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Postby Jebslund » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:51 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sure it would be.

No a country will only be one if its inhabited by its people. If China was all inhabited by I don't know Bengalis it wouldn't no longer be China for example

By that logic, this ain't America. The natives have been outnumbered by Europeans and Africans for a couple centuries now.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:51 am

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Ifreann wrote:Sure it would be.

No a country will only be one if its inhabited by its people. If China was all inhabited by I don't know Bengalis it wouldn't no longer be China for example

Sure it would be. Countries aren't going to change their names if their demographics shift. The borders of Bengal don't follow Bengali people around.

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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:00 am

Jebslund wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:No a country will only be one if its inhabited by its people. If China was all inhabited by I don't know Bengalis it wouldn't no longer be China for example

By that logic, this ain't America. The natives have been outnumbered by Europeans and Africans for a couple centuries now.

The natives had their own backward technologically backward nations and didn't build the united states. Their reservations are their nations
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:02 am

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Jebslund wrote:By that logic, this ain't America. The natives have been outnumbered by Europeans and Africans for a couple centuries now.

The natives had their own backward nations and didn't build the united states. Their reservations are their nations


Please come back here with those goalposts.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:03 am

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Ultramarr wrote:Was he kicked out for threatening to torture non white people? It says it was for bragging about reporting the illegal

Nope. His other posts were spotted by the school after he started bragging. It was the whole enchilada that got him expelled, not just the bragging.

If saying things get you expelled nowadays than that's pretty stingy of schools. Honestly the kids a jerk, but I despise the school to "big brother" what their students say on the internet.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:07 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Nope. His other posts were spotted by the school after he started bragging. It was the whole enchilada that got him expelled, not just the bragging.

If saying things get you expelled nowadays than that's pretty stingy of schools. Honestly the kids a jerk, but I despise the school to "big brother" what their students say on the internet.

Posting things on the internet is no different from publishing it in a newspaper. It isn't "Big Brother" to read the papers, is it?

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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:08 am

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:If saying things get you expelled nowadays than that's pretty stingy of schools. Honestly the kids a jerk, but I despise the school to "big brother" what their students say on the internet.

Posting things on the internet is no different from publishing it in a newspaper. It isn't "Big Brother" to read the papers, is it?

I wasn't aware writing something on a paper could get a person expelled...
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Postby Jebslund » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:08 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Jebslund wrote:By that logic, this ain't America. The natives have been outnumbered by Europeans and Africans for a couple centuries now.

The natives had their own backward technologically backward nations and didn't build the united states. Their reservations are their nations

No, their reservations are *not* their nations. Their reservations are where they got forced to when their land was stolen. By force of arms, I might add. As to that racist statement at the beginning, stop moving the goalposts. You're not fooling anyone, and you look like a fool in the process.
Jebslund is a nation of kerbals ruled by Emperor Jebediah Kerman. We reject tyranny, believing that rights should be protected, though we also believe said rights end where the rights of others begin.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:If saying things get you expelled nowadays than that's pretty stingy of schools. Honestly the kids a jerk, but I despise the school to "big brother" what their students say on the internet.

Posting things on the internet is no different from publishing it in a newspaper. It isn't "Big Brother" to read the papers, is it?

Internet is vast and large in general typically on has to "keep tabs" on them in order to ensure they are writing appropriately
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:10 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Posting things on the internet is no different from publishing it in a newspaper. It isn't "Big Brother" to read the papers, is it?

I wasn't aware writing something on a paper could get a person expelled...

If this was a story about a student being expelled over the racist newsletter they hand out around town in their free time then I would only be surprised that some kid was distributing a newsletter in their free time.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:12 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Posting things on the internet is no different from publishing it in a newspaper. It isn't "Big Brother" to read the papers, is it?

Internet is vast and large in general typically on has to "keep tabs" on them in order to ensure they are writing appropriately

Do you think that's what happened here? The school follows its students around online? Because that's not what happened. They were tipped off that one of their students was being a loudly racist shit.

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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:30 am

Jebslund wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:The natives had their own backward technologically backward nations and didn't build the united states. Their reservations are their nations

No, their reservations are *not* their nations. Their reservations are where they got forced to when their land was stolen. By force of arms, I might add. As to that racist statement at the beginning, stop moving the goalposts. You're not fooling anyone, and you look like a fool in the process.

No that that's you. The North American natives were hunter gathers with no proper concept of nationhood or land so it wasn't their land if they didn't claim it its partly their fault they lost although diseases was the biggest reason followed by tech. I also don't want my country to end up like the natives either and at least the natives fought back like warriors. I also never said any "racist" statements your just must be ones of those people that believe everything is racist and if you don't bend over and put other people first then your the evil racist.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:52 am

Ifreann wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Internet is vast and large in general typically on has to "keep tabs" on them in order to ensure they are writing appropriately

Do you think that's what happened here? The school follows its students around online? Because that's not what happened. They were tipped off that one of their students was being a loudly racist shit.

