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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:11 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Crockerland wrote:That would be a violation of international law.


When the fuck has the U.S. ever cared about international law.

Trump doesn't give a shit about international law. America first.

We only care about international law when it works in our favor.
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Postby Shaggtopia » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:22 pm

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Shaggtopia wrote:How does one become a US Citizen these days? It should be a standardized test, we can test it on all natural citizens and deport anyone who fails.

That would be a violation of international law.

Your point being what exactly? Governments break their own laws and the laws of other governments all the time, espionage is a thing after all.

My point is simply fix immigration so it functions properly, where those willing to contribute to society and fill a niche are able to do so and those who are unwilling to shoulder that burden are removed.

Besides which I never said we'd be Deporting the natural rejects to another established nation, there is a trash island the size of Texas in the ocean right? Learn to fish.
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Postby Trumptonium » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:32 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
When the fuck has the U.S. ever cared about international law.

Trump doesn't give a shit about international law. America first.

We only care about international law when it works in our favor.
Is that a form of realpolitik?


Isn't that how it's always been?

US doesn't care about Chinese rules and China doesn't care about American rules. Balance of power. International laws are more of a sideline for PR.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:33 pm

He shouldn't be expelled for reporting an illegal immigrant to the authorities.

That would be like expelling someone for trying to call the police.

Reporting wrongdoing to the authorities should be encouraged, not discouraged in the name of political correctness.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:34 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>Equating citizens as cells fighting illegals aka "infection"
Really? Illegal immigrants are not an infection.

taking our jobs,

Oh, you mean jobs the native population refuses to do?

Tell me, just how excited would you be if you got offered to pick fruit in the middle of the south's Summer or dig ditches in 100+ f conditions for less than minimum wage? Not very I'd assume.
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Postby Trumptonium » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Aillyria wrote:taking our jobs,

Oh, you mean jobs the native population refuses to do?

Tell me, just how excited would you be if you got offered to pick fruit in the middle of the south's Summer or dig ditches in 100+ f conditions for less than minimum wage? Not very I'd assume.


why are they doing jobs below the minimum wage then

deport them and take their assets for undercutting the american labourer
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Postby New haven america » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:55 pm

Shaggtopia wrote:How does one become a US Citizen these days? It should be a standardized test, we can test it on all natural citizens and deport anyone who fails.

Lots of work.

You must: Have a been permanent residence for 5 years (3 if you have a citizen spouse) and stay here continuously for 30 months after filing specific forms (Namely the N-400), be 18 or over (Some methods have lower requirements, like military naturalization), be fluent and literate in English, fill out several forms (N-400 is the most important as it's the main citizenship application form, but you also need to get other things like health info and biometrics) and pay several fines and bills, take a test showing that you understand US history and government/culture, have interviews with people at USCIS and hope they approve you, and take an oath of allegiance.

Keep in mind that getting permanent residence (Green card) is a whole other issue entirely and requires a crap ton of money, work, and pure luck.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:56 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
New haven america wrote:Oh, you mean jobs the native population refuses to do?

Tell me, just how excited would you be if you got offered to pick fruit in the middle of the south's Summer or dig ditches in 100+ f conditions for less than minimum wage? Not very I'd assume.


1. why are they doing jobs below the minimum wage then

deport them and take their assets for undercutting the american labourer

1. Why are we still letting resturants pay below minimum wage?
2. I say we fire all resturant staff and replace them with robots, that'll show 'em. How dare they try to survive in today's enviroment.
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Postby Brittany Normandy Aquitaine » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:59 pm

The student is just protecting a law, and sure it may not be the kids fault, the parents could of illegally came when he was to young to understand, but you gotta realize, it is against the law to illegally immigrate to the USA and to help others illegally immigrate, so im semi-neutral but leaning toward the side of the kid who reported

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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:01 pm

New haven america wrote:
Aillyria wrote:taking our jobs,

Oh, you mean jobs the native population refuses to do?

Tell me, just how excited would you be if you got offered to pick fruit in the middle of the south's Summer or dig ditches in 100+ f conditions for less than minimum wage? Not very I'd assume.

I am not too sure about the US but in the UK we had similar propaganda about how British people are "lazy" and deserve to lose their jobs to migrants which isn't true. They are very lazy people mostly millennials it seems in the country but also very hard working people that work hard in harsh conditions for long hours such as steel mills and the same thing applies to immigrants they aren't all hard working as the media portrays some are very lazy and live off welfare while others work very hard for their families

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Postby New haven america » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:03 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
New haven america wrote:Oh, you mean jobs the native population refuses to do?

