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Postby Genivaria » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:59 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
New haven america wrote:That also goes for Canada, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Austria, etc...

America is one thing Japan and Europe are old world nation states that belong to the native people

This is what's telling about your stance, you base who should be a citizen based on blood and ancestry instead of loyalty to the nation or hard work.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:28 pm

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New haven america wrote:You are aware that you can't get US government assistance unless your a registered citizen, right? Most illegal immigrants in the US are forced to do hard work because the have no safety net to fall back on.

With just that one sentence your argument falls completely apart.

You illiterate I was talking about stuff going on in the UK

Ah, it seems you failed to actually see how the argument related and started namecalling, how cute.

Ugh, fine, I'll spell it out to you. It was used to show the differnet things that illegal immigrants have to deal with in the US compared to other areas of the world, and how the stereotypes of illegal immigrants being hard workers is actually pretty accurate over here.

But I shouldn't have had to spell that out for you, you act smart, you should've figured it out~
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:31 pm

Korvale wrote:The child did nothing wrong except not report the illegal immigant anonymously.


TIL inciting violence is "[doing] nothing wrong".
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Postby New haven america » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:33 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
New haven america wrote:That also goes for Canada, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Austria, etc...

America is one thing Japan and Europe are old world nation states that belong to the native people

1. I wasn't aware Europe became a country, when did this magical event happen?
2. Two things, First: Bloodline citizenship is stupid, and Second: I like how you ignore Canada and Australia, even though they claim that their immigration is more difficult that the US', while having similar population demographics as the US, so...
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:39 pm

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Korvale wrote:The child did nothing wrong except not report the illegal immigant anonymously.


TIL inciting violence is "[doing] nothing wrong".

where specifically did he incite violence tho
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:44 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
TIL inciting violence is "[doing] nothing wrong".

where specifically did he incite violence tho

Apparently he was posting racist comments and threats online and the school didn't want to be associated with it.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:45 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:where specifically did he incite violence tho

Apparently he was posting racist comments and threats online and the school didn't want to be associated with it.
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That's not really incitement, though...
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:51 pm

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Genivaria wrote:Apparently he was posting racist comments and threats online and the school didn't want to be associated with it.
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That's not really incitement, though...


I'll be sure to hold you to that standard.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:52 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:That's not really incitement, though...


I'll be sure to hold you to that standard.

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How is it incitement then?
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Postby Sperio » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:54 pm

So he was doing his job as an American citizen, and he got punished
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Postby Des-Bal » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:41 pm

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I think that this kid got what he deserved from these posts.
Case closed.
You can't morally defend him not being kicked.


Freedom of speech. There were some posts that could be construed as threats and those are the only things that should have resulted in punishment and even then expulsion may have been excessive.
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Wtf is a bamboo shoot?
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:54 pm

Trumptonium wrote:Wtf is a bamboo shoot?

A young bamboo plant. They were thinking of the bamboo torture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_torture
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Postby Trumptonium » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:56 pm

New haven america wrote:First: Bloodline citizenship is stupid,


yet it's used by around 90% of the planet

New haven america wrote:and Second: I like how you ignore Canada and Australia, even though they claim that their immigration is more difficult that the US', while having similar population demographics as the US, so...


australia and canada have far fewer low-skilled and culturally reprehensible immigrants than the US, though.

part of the inherent nature of the canadian and australian skills-based migration is that the type of people who are derided in the US wouldn't be able to get in ... so effectively it's the same thing but you're hiding your prejudice under the veil of a skills or education threshold

new zealand even more so. think the average migrant has a bachelor degree.
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Postby Des-Bal » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:57 pm

Trumptonium wrote:Wtf is a bamboo shoot?



The new growth of a bamboo plant. I think he's conflating shoving bamboo splinters under someone's fingers to torture them and the apocryphal practice of positioning someone's body over a bamboo shoot so that the plant grows upwards penetrating their body over the course of days.
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Postby Trumptonium » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:58 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:Wtf is a bamboo shoot?

