Pupil seemingly expelled for reporting illegal immigrant

[Jebslund]

Visas, but yes. Which is why the wall is one of the dumbest wastes of money ever proposed.

As to building a moat, we'd probably spend less money paying illegal immigrants to go home than we would on a moat, so why not just give them an education, a path to citizenship if they keep their noses clean, and actually do something productive with that money. Like actually pay teachers. Or send kids like this to counseling where they can work out their issues and such.

The point is for them to pay their own deportation costs.

Enforcement still costs money immigrants, especially illegal ones, don't usually have, even if you try to force them to pay for the trip. Part of the reason the ones that sneak over here, as opposed to simply overstaying their visas (as the majority do), is because they don't have the money to do so legally, and, even those that did, but didn't have the time, often have to leave what they had behind and find work here under the table for poverty wages given by employers unscrupulous enough to use them as a cost-cutting measure. I'd rather see the money put toward doing some good instead of rabidly going after anyone who isn't white (because whites rarely, if ever, get asked for their papers) to find people who are here illegally.

Side note: I did not omit a 'for' in the comment you replied to. I meant literally giving illegal immigrants money to get them to go home.

[Mutz]

I do and I think colonialism was a good thing

Then you like immigration.
Good to know.

Kat is naturally correct.

The FBI notes that Islamic extremism is a relatively new phenomenon, and the market on terrorism was cornered by domestic terrorists, particularly right-wing extremists in the last 20 or so years.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publ ... rror_05sum

Thanks for the corroboration.

Just to add to that further: While the majority of fatalities due to terror in Europe in 2016 were due to thirteen jihadist attacks, the vast majority of terrorist attacks (out of 142) were carried out by ethno-nationalists and seperatist extremists.
"[...] The TE-SAT published today provides a concise overview of the nature of terrorism that"the EU faced in 2016 and looks in detail at terrorist attacks that occurred: the largest number of attacks in which a terrorist affiliation could be identified were carried out by ethno-nationalist and separatist extremists (99)[...]

Note that some caveats to the term "terror attack" apply, for example:"[...]Apart from jihadist, ethno-nationalist and
left-wing extremist attacks, an increasing stream of violent assaults by right-wing extremist individuals and groups was noted across Europe, in particular over the past two years, targeting asylum seekers and ethnic minorities in general. These assaults however do not generally qualify as terrorism and are therefore not included in the numbers of terrorist attacks being reported by Member States.[...]"
Compare that with the case of a 15-year old IS-fangirl which stabbed a police officer non-fatally with a kitchen knife, which was counted as a terrorist attack. I also didn't see the Munich attack in June mentioned anywhere, even though nine people died and it was carried out on the "anniversary" of the Breivik attacks by a rightwing extremist.

[Salandriagado]

Being in the USA without documentation is not a criminal offence.

I'm pretty sure he's talking about "Ought" not "Is" here. So legality by itself isn't the right tack. These types obviously treat this as worse than jaywalking even though they are same kind of offence.

He is, however, using the word "is" (abbreviated).

Says who? I'm pretty sure no one wants to work a meager job being treated less than dirt and being paid below minimum wage

And why didn't they simply... enter legally?

Because we're humans who should feel sympathy or empathy towards another human in need.

Not a good argument. I feel sympathy and empathy for them, but I still don't think they should get concessions for stumbling across the border.

Because it's ludicrously expensive and takes decades. (And most of them did enter legally: they just didn't go back when their visas expired).

They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.

Not going to happen it will lead to the death of the civilisation.

No it wont.

If say for example Sweden was 80 percent Somalian then its not Sweden anymore is it.

Yes, it would.

Sure it would be.

No a country will only be one if its inhabited by its people. If China was all inhabited by I don't know Bengalis it wouldn't no longer be China for example

A country is either a political entity or a patch of land. Neither is defined by descent. If those Bengalis are Chinese citizens, then they are Chinese.

[Salandriagado]

Posting things on the internet is no different from publishing it in a newspaper. It isn't "Big Brother" to read the papers, is it?

I wasn't aware writing something on a paper could get a person expelled...

When what he's writing includes threats of torture, why not?

[Kubumba Tribe]

jihadist...jihadist

Terrorism =/= jihad

[Salandriagado]

That's a fairly broad interpretation of at least American jurisprudence on the matter. I think you'd be right to say that where there is a reasonable forecast of substantial disruption to the school's pedagogical mission then the School can take action

Which is odd because in almost any other context, schools aren't allowed to punish students for something they might do.

Nor should they be. "Pre-crime" is considered a dystopian concept for a reason.

Threatening violence is a crime in and of itself. See assault, for example.

Only one of those is inherently good. The other is going to ruin good and bad people alike, and probably more good than bad. And you're not going to be gaining much in the short or long run, or at least no more than you'd get if you gave those who deserve it a path to legalization.

The trick is to, simultaneously, make it harder to enter the country illegally, but also easier to become a legal citizen if you're good.

I'm thinking a giant moat between the USA and Mexico with bridges at major roads, each with an immigration services office right at the American side. And also helicopters to dissuade illegal entry.

