I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.

Why don't you show me the exact post you're talking about and exactly why you think it's a threat.

[Wallenburg]

The things he said on Reddit are by and large covered by free speech. You're allowed to have unpopular ideas, you're allowed to express those ideas. I have seen exactly one post out of context that could be construed as a threat.

You do know that freedom of speech is more limited for public students, right? How do you think schools handle bullying, by just asking politely that students not abuse and harass other students?\

Expressing a wish to torture somebody is not a threat?
Yeah, not buying that, sorry. If you do buy it, then I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.

Why don't you show me the exact post you're talking about and exactly why you think it's a threat.

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Threats of torture and rape.

[Des-Bal]

You do know that freedom of speech is more limited for public students, right? How do you think schools handle bullying, by just asking politely that students not abuse and harass other students?

First of all harassment is not protected by free speech so you're example was terrible.


Freedom of speech is NOT so limited in public schools that simply holding or expressing unpopular ideas is disallowed. The driving force behind the limitation of the first amendment for schools is the idea that disruptive expression can be a problem for students learning. This means "shut up about politics during class" not "these ideas are forbidden until your ass is old enough to drop out."

Edit: The first link you added is not a threat. The second one is a threat but without more context it doesn't justify expulsion and more context may in fact demonstrate that it's not a threat at all.

[Cedoria]

Expressing a wish to torture somebody is not a threat?
Yeah, not buying that, sorry. If you do buy it, then I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.

Why don't you show me the exact post you're talking about and exactly why you think it's a threat.

See the ones Wallenburg posted above, they've already been linked throughout the thread in various places. If you haven't seen them, perhaps you shouldn't be presuming to tell me whether they are to be considered threatening or not.

[Cedoria]

You do know that freedom of speech is more limited for public students, right? How do you think schools handle bullying, by just asking politely that students not abuse and harass other students?

First of all harassment is not protected by free speech so you're example was terrible.


Freedom of speech is NOT so limited in public schools that simply holding or expressing unpopular ideas is disallowed. The driving force behind the limitation of the first amendment for schools is the idea that disruptive expression can be a problem for students learning. This means "shut up about politics during class" not "these ideas are forbidden until your ass is old enough to drop out."

Literally nobody has said he was expelled for expressing unpopular ideas. Threats are not 'unpopular', they are criminal. Big difference.

If you don't see that difference, you don't see that difference, but deliberately collapsing the distinction between the two in an attempt to make a bogus culture wars point is not going to go down well here.

[Pilarcraft]

First of all harassment is not protected by free speech so you're example was terrible.


Freedom of speech is NOT so limited in public schools that simply holding or expressing unpopular ideas is disallowed. The driving force behind the limitation of the first amendment for schools is the idea that disruptive expression can be a problem for students learning. This means "shut up about politics during class" not "these ideas are forbidden until your ass is old enough to drop out."

Literally nobody has said he was expelled for expressing unpopular ideas. Threats are not 'unpopular', they are criminal. Big difference.

If you don't see that difference, you don't see that difference, but deliberately collapsing the distinction between the two in an attempt to make a bogus culture wars point is not going to go down well here.

OK but I really thought thoughtcrime was a 1984 thing...

[Cedoria]

Literally nobody has said he was expelled for expressing unpopular ideas. Threats are not 'unpopular', they are criminal. Big difference.

If you don't see that difference, you don't see that difference, but deliberately collapsing the distinction between the two in an attempt to make a bogus culture wars point is not going to go down well here.

OK but I really thought thoughtcrime was a 1984 thing...

And here's a classic example of what I mean by completely missing the point and pulling a fake one out of your posterior to whine about it.

Drop the act, it's not cute, it's irritating as hell. Either attack what i actually said, or don't make a point. Pretty simple. Irrelevant tangents and glib sloganeering does not impress me.

[Des-Bal]

Literally nobody has said he was expelled for expressing unpopular ideas. Threats are not 'unpopular', they are criminal. Big difference.

If you don't see that difference, you don't see that difference, but deliberately collapsing the distinction between the two in an attempt to make a bogus culture wars point is not going to go down well here.

I've drawn a clear line. The overwhelming majority of his conduct is totally undeserving of punishment by the school. There is exactly one reddit post that could constitute a threat and it's not a particularly serious one. This thread is not about one reddit post, neither is the news coverage. People are upset because he did something he was allowed to do and thought things he was allowed to think.

[Cedoria]

Literally nobody has said he was expelled for expressing unpopular ideas. Threats are not 'unpopular', they are criminal. Big difference.

If you don't see that difference, you don't see that difference, but deliberately collapsing the distinction between the two in an attempt to make a bogus culture wars point is not going to go down well here.