Tell me, just how excited would you be if you got offered to pick fruit in the middle of the south's Summer or dig ditches in 100+ f conditions for less than minimum wage? Not very I'd assume.

very lazy and live off welfare

You are aware that you can't get US government assistance unless your a registered citizen, right? Most illegal immigrants in the US are forced to do hard work because the have no safety net to fall back on.

With just that one sentence your argument falls completely apart.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:05 pm

Brittany Normandy Aquitaine wrote:The student is just protecting a law, and sure it may not be the kids fault, the parents could of illegally came when he was to young to understand, but you gotta realize, it is against the law to illegally immigrate to the USA and to help others illegally immigrate, so im semi-neutral but leaning toward the side of the kid who reported


So you're fine with people threatening to torture members of other ethnicities. Got it.
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Postby Puldania » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:06 pm

Can we talk about how its more expensive to immigrate and become a citizen of the U.S than some countries' gdppc?
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Postby New haven america » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:07 pm

Puldania wrote:Can we talk about how its more expensive to immigrate and become a citizen of the U.S than some countries' gdppc?

That also goes for Canada, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Austria, etc...
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Postby Puldania » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:13 pm

New haven america wrote:
Puldania wrote:Can we talk about how its more expensive to immigrate and become a citizen of the U.S than some countries' gdppc?

That also goes for Canada, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Austria, etc...

Personally, i dont think cost should be included in becoming a citizen. Conservatives, if you want less illegal immigration, cut immigration costs. You could even raise criminal history searches in exchange for this.
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Postby Puldania » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:17 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Brittany Normandy Aquitaine wrote:The student is just protecting a law, and sure it may not be the kids fault, the parents could of illegally came when he was to young to understand, but you gotta realize, it is against the law to illegally immigrate to the USA and to help others illegally immigrate, so im semi-neutral but leaning toward the side of the kid who reported


So you're fine with people threatening to torture members of other ethnicities. Got it.

I think he skimmed the forum and didnt read the article(s) thus he might not know about the perp's virulent racism.
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Postby Korvale » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:21 pm

The child did nothing wrong except not report the illegal immigant anonymously.

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Postby Trumptonium » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:34 pm

New haven america wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:
1. why are they doing jobs below the minimum wage then

deport them and take their assets for undercutting the american labourer

1. Why are we still letting resturants pay below minimum wage?
2. I say we fire all resturant staff and replace them with robots, that'll show 'em. How dare they try to survive in today's enviroment.


what has this got to do with your argument?

Puldania wrote:
New haven america wrote:That also goes for Canada, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Austria, etc...

Personally, i dont think cost should be included in becoming a citizen. Conservatives, if you want less illegal immigration, cut immigration costs. You could even raise criminal history searches in exchange for this.


part of immigration costs is displaying you are committed. it shouldn't be a free ride.
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Postby Puldania » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:38 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Why are we still letting resturants pay below minimum wage?
2. I say we fire all resturant staff and replace them with robots, that'll show 'em. How dare they try to survive in today's enviroment.


what has this got to do with your argument?

Puldania wrote:Personally, i dont think cost should be included in becoming a citizen. Conservatives, if you want less illegal immigration, cut immigration costs. You could even raise criminal history searches in exchange for this.


part of immigration costs is displaying you are committed. it shouldn't be a free ride.

Because the several years and heaps of paperwork dont show youre committed.
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Postby Trumptonium » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:40 pm

Puldania wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:
what has this got to do with your argument?



part of immigration costs is displaying you are committed. it shouldn't be a free ride.

Because the several years and heaps of paperwork dont show youre committed.


they dont
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Postby Puldania » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:41 pm

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Puldania wrote:Because the several years and heaps of paperwork dont show youre committed.


they dont

I give up.
Youre stupid
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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:49 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:very lazy and live off welfare

You are aware that you can't get US government assistance unless your a registered citizen, right? Most illegal immigrants in the US are forced to do hard work because the have no safety net to fall back on.

With just that one sentence your argument falls completely apart.

You illiterate I was talking about stuff going on in the UK

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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:50 pm

New haven america wrote:
Puldania wrote:Can we talk about how its more expensive to immigrate and become a citizen of the U.S than some countries' gdppc?

That also goes for Canada, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Austria, etc...

America is one thing Japan and Europe are old world nation states that belong to the native people

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Postby Puldania » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:55 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
New haven america wrote:That also goes for Canada, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Austria, etc...

America is one thing Japan and Europe are old world nation states that belong to the native people

Technically only Spain is hkme to natives, since the basques were there before the indos.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:57 pm

Puldania wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:
they dont

I give up.
Youre stupid

Poor choice of words.
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