Moats are trivial to get past. Again: more illegal immigrants entered the US via airports than over the border. If you want to build a wall to reduce immigration, the best place to build it would be around Miami airport.

[Ifreann]

Visas, but yes. Which is why the wall is one of the dumbest wastes of money ever proposed.

As to building a moat, we'd probably spend less money paying illegal immigrants to go home than we would on a moat, so why not just give them an education, a path to citizenship if they keep their noses clean, and actually do something productive with that money. Like actually pay teachers. Or send kids like this to counseling where they can work out their issues and such.

The point is for them to pay their own deportation costs.

"I'll send you a cheque once I've left the country"

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Which is odd because in almost any other context, schools aren't allowed to punish students for something they might do.

Nor should they be. "Pre-crime" is considered a dystopian concept for a reason.

Threatening violence is a crime in and of itself. See assault, for example.

The trick is to, simultaneously, make it harder to enter the country illegally, but also easier to become a legal citizen if you're good.

I'm thinking a giant moat between the USA and Mexico with bridges at major roads, each with an immigration services office right at the American side. And also helicopters to dissuade illegal entry.

Moats are trivial to get past. Again: more illegal immigrants entered the US via airports than over the border. If you want to build a wall to reduce immigration, the best place to build it would be around Miami airport.

Every international airport
I'm joking tho, so no 1 kill me plssssssssssssss

[The Sauganash Union]

The trick is to, simultaneously, make it harder to enter the country illegally, but also easier to become a legal citizen if you're good.

I'm thinking a giant moat between the USA and Mexico with bridges at major roads, each with an immigration services office right at the American side. And also helicopters to dissuade illegal entry.

Don't most illegal immigrants come in legally by plane and just overstay their vistas?

You can end a ton of illegal immigration instantly with visa tracking and stringent e-verify nationwide. That probably cuts down about half of it. Don't even need a wall or much of a border patrol to do that.

Why our government doesn't implement this incredibly cheap and simple solution is beyond me.

[The Rich Port]

Then you like immigration.
Good to know.



Thanks for the corroboration.

Just to add to that further: While the majority of fatalities due to terror in Europe in 2016 were due to thirteen jihadist attacks, the vast majority of terrorist attacks (out of 142) were carried out by ethno-nationalists and seperatist extremists.
"[...] The TE-SAT published today provides a concise overview of the nature of terrorism that"the EU faced in 2016 and looks in detail at terrorist attacks that occurred: the largest number of attacks in which a terrorist affiliation could be identified were carried out by ethno-nationalist and separatist extremists (99)[...]

Note that some caveats to the term "terror attack" apply, for example:"[...]Apart from jihadist, ethno-nationalist and
left-wing extremist attacks, an increasing stream of violent assaults by right-wing extremist individuals and groups was noted across Europe, in particular over the past two years, targeting asylum seekers and ethnic minorities in general. These assaults however do not generally qualify as terrorism and are therefore not included in the numbers of terrorist attacks being reported by Member States.[...]"
Compare that with the case of a 15-year old IS-fangirl which stabbed a police officer non-fatally with a kitchen knife, which was counted as a terrorist attack. I also didn't see the Munich attack in June mentioned anywhere, even though nine people died and it was carried out on the "anniversary" of the Breivik attacks by a rightwing extremist.

The right-wing bias in a lot of security agencies is real, it would appear... I went to an anti-Nazi conference hosted by an ex-Nazi and he mentioned that the police and FBI tend to ignore or not treat Nazis seriously.

He also mentioned that there was a conference between Nazis and other extremists including the Nation of Islam to divide the country up after they destroyed the U.S. government but anyway.

[Pilarcraft]

Just to add to that further: While the majority of fatalities due to terror in Europe in 2016 were due to thirteen jihadist attacks, the vast majority of terrorist attacks (out of 142) were carried out by ethno-nationalists and seperatist extremists.
"[...] The TE-SAT published today provides a concise overview of the nature of terrorism that"the EU faced in 2016 and looks in detail at terrorist attacks that occurred: the largest number of attacks in which a terrorist affiliation could be identified were carried out by ethno-nationalist and separatist extremists (99)[...]

Note that some caveats to the term "terror attack" apply, for example:"[...]Apart from jihadist, ethno-nationalist and
left-wing extremist attacks, an increasing stream of violent assaults by right-wing extremist individuals and groups was noted across Europe, in particular over the past two years, targeting asylum seekers and ethnic minorities in general. These assaults however do not generally qualify as terrorism and are therefore not included in the numbers of terrorist attacks being reported by Member States.[...]"
Compare that with the case of a 15-year old IS-fangirl which stabbed a police officer non-fatally with a kitchen knife, which was counted as a terrorist attack. I also didn't see the Munich attack in June mentioned anywhere, even though nine people died and it was carried out on the "anniversary" of the Breivik attacks by a rightwing extremist.

The right-wing bias in a lot of security agencies is real, it would appear... I went to an anti-Nazi conference hosted by an ex-Nazi and he mentioned that the police and FBI tend to ignore or not treat Nazis seriously.

