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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:46 pm

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Katganistan wrote:Perhaps we should circle back to the topic? Just a thought.


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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:38 pm

Vassenor wrote:Threatening to torture a person doesn't justify expulsion?


Is this what you're talking about:

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"If this happened where my family’s from, he would have the utter fucking shit beaten out of him within an inch of death. Maybe a couple inches past. What fucking garbage trash. Utter scum. I’d like to hammer bamboo shoots under his toenails and cut each and every one of his fingers off, a joint at the time and cauterize each wound to keep him from bleeding out and missing the pain he so richly deserves."


This is one of the horrible racist, hateful, violent posts that's being used as evidence he needed to be expelled. It is him talking about how he'd like to torture and possibly kill an immigrant. I have finally dug up the thing it was in reference to and my original assumption was completely and 100% accurate, it was in reference to someone doing something awful. This man beat an elderly woman into a coma for no apparent reason. Of course that context is immaterial because again: everybody is now a blog.


Because 1, that's not a threat and 2, it's absolutely no worse than common practice on NSG.
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Postby Avernian Republic » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:14 pm

Ultramarr wrote:A pupil who followed reported an illegal immigrant was expelled for reporting the illegal immigrant. Political correctness taken too far? Do you think the school abused its power? I just saw this on youtube and it had me wondering. He seem to had a racist reddit account but it was reporting an illegal that got him in trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ynTvYGNJE



He's illegal

That means he broke the law

You should report criminals

He did the right thing

The school was wrong

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:16 pm

Avernian Republic wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:A pupil who followed reported an illegal immigrant was expelled for reporting the illegal immigrant. Political correctness taken too far? Do you think the school abused its power? I just saw this on youtube and it had me wondering. He seem to had a racist reddit account but it was reporting an illegal that got him in trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ynTvYGNJE



He's illegal

That means he broke the law

You should report criminals

He did the right thing

The school was wrong


What a simplistic, morally-depraved way of thinking about things.
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Postby Donut section » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:17 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Avernian Republic wrote:

He's illegal

That means he broke the law

You should report criminals

He did the right thing

The school was wrong


What a simplistic, morally-depraved way of thinking about things.

I disagree

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:18 pm

Donut section wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
What a simplistic, morally-depraved way of thinking about things.

I disagree


Nah, it's pretty morally-depraved what that expelled kid did.
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Postby Donut section » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:23 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Donut section wrote:I disagree


Nah, it's pretty morally-depraved what that expelled kid did.


What report a criminal?

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:23 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Donut section wrote:I disagree


Nah, it's pretty morally-depraved what that expelled kid did.

How so?
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:25 pm

Donut section wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, it's pretty morally-depraved what that expelled kid did.


What report a criminal?


So it's morally sound to declare someone an illegal person simply for being on the wrong side of a line in the sand?

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, it's pretty morally-depraved what that expelled kid did.

How so?


I dunno, getting an unsuspecting kid who's trying to get an education deported simply because he's from another country and did literally nothing wrong except for exist seems pretty morally depraved if you ask me.
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Postby Donut section » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:27 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Donut section wrote:
What report a criminal?


So it's morally sound to declare someone an illegal person simply for being on the wrong side of a line in the sand?

Proctopeo wrote:How so?


I dunno, getting an unsuspecting kid who's trying to get an education deported simply because he's from another country and did literally nothing wrong except for exist seems pretty morally depraved if you ask me.


Absolutely when that line in the sand is a national border.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:28 pm

Donut section wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So it's morally sound to declare someone an illegal person simply for being on the wrong side of a line in the sand?



I dunno, getting an unsuspecting kid who's trying to get an education deported simply because he's from another country and did literally nothing wrong except for exist seems pretty morally depraved if you ask me.


Absolutely when that line in the sand is a national border.


Well the solution's clear then

DESTROY THE NATIONS
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Postby Donut section » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:30 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Donut section wrote:
Absolutely when that line in the sand is a national border.


Well the solution's clear then

DESTROY THE NATIONS


No thanks.
How about we just add economic disincentives to illegal migration?

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:31 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Donut section wrote:
What report a criminal?


So it's morally sound to declare someone an illegal person simply for being on the wrong side of a line in the sand?

Proctopeo wrote:How so?


I dunno, getting an unsuspecting kid who's trying to get an education deported simply because he's from another country and did literally nothing wrong except for exist seems pretty morally depraved if you ask me.

If you assume the kid wasn't an illegal immigrant, then no net harm has been done, outside of wasting a little bit of everyone's time.
If you assume the kid was an illegal immigrant, then he did the right thing, even if he did it for the wrong reasons. In this case the unsuspecting kid did do something wrong. In this case as well, his parents are also probably illegal immigrants, so even if he didn't knowingly violate immigration law, his parents did.

Torrocca wrote:
Donut section wrote:
Absolutely when that line in the sand is a national border.


Well the solution's clear then

DESTROY THE NATIONS

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:33 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So it's morally sound to declare someone an illegal person simply for being on the wrong side of a line in the sand?