I've drawn a clear line. The overwhelming majority of his conduct is totally undeserving of punishment by the school. There is exactly one reddit post that could constitute a threat and it's not a particularly serious one. This thread is not about one reddit post, neither is the news coverage. People are upset because he did something he was allowed to do and thought things he was allowed to think.

What you consider a 'serious' threat and what the school considers serious may not be the same thing.

For what it's worth, I don't know whether it actually is serious or not. I presume the school would have a far better insight into the kid's character and the nature of his disposition then I would. I also presume they would know whether there were any students in the school who fall under the category of people he was threatening, and I imagine that would've influenced the seriousness of it. Whether he has a past history of this sort of conduct (which we have no info about) would also be a factor. Whether this is a threat or not will be different depending on context.


People are upset because they are attempting a beat-up to have another whinge about 'those darned politically correct liberals', and have to really grasp at straws to find something to be offended about. To which, I respond. Grow up.

[Des-Bal]

What you consider a 'serious' threat and what the school considers serious may not be the same thing.

For what it's worth, I don't know whether it actually is serious or not. I presume the school would have a far better insight into the kid's character and the nature of his disposition then I would. I also presume they would know whether there were any students in the school who fall under the category of people he was threatening, and I imagine that would've influenced the seriousness of it.


People are upset because they are attempting a beat-up to have another whinge about 'those darned politically correct liberals', and have to really grasp at straws to find something to be offended about. To which, I respond. Grow up.

If there's a difference it would stand to reason I believe the school is wrong.

If you're admitting that neither you, nor anybody involved in this thread has information that would prove that threat
was serious I'll accept it. Without evidence I decline to accept that's a threat against any group.

If you want to talk to people direct your posts at them. I'm upset because a great number of people have openly said that he should be punished for expressing his opinions and filing a report in good faith. If you're not one of them you're not one of them but the sentiment has been very clear in this thread and it's dominated the coverage of the incident. This is not being looked at as a student being expelled because he told someone on the internet he would rub his penis on their calves.

[Cedoria]

What you consider a 'serious' threat and what the school considers serious may not be the same thing.

For what it's worth, I don't know whether it actually is serious or not. I presume the school would have a far better insight into the kid's character and the nature of his disposition then I would. I also presume they would know whether there were any students in the school who fall under the category of people he was threatening, and I imagine that would've influenced the seriousness of it.


People are upset because they are attempting a beat-up to have another whinge about 'those darned politically correct liberals', and have to really grasp at straws to find something to be offended about. To which, I respond. Grow up.

If there's a difference it would stand to reason I believe the school is wrong.

If you're admitting that neither you, nor anybody involved in this thread has information that would prove that threat
was serious I'll accept it. Without evidence I decline to accept that's a threat against any group.

If you want to talk to people direct your posts at them. I'm upset because a great number of people have openly said that he should be punished for expressing his opinions and filing a report in good faith. If you're not one of them you're not one of them but the sentiment has been very clear in this thread and it's dominated the coverage of the incident. This is not being looked at as a student being expelled because he told someone on the internet he would rub his penis on their calves.

No, the difference seems to be that I accept the school likely has a better idea then I do about what constitutes a serious threat and what doesn't. They know the kid, the circumstances, etc. I do not. I think those who defend him need to be a bit careful. The fact that the school that obviously is aware of the full context of the threat considered it serious (and the fact that the threat was demonstrably made, however serious), should be enough to convince you.

That's presuming that the reason he was expelled was for the filing of the report in the first place. I find that unlikely personally. For your info, no, I don't think he should be expelled for that if it was the reason. I HAVE said that on this thread, numerous times. The way certain news outlets are covering this issue is very likely an attempt to 'spin' it as being liberal schools suppressing kids opinions. I've seen enough of that kind of manipulative coverage to suspect it's most likely bullshit, especially in light of the other things we know this kid has said. Also given the rather suspect (to put it mildly) credibility of the sources who have run this story in that way.

I think the story is being deliberately emphasised a certain way to push a point, in essence, and telling people to think a bit more about why that is, not simply fall for the whole right culture wars narrative hook line and sinker.

[Des-Bal]

No, the difference seems to be that I accept the school likely has a better idea then I do about what constitutes a serious threat and what doesn't. They know the kid, the circumstances, etc. I do not. I think those who defend him need to be a bit careful. The fact that the school that obviously is aware of the full context of the threat considered it serious (and the fact that the threat was demonstrably made, however serious), should be enough to convince you.

That's presuming that the reason he was expelled was for the filing of the report in the first place. I find that unlikely personally. For your info, no, I don't think he should be expelled for that if it was the reason. I HAVE said that on this thread, numerous times. The way certain news outlets are covering this issue is very likely an attempt to 'spin' it as being liberal schools suppressing kids opinions. I've seen enough of that kind of manipulative coverage to suspect it's most likely bullshit, especially in light of the other things we know this kid has said. Also given the rather suspect (to put it mildly) credibility of the sources who have run this story in that way.