He also mentioned that there was a conference between Nazis and other extremists including the Nation of Islam to divide the country up after they destroyed the U.S. government but anyway.

to be honest, I don't see why everyone puts any separation between "Right-wing Terrorism" and "Islamic Terrorism".
what makes you think Islam, at least the extremist versions of it, are not right? (As in, the social Right Wing not the Economic Right Wing) but in all seriousness, it's not like Home-grown terrorism doesn't dominate foreign terrorism or immigrant-caused terrorism everywhere.

[New haven america]

They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.

1.Not going to happen it will lead to the death of the civilisation. 2.If say for example Sweden was 80 percent Somalian then its not Sweden anymore is it.

1. Not really, no.
2. Yes it would.

[New haven america]

Sure it would be.

1.No a country will only be one if its inhabited by its people. 2.If China was all inhabited by I don't know Bengalis it wouldn't no longer be China for example

1. That's not how it works
2. Considering a lot of non-Han Chinese don't view themselves as Chinese even though everyone else does just goes to show your lack of understanding on this subject.

[Pilarcraft]

1.No a country will only be one if its inhabited by its people. 2.If China was all inhabited by I don't know Bengalis it wouldn't no longer be China for example

1. That's not how it works
2. Considering a lot of non-Han Chinese don't view themselves as Chinese even though everyone else does just goes to show your lack of understanding on this subject.

technically, the german view on Nation-State did use to be something like this, even before The Nazis. it is a theory on who constitutes a citizen of a Nation-state... just not a modern one, and not a commonly-accepted one.

[The Rich Port]

The right-wing bias in a lot of security agencies is real, it would appear... I went to an anti-Nazi conference hosted by an ex-Nazi and he mentioned that the police and FBI tend to ignore or not treat Nazis seriously.

He also mentioned that there was a conference between Nazis and other extremists including the Nation of Islam to divide the country up after they destroyed the U.S. government but anyway.

to be honest, I don't see why everyone puts any separation between "Right-wing Terrorism" and "Islamic Terrorism".
what makes you think Islam, at least the extremist versions of it, are not right? (As in, the social Right Wing not the Economic Right Wing) but in all seriousness, it's not like Home-grown terrorism doesn't dominate foreign terrorism or immigrant-caused terrorism everywhere.

That's a good fuckin' point I make regularly.

Wahhabis are the ultra-conservative redneck Nazis of the Muslim world.

[Ultramarr]

No I don't like immigration here much. Colonialism brought civilisation to the natives unlike whats going on here

Yeah well you don't like facts so there's no pleasing you.

No thats you your just the emotional one.

[New haven america]

Yeah well you don't like facts so there's no pleasing you.

No thats you your just the emotional one.

"I know you are but what am I!?"

[Ultramarr]

Not going to happen it will lead to the death of the civilisation. If say for example Sweden was 80 percent Somalian then its not Sweden anymore is it.

You mean, the death of "white" civilization.
But given this is a nation of immigrants, it would not lead to the death of American civilization.

The natives had their own backward technologically backward nations and didn't build the united states. Their reservations are their nations

The natives were pushed onto the least arable lands, had their food source destroyed, and was given blankets infected with smallpox to try to eradicate them by their so called civilized white immigrants to this land.

Don't you dare call them backward when the only reason the English survived their first winter was these backward people feeding them and teaching them to hunt and farm and fish in this new land.

God, the absolute ignorance of history and disdain for people our ancestors tried to eradicate through genocide to steal their home is sickening.

You might be full of white guilt but white civilisation is a great civilisation that must be preserved it was they that civilised most of the world. They were backwards with loin cloths and bow and arrows and they had it coming it was like natural selection a whole culture. Its just like a lion eating a sheep

[New haven america]

1. That's not how it works
2. Considering a lot of non-Han Chinese don't view themselves as Chinese even though everyone else does just goes to show your lack of understanding on this subject.

technically, the german view on Nation-State did use to be something like this, even before The Nazis. it is a theory on who constitutes a citizen of a Nation-state... just not a modern one, and not a commonly-accepted one.

And we see how well that went for Germany...

[Vassenor]

Yeah well you don't like facts so there's no pleasing you.

No thats you your just the emotional one.

The NO U defence doesn't work here.

[Ultramarr]

No thats you your just the emotional one.

The NO U defence doesn't work here.

Neither does the garbage he accused me of

[New haven america]

The NO U defence doesn't work here.

Neither does the garbage he accused me of

Rich is right though.

[Ultramarr]

Neither does the garbage he accused me of

Rich is right though.

That's your opinion

[Pilarcraft]

The NO U defence doesn't work here.

Neither does the garbage he accused me of

every single one was true, though. You have yet to bring any statistic, academic, or even anecdotal evidence to support your claims. Anecdotes aren't accurate and don't count as evidence, but you have failed to bring even one of those. Every single claim you've made, until now, has been absolutely and 100% mistaken (sometimes stuff that any dumbass can find by a google search, much less really complicated stuff)

[New haven america]

Rich is right though.

That's your opinion

No, that's a fact.

Also known as something you have trouble with.