I dunno, getting an unsuspecting kid who's trying to get an education deported simply because he's from another country and did literally nothing wrong except for exist seems pretty morally depraved if you ask me.

If you assume the kid wasn't an illegal immigrant, then no net harm has been done, outside of wasting a little bit of everyone's time.
If you assume the kid was an illegal immigrant, then he did the right thing, even if he did it for the wrong reasons. In this case the unsuspecting kid did do something wrong. In this case as well, his parents are also probably illegal immigrants, so even if he didn't knowingly violate immigration law, his parents did.


Hence why it's morally depraved. Sure it's legally the right thing to do but it's morally a shitty thing to do.
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Postby Donut section » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:34 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:If you assume the kid wasn't an illegal immigrant, then no net harm has been done, outside of wasting a little bit of everyone's time.
If you assume the kid was an illegal immigrant, then he did the right thing, even if he did it for the wrong reasons. In this case the unsuspecting kid did do something wrong. In this case as well, his parents are also probably illegal immigrants, so even if he didn't knowingly violate immigration law, his parents did.


Hence why it's morally depraved. Sure it's legally the right thing to do but it's morally a shitty thing to do.


I believe you have warped morals in this area.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:35 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:If you assume the kid wasn't an illegal immigrant, then no net harm has been done, outside of wasting a little bit of everyone's time.
If you assume the kid was an illegal immigrant, then he did the right thing, even if he did it for the wrong reasons. In this case the unsuspecting kid did do something wrong. In this case as well, his parents are also probably illegal immigrants, so even if he didn't knowingly violate immigration law, his parents did.


Hence why it's morally depraved. Sure it's legally the right thing to do but it's morally a shitty thing to do.

You haven't really explained how it's morally shitty.
All you've said is "he didn't do anything!!", when it's possible that he did, in fact, do something, and the case where he didn't causes no actual harm to him.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:43 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Hence why it's morally depraved. Sure it's legally the right thing to do but it's morally a shitty thing to do.

You haven't really explained how it's morally shitty.
All you've said is "he didn't do anything!!", when it's possible that he did, in fact, do something, and the case where he didn't causes no actual harm to him.


Well let's see, how exactly could it be that the kid who sees minorities as subhuman reporting an illegal immigrant be morally depraved in any way? Perhaps it stems from the fact that he sees minorities as subhuman and would naturally by extension see his fellow classmate as a subhuman for being a minority and an immigrant? Perhaps its from the fact that this whole report came only from a racial standpoint (because, let's not kid ourselves here, he'd never have reported the kid if he were white) rather than an actual legal standpoint? Perhaps it's from the fact that this pipe-smoking cuntburglar decided to forego any semblance of human decency and say, "y'know what? This kid's trying to get an education just like I am but he's brown and speaks a foreign language so I'm gonna report him to ICE and get him deported hahahahahaha praise kek pepe trump memes eggs dee!"?

Otherwise, I have no fucking clue how this act could possibly be morally depraved.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:23 pm

Avernian Republic wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:A pupil who followed reported an illegal immigrant was expelled for reporting the illegal immigrant. Political correctness taken too far? Do you think the school abused its power? I just saw this on youtube and it had me wondering. He seem to had a racist reddit account but it was reporting an illegal that got him in trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ynTvYGNJE



He's illegal

That means he broke the law

You should report criminals

He did the right thing

The school was wrong

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense
Donut section wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, it's pretty morally-depraved what that expelled kid did.


What report a criminal?

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense
Donut section wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Well the solution's clear then

DESTROY THE NATIONS


No thanks.
How about we just add economic disincentives to illegal migration?

No, the disincentive should be on reporting illegal immigrants
Illegal immigrants should be helped to become legalized without being deported.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:24 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:No, the disincentive should be on reporting illegal immigrants
Illegal immigrants should be helped to become legalized without being deported.

Why?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:37 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:No, the disincentive should be on reporting illegal immigrants
Illegal immigrants should be helped to become legalized without being deported.

Why?

Because most are poor and doing their best to find a better life and to destroy their dreams is inconsiderate, sslfish, and, like Torocca said, morally depraved.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:40 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Why?

Because most are poor and doing their best to find a better life and to destroy their dreams is inconsiderate, sslfish, and, like Torocca said, morally depraved.

They couldn't be assed to go through the proper channels. Why should we hold their hands and let them do it after they already poisoned the well?
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Postby Eclius » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:50 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Avernian Republic wrote:

He's illegal

That means he broke the law

You should report criminals

He did the right thing

The school was wrong

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense
Donut section wrote:
What report a criminal?

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense
Donut section wrote:
No thanks.
How about we just add economic disincentives to illegal migration?

No, the disincentive should be on reporting illegal immigrants
Illegal immigrants should be helped to become legalized without being deported.

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense? I'm sorry, I don't think I understand your logic here
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:52 pm

Eclius wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense

No, the disincentive should be on reporting illegal immigrants
Illegal immigrants should be helped to become legalized without being deported.

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense? I'm sorry, I don't think I understand your logic here

It's a civil offense. Not a criminal one.
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