A young bamboo plant. They were thinking of the bamboo torture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_torture


oh

sounds icky
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Postby HMS Barham » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:59 pm

Ultramarr wrote:A pupil who followed reported an illegal immigrant was expelled for reporting the illegal immigrant. Political correctness taken too far? Do you think the school abused its power? I just saw this on youtube and it had me wondering. He seem to had a racist reddit account but it was reporting an illegal that got him in trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ynTvYGNJE

It's not called illegal immigration, it's called undocumented immigration, reflecting the fact that it is not illegal. Just because it is against the law does not make it illegal. The enforcing arms can decide what is legal or illegal on their own by appeal to their own shared moral fads. That is who we are.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:00 pm

Sperio wrote:So he was doing his job as an American citizen, and he got punished


Fun fact: Nowhere in the Constitution or in any statute is a duty placed on citizens to report crimes.
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Postby Trumptonium » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:06 pm

HMS Barham wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:A pupil who followed reported an illegal immigrant was expelled for reporting the illegal immigrant. Political correctness taken too far? Do you think the school abused its power? I just saw this on youtube and it had me wondering. He seem to had a racist reddit account but it was reporting an illegal that got him in trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ynTvYGNJE

It's not called illegal immigration, it's called undocumented immigration, reflecting the fact that it is not illegal. Just because it is against the law does not make it illegal. The enforcing arms can decide what is legal or illegal on their own by appeal to their own shared moral fads. That is who we are.


calling it illegal immigration is ubiquitous in us political discourse and in uk law. the home office fines "2500 for each illegal immigrant" found as a stowaway in a truck
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:06 pm

HMS Barham wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:A pupil who followed reported an illegal immigrant was expelled for reporting the illegal immigrant. Political correctness taken too far? Do you think the school abused its power? I just saw this on youtube and it had me wondering. He seem to had a racist reddit account but it was reporting an illegal that got him in trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ynTvYGNJE

It's not called illegal immigration, it's called undocumented immigration, reflecting the fact that it is not illegal. Just because it is against the law does not make it illegal. The enforcing arms can decide what is legal or illegal on their own by appeal to their own shared moral fads. That is who we are.

What kind of world are we in where breaking the law is not illegal?
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:11 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
HMS Barham wrote:It's not called illegal immigration, it's called undocumented immigration, reflecting the fact that it is not illegal. Just because it is against the law does not make it illegal. The enforcing arms can decide what is legal or illegal on their own by appeal to their own shared moral fads. That is who we are.

What kind of world are we in where breaking the law is not illegal?

In the US, if you get caught crossing the border without the proper documentation, that's a criminal offense (a misdemeanor). If, however, you are discovered in the country without documented authorization, it's a civil offense.
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Postby HMS Barham » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:12 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
HMS Barham wrote:It's not called illegal immigration, it's called undocumented immigration, reflecting the fact that it is not illegal. Just because it is against the law does not make it illegal. The enforcing arms can decide what is legal or illegal on their own by appeal to their own shared moral fads. That is who we are.


calling it illegal immigration is ubiquitous in us political discourse and in uk law. the home office fines "2500 for each illegal immigrant" found as a stowaway in a truck

Immigrating to the UK stowed away in a truck is illegal. I know that because serious effort is expended stopping it and such people are actually caught and deported. So that terminology is correct.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:34 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
New haven america wrote:First: Bloodline citizenship is stupid,


1.yet it's used by around 90% of the planet

New haven america wrote:and Second: I like how you ignore Canada and Australia, even though they claim that their immigration is more difficult that the US', while having similar population demographics as the US, so...


2. australia and canada have far fewer low-skilled and culturally reprehensible immigrants than the US, though.

3. part of the inherent nature of the canadian and australian skills-based migration is that the type of people who are derided in the US wouldn't be able to get in ... so effectively it's the same thing but you're hiding your prejudice under the veil of a skills or education threshold

4. new zealand even more so. think the average migrant has a bachelor degree.

1. I see you don't understand geography, unsurprisingly. You do realize that almost every single country in North and South America, as well as various Asian and African nations have birthright citizenship? Oh, of course you don't, or else you wouldn't have made that obviously uninformed comment.
2. Maybe because the US is acting like a buffer for Canada, and Australia is located in the middle of the fucking ocean. Oh, and don't be fooled, Canada is actually in serious need of jobs as their population doesn't support their employment needs.
3. Uh, false. Canada is actually trying to get Mexican immigrants that would usually go to the US to go to Canada. Yet again, job needs that it's population is incapable of supporting.
4. No, not really. Again, similar problem with Canada, they need more people due to job needs.
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Postby HMS Barham » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:40 pm

New haven america wrote:3. Uh, false. Canada is actually trying to get Mexican immigrants that would usually go to the US to go to Canada. Yet again, job needs that it's population is incapable of supporting.

Oh rubbish, that is a purely ideology-driven policy of the Trudeau government.
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Postby Donut section » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:48 pm

So I'm not really surprised that people think it's ok to expel this kid for wrong think. And it's only less saddening that they claimed it was for doing his duty as a responsible citizen.

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