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Postby Liriena » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:28 am

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Liriena wrote:And, again, he didn't just snitch. He openly denigrated people of color and fantasized about torturing them.

So you listed "snitching" among the stuff he did. Of all the things he did "snitching" wasn't bad he helped the law

I believe it was bad. Maliciously reporting a fellow high school student to the assholes of ICE because of your explicit racism is not good, even if the student was, in fact, an undocumented immigrant. The law can be unjust, so it's not a bullet-proof excuse for shitty behavior.
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Postby Shikihara » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:30 am

As awful a human being as the pupil is, I'm not sure he should be deprived of his education for his off-campus antics.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:32 am

Shikihara wrote:As awful a human being as the pupil is, I'm not sure he should be deprived of his education for his off-campus antics.

Given the stuff he believes, he was clearly wasting his education. :p
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:36 am

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Shikihara wrote:As awful a human being as the pupil is, I'm not sure he should be deprived of his education for his off-campus antics.

Given the stuff he believes, he was clearly wasting his education. :p

You could say that for a lot of people...
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Postby Community Values » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:36 am

you mean... student?
Do other countries commonly call students "pupils"?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:36 am

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Liriena wrote:Given the stuff he believes, he was clearly wasting his education. :p

You could say that for a lot of people...

About 50% of Reddit, at least.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:37 am

Community Values wrote:you mean... student?
Do other countries commonly call students "pupils"?

Over here we generally use alumni (or at least, the Spanish equivalent of it) for primary and secondary students.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:38 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:You could say that for a lot of people...

About 50% of Reddit, at least.

Most users on most political subs, really.
People on subs about vidya or apolitical hobbies are usually alright.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:46 am

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Liriena wrote:About 50% of Reddit, at least.

Most users on most political subs, really.
People on subs about vidya or apolitical hobbies are usually alright.

Except for KiA, agreed.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:51 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Most users on most political subs, really.
People on subs about vidya or apolitical hobbies are usually alright.

Except for KiA, agreed.

They're a political vidya sub. Still, from my experience with political subs, they're... far better than most, really. It's not like the bar for being better than most political subs is very high - I think it's actually buried a mile underground.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:07 am

Vovodoco wrote:I support more open immigration, but that immigrant was there illegally. The student was simply reporting a crime.


Do we know that for a fact tho. Cuz the article doesn't say whether the girl was really an immigrant or not.

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:12 am

Shikihara wrote:As awful a human being as the pupil is, I'm not sure he should be deprived of his education for his off-campus antics.


He learned a valuable lesson for when he becomes an adult: the things you do when you're not at work will shit up your life at work.

Especially when it's you being a wannabe Lil' Hitler all over Reddit.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:19 am

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Shikihara wrote:As awful a human being as the pupil is, I'm not sure he should be deprived of his education for his off-campus antics.


He learned a valuable lesson for when he becomes an adult: the things you do when you're not at work will shit up your life at work.

Especially when it's you being a wannabe Lil' Hitler all over Reddit.

He seems closer to the Iron Guard than to the Nazis.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:20 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:About 50% of Reddit, at least.

Most users on most political subs, really.
People on subs about vidya or apolitical hobbies are usually alright.

The r/guns subreddit is pretty alright.
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Postby Trumptonium » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:56 am

Community Values wrote:you mean... student?
Do other countries commonly call students "pupils"?

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Postby Aellex » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:47 am

Liriena wrote:And, again, he didn't just snitch. He openly denigrated people of color and fantasized about torturing them.

Tbf, snitching imply a form of betrayal which is quite incompatible with how out-spoken he was about his views. Such move is only treacherous and vile when you're breaking bonds of trust or honour and neither existed, quite clearly, in this case meaning that he was indeed right to report a crime.

Tbh, I don't understand how illegal immigrants can get a place into school to begin with since they lack the necessary legal documentation so it's only just righting a wrong.


As for his expelment, if he was dumb enough to get his reddit account traced to him and then to his school, he had it coming tho that still don't mean kicking him out was the best course of action.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:50 am

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Liriena wrote:And, again, he didn't just snitch. He openly denigrated people of color and fantasized about torturing them.

Tbf, snitching imply a form of betrayal which is quite incompatible with how out-spoken he was about his views. Such move is only treacherous and vile when you're breaking bonds of trust or honour and neither existed, quite clearly, in this case meaning that he was indeed right to report a crime.

It's a civil violation, not a crime.
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Postby Aellex » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:53 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's a civil violation, not a crime.

In other words, a crime.
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Postby Aillyria » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:00 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Aellex wrote:Tbf, snitching imply a form of betrayal which is quite incompatible with how out-spoken he was about his views. Such move is only treacherous and vile when you're breaking bonds of trust or honour and neither existed, quite clearly, in this case meaning that he was indeed right to report a crime.

It's a civil violation, not a crime.

Illegal entry (or "improper entry") to the US carries criminal penalties (fines and jail or prison time), in addition to civil penalties and immigration consequences (deportation and bars from future entry). - AllLaw.com

It is a crime.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Aellex wrote:Tbf, snitching imply a form of betrayal which is quite incompatible with how out-spoken he was about his views. Such move is only treacherous and vile when you're breaking bonds of trust or honour and neither existed, quite clearly, in this case meaning that he was indeed right to report a crime.

It's a civil violation, not a crime.

Is "civil violation" newspeak for crime?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:02 pm

Aillyria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's a civil violation, not a crime.

Illegal entry (or "improper entry") to the US carries criminal penalties (fines and jail or prison time), in addition to civil penalties and immigration consequences (deportation and bars from future entry). - AllLaw.com

It is a crime.

Illegal immigration often involves visa overstay, which is a civil offense and not criminal, not improper entry.
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Postby Altaiire » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:03 pm

Aellex wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's a civil violation, not a crime.

In other words, a crime.


Not quite. Specifically, "improper entry" (border crossing or any other means of sneaking into the country) is a crime (punishable by incarceration). "Unlawful presence" (ex; remaining in the country past the expiration of a visa) is a civil offense (punishable by deportation).

However, both are illegal, so this distinction is splitting hairs.
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Postby Aillyria » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:10 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Illegal entry (or "improper entry") to the US carries criminal penalties (fines and jail or prison time), in addition to civil penalties and immigration consequences (deportation and bars from future entry). - AllLaw.com

It is a crime.

Illegal immigration often involves visa overstay, which is a civil offense and not criminal, not improper entry.

Illegal immigration or overstay = GTFO
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:11 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Illegal immigration often involves visa overstay, which is a civil offense and not criminal, not improper entry.

Illegal immigration or overstay = GTFO

Illegal immigration + we'll find a way for you to get legalized without sending you back
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:12 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Illegal immigration often involves visa overstay, which is a civil offense and not criminal, not improper entry.

Illegal immigration or overstay = GTFO

Um, why?
You are creating an issue out of nothing.
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