Pupil seemingly expelled for reporting illegal immigrant

[Aellex]

Then we rule together as a democratic international collective designed to protect and support all people everywhere!

>"democratic international collective designed to protect and support all people everywhere"
I'd rather have a democratic-ish national government designed to exploit people from elsewhere, tbh.

[Donut section]

You mean he was unfairly punished for having shitty opinions.

Now I'm not certain of the intricacies of American law. But isn't a state owned school not allowed to punish people for expressing their views?

I mean, he was expelled for violating the student code of conduct which explicitly includes not threatening violence against others, which is among the shit he did before getting expelled. So yes the kid deserved it and was completely fairly punished for being an irredeemable shithead. :^)

So he gets to smash the student code before he cashes in?

[Torrocca]

Then we rule together as a democratic international collective designed to protect and support all people everywhere!

>"democratic international collective designed to protect and support all people everywhere"
I'd rather have a democratic-ish national government designed to exploit people from elsewhere, tbh.

Maybe if they're aliens from another planet, sure. But not our own people.

[Aellex]

what was that sentence about The Terror and the consequence of the general principle of democracy or something? (Pardon my french. literally. I know close to nothing about French)

"Si le ressort du gouvernement populaire dans la paix est la vertu, le ressort du gouvernement populaire en révolution est à la fois la vertu et la terreur : la vertu, sans laquelle la terreur est funeste ; la terreur, sans laquelle la vertu est impuissante. La terreur n'est autre chose que la justice prompte, sévère, inflexible ; elle est donc une émanation de la vertu ; elle est moins un principe particulier, qu'une conséquence du principe général de la démocratie, appliqué aux plus pressants besoins de la patrie."

(lf the attribute of popular government in peace is virtue, the attribute of popular government in revolution is at one and the same time virtue and terror, virtue without which terror is fatal, terror without which virtue is impotent. The terror is nothing but justice, prompt, severe, inflexible; it is thus an emanation of virtue.)

[Jebslund]

Pretty sure Middle Eastern terrorism is a pretty small drop in the bucket.

For instance the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe from the last half-century have been carried out by people born in Europe.

See you guys always bring up past stuff thats irellvant now. Most modern terrorists are Muslims from the middle east

Define modern.

[Aellex]

Maybe if they're aliens from another planet, sure. But not our own people.

[Torrocca]

Maybe if they're aliens from another planet, sure. But not our own people.

Now we're talking!

[Des-Bal]

I mean, he was expelled for violating the student code of conduct which explicitly includes not threatening violence against others, which is among the shit he did before getting expelled. So yes the kid deserved it and was completely fairly punished for being an irredeemable shithead. :^)

I haven't seen the school's reasoning but the only threats I've seen didn't call for expulsion.

[Vassenor]

I mean, he was expelled for violating the student code of conduct which explicitly includes not threatening violence against others, which is among the shit he did before getting expelled. So yes the kid deserved it and was completely fairly punished for being an irredeemable shithead. :^)

I haven't seen the school's reasoning but the only threats I've seen didn't call for expulsion.

Threatening to torture a person doesn't justify expulsion?

[Donut section]

I haven't seen the school's reasoning but the only threats I've seen didn't call for expulsion.

Threatening to torture a person doesn't justify expulsion?

Citation needed

[Proctopeo]

I haven't seen the school's reasoning but the only threats I've seen didn't call for expulsion.

Threatening to torture a person doesn't justify expulsion?

Wasn't all that he did in that regard fantasizing about torturing no one specific person?

[Aellex]

Wasn't all that he did in that regard fantasizing about torturing no one specific person?

Plus, from the context, it looked like he was reacting to a criminal having committed some shit which is a rather natural reaction.

I don't know about you but I, for one, would be more reassured of the moral character of someone if he started fantasizing about torturing a pedophile by example than defending his actions.

[Wallenburg]

Threatening to torture a person doesn't justify expulsion?

Wasn't all that he did in that regard fantasizing about torturing no one specific person?

Doesn't really matter, when you state such fucked up fantasies as those, the school has a clear interest in protecting its students from an unstable and potentially violent student.

[Proctopeo]

Wasn't all that he did in that regard fantasizing about torturing no one specific person?