I think the story is being deliberately emphasised a certain way to push a point, in essence, and telling people to think a bit more about why that is, not simply fall for the whole right culture wars narrative hook line and sinker.

First of all the school is not "obviously" aware of the context more than we are. We do not know that the school even saw that particular post. All we know is that over a month before he was expelled he apparently said he would his dick on someone's calves on the internet.

Second, it's Immaterial. My point was that YOU PERSONALLY don't know the context so YOU PERSONALLY cannot use the context to form your opinion. Even if the the school's information DOES suggest the threat was serious the information WE have does not. You can err on the side of believing the school, you can believe that the fact the school did it is sufficient evidence. What I am saying is that you should admit that WITHOUT simply supposing that if the school did it then they were justified that there is NOT enough evidence personally available to you to justify expulsion.

The way I've seen it expressed almost universally is that a racist did racism and he is being righteously punished for it.

[Ultramarr]

See you guys always bring up past stuff thats irellvant now. Most modern terrorists are Muslims from the middle east

Incorrect. Most terrorist attacks in the US have been white males, nominally Christian.

No mostly Islamic as they are political attacks. They have been school shootings done by mentally ill people who were often white or black but that's not terrorism

[Cedoria]

No, the difference seems to be that I accept the school likely has a better idea then I do about what constitutes a serious threat and what doesn't. They know the kid, the circumstances, etc. I do not. I think those who defend him need to be a bit careful. The fact that the school that obviously is aware of the full context of the threat considered it serious (and the fact that the threat was demonstrably made, however serious), should be enough to convince you.

That's presuming that the reason he was expelled was for the filing of the report in the first place. I find that unlikely personally. For your info, no, I don't think he should be expelled for that if it was the reason. I HAVE said that on this thread, numerous times. The way certain news outlets are covering this issue is very likely an attempt to 'spin' it as being liberal schools suppressing kids opinions. I've seen enough of that kind of manipulative coverage to suspect it's most likely bullshit, especially in light of the other things we know this kid has said. Also given the rather suspect (to put it mildly) credibility of the sources who have run this story in that way.

I think the story is being deliberately emphasised a certain way to push a point, in essence, and telling people to think a bit more about why that is, not simply fall for the whole right culture wars narrative hook line and sinker.

First of all the school is not "obviously" aware of the context more than we are. We do not know that the school even saw that particular post. All we know is that over a month before he was expelled he apparently said he would his dick on someone's calves on the internet.

Second, it's Immaterial. My point was that YOU PERSONALLY don't know the context so YOU PERSONALLY cannot use the context to form your opinion. Even if the the school's information DOES suggest the threat was serious the information WE have does not. You can err on the side of believing the school, you can believe that the fact the school did it is sufficient evidence. What I am saying is that you should admit that WITHOUT simply supposing that if the school did it then they were justified that there is NOT enough evidence personally available to you to justify expulsion.

The way I've seen it expressed almost universally is that a racist did racism and he is being righteously punished for it.

Well go talk to other people if it's their arguments you dislike. But I don't speak for them, nor they for me.

On the contrary, we DO have evidence of threatening conduct, it's just conduct you seem determined to ignore on the grounds of it not being 'serious' enough. How you come by this position is your own business.

But once again, if you're arguing with me, argue the points I make, not the ones that others have made that you project upon me for your own purposes. Thanks.

[Des-Bal]

Well go talk to other people if it's their arguments you dislike. But I don't speak for them, nor they for me.

On the contrary, we DO have evidence of threatening conduct, it's just conduct you seem determined to ignore on the grounds of it not being 'serious' enough. How you come by this position is your own business.

But once again, if you're arguing with me, argue the points I make, not the ones that others have made that you project upon me for your own purposes. Thanks.

If you have evidence that this conduct is serious then present it.

[Letwinist States]

No mostly Islamic as they are political attacks. They have been school shootings done by mentally ill people who were often white or black but that's not terrorism

Trust me, my dear, your mental state does not make a difference as to whether you are a terrorist or not, neither does your skin colour have anything to do with your religion.

Nonetheless, looking from 2000 onward, I would agree that terrorism has been dominated by attacks made by radical and, judging by their actions, thoroughly mentally unstable people. Mostly in the name of their twisted Islamic interpretations and anti-western sentiment. Then again, the US have not exactly had a lot of terrorist attacks from 2000 to now, with not a lot of absolute deaths when compared to other countries.

Before 2000, terrorist activities were a white christian male thing and directed (in modern times) at the black population.