Doesn't really matter, when you state such fucked up fantasies as those, the school has a clear interest in protecting its students from an unstable and potentially violent student.

I'd say it matters. Especially if the context is as Aellex states - a strong response to something abhorrent.
Would you say there's a difference between someone saying "I'm going to stab you" and "I'd kinda like to stab disgusting criminals like that guy..."?

[Jebslund]

Wasn't all that he did in that regard fantasizing about torturing no one specific person?

Plus, from the context, it looked like he was reacting to a criminal having committed some shit which is a rather natural reaction.

I don't know about you but I, for one, would be more reassured of the moral character of someone if he started fantasizing about torturing a pedophile by example than defending his actions.

Yes, but molesting a kid because you feel entitled to act on every sexual urge that enters your mind and crossing a border because your parents wanted a better life for you and your family are worlds apart in terms of severity. That's like saying a kid who steals a candy bar should be executed because execution is the punishment for murder.

[Wallenburg]

Doesn't really matter, when you state such fucked up fantasies as those, the school has a clear interest in protecting its students from an unstable and potentially violent student.

I'd say it matters. Especially if the context is as Aellex states - a strong response to something abhorrent.
Would you say there's a difference between someone saying "I'm going to stab you" and "I'd kinda like to stab disgusting criminals like that guy..."?

The article that the video links to simply says that he fantasized about torturing immigrants. Not illegal immigrants. Not violent criminals. Immigrants. If you have another source that can expand upon that, that would be appreciated.

[Prekonate]

It would be interesting to hear from a RL public school teacher re: expulsion proceedings (there is a lot of conjecture here). The school would've had to give the kid due process, but the code of conduct likely includes some kosher process for expulsion, and there's no reason to think it wasn't followed. An interesting question is whether the code of conduct applies off-campus, and whether he has some 1st Amd claim to relief based on the school banning him for a form of speech. There are no doubt cases that control what kind of speech is constitutionally protected in the school context.

[Shaggtopia]

A shithead kid expresses racist opinions and gets a peer kicked out of the country, he got kicked out of school. I don't feel bad for the shithead because the school system clearly wasn't working for him if he fails kindergarten lessons. Namely the finer points of sharing.

[Salandriagado]

Pretty sure Middle Eastern terrorism is a pretty small drop in the bucket.

For instance the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe from the last half-century have been carried out by people born in Europe.

See you guys always bring up past stuff thats irellvant now. Most modern terrorists are Muslims from the middle east

No they aren't. The overwhelming majority of terrorists in both the US and the EU continue to be home-grown.

[Katganistan]

West Indians are the Caribbean like Trinidad.

Literally no one says that anymore. Why not just say "people from the Caribbean"? Clears up the confusion

Funny. My colleague refers to herself as West Indian. Lots of people do. There is no confusion to clear up. And "people from the Carribbean" is unnecessarily verbose.

[Katganistan]

Pretty sure Middle Eastern terrorism is a pretty small drop in the bucket.

For instance the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe from the last half-century have been carried out by people born in Europe.

See you guys always bring up past stuff thats irellvant now. Most modern terrorists are Muslims from the middle east

Incorrect. Most terrorist attacks in the US have been white males, nominally Christian.

[Katganistan]

See you guys always bring up past stuff thats irellvant now. Most modern terrorists are Muslims from the middle east

Incorrect. Most terrorist attacks in the US have been white males, nominally Christian.

You are being such a Marxist right now Kat.

[Katganistan]

Incorrect. Most terrorist attacks in the US have been white males, nominally Christian.

You are being such a Marxist right now Kat.

I don't see how. I don't believe that communism works except in, you know, communes -- small enough groups that everyone feels a personal responsibility to everyone else, which is a form of government that will never work fairly for a country as enormous as the US.

Or are you saying that the truth is Marxist?
Curious. *plays X files theme*

[Neanderthaland]

Incorrect. Most terrorist attacks in the US have been white males, nominally Christian.

You are being such a Marxist right now Kat.

The moderators on NSG are Maxist.

[Katganistan]

You are being such a Marxist right now Kat.

The moderators on NSG are Maxist.

Well, I have an uncle who looks a bit like Groucho....