Most districts do that sort of thing, but regardless internet is that sort of thing that your not sure who exactly said what. Hints the existence of trolls. To fire someone because they said something on the internet is pretty dumb considering the fact that they don't see the consequences nor do we set a "internet standard" on how to act. It's as though your setting children up to fail in life.
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Postby Jebslund » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:53 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Jebslund wrote:No, their reservations are *not* their nations. Their reservations are where they got forced to when their land was stolen. By force of arms, I might add. As to that racist statement at the beginning, stop moving the goalposts. You're not fooling anyone, and you look like a fool in the process.

No that that's you. The North American natives were hunter gathers with no proper concept of nationhood or land so it wasn't their land if they didn't claim it its partly their fault they lost although diseases was the biggest reason followed by tech. I also don't want my country to end up like the natives either and at least the natives fought back like warriors. I also never said any "racist" statements your just the kind to believe everything is racist and if you don't bend over and put other people first your the evil racist.


So, if you don't shout, "Mine!", it's okay for me to yank what I want out of your hands and hold a firearm to your head if you try to take it back, since it's not yours? The fact they were willing to fight is pretty clear indication they considered it theirs, which meant yes, it was their land, and no, it's not their fault that some white people with guns decided they wanted their land and weren't taking no for an answer, or that said white people decided said natives were trash to be cleared off of the land said whites wanted.

As to not wanting your country to end up like the natives, most of the ones you're treating as threats aren't interested taking your land or ruling your country. Most of them just want a better life for themselves in what they were told was the land of opportunity, and a good deal would be happy just to not have to worry about being executed for not believing in the local flavor of deity or disagreeing with the government. Things you take for granted.

As for racist, yes, it's generally considered racist to call someone 'backward'.

As far as your constant, "No U!"-ing, I didn't come here to argue with a child. I came for an intellectual debate. If you are going to continue arguing on the level of the former, I am going to bow out while one of us is being civil.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:56 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Do you think that's what happened here? The school follows its students around online? Because that's not what happened. They were tipped off that one of their students was being a loudly racist shit.

Most districts do that sort of thing,

I'd be surprised if they had the time or inclination.
but regardless internet is that sort of thing that your not sure who exactly said what.

Obviously this young man made his real identity clear enough by posting pictures of himself.
Hints the existence of trolls.

Do you mean 'hence'?
To fire someone because they said something on the internet is pretty dumb considering the fact that they don't see the consequences

I think that most people today are aware that shit they say online can have offline consequences.
nor do we set a "internet standard" on how to act. It's as though your setting children up to fail in life.

By giving them a hands-on lesson that speech has consequences?

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:57 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Jebslund wrote:No, their reservations are *not* their nations. Their reservations are where they got forced to when their land was stolen. By force of arms, I might add. As to that racist statement at the beginning, stop moving the goalposts. You're not fooling anyone, and you look like a fool in the process.

No that that's you. The North American natives were hunter gathers with no proper concept of nationhood or land so it wasn't their land if they didn't claim it its partly their fault they lost although diseases was the biggest reason followed by tech. I also don't want my country to end up like the natives either and at least the natives fought back like warriors. I also never said any "racist" statements your just the kind to believe everything is racist and if you don't bend over and put other people first your the evil racist.


So because they didn't act like white people it was OK to come in and steal all their land.
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:59 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Do you think that's what happened here? The school follows its students around online? Because that's not what happened. They were tipped off that one of their students was being a loudly racist shit.

Most districts do that sort of thing, but regardless internet is that sort of thing that your not sure who exactly said what. Hints the existence of trolls. To fire someone because they said something on the internet is pretty dumb considering the fact that they don't see the consequences nor do we set a "internet standard" on how to act. It's as though your setting children up to fail in life.


Re-fucking-lax. The little jerk didn't get sent to prison. He was expelled. You get re-accepted to schools.

Thought it would have to be a pretty forgiving or pretty desperate school. Maybe the Reform School or the Boot Camp will take him, because judging by his behavior, he desperately needs them.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:01 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Most districts do that sort of thing, but regardless internet is that sort of thing that your not sure who exactly said what. Hints the existence of trolls. To fire someone because they said something on the internet is pretty dumb considering the fact that they don't see the consequences nor do we set a "internet standard" on how to act. It's as though your setting children up to fail in life.


Re-fucking-lax. The little jerk didn't get sent to prison. He was expelled. You get re-accepted to schools.

Thought it would have to be a pretty forgiving or pretty desperate school. Maybe the Reform School or the Boot Camp will take him, because judging by his behavior, he desperately needs them.


I dunno. I get the feeling he'd fail the pre-enlistment psyche stuff.
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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:01 am

Jebslund wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:No that that's you. The North American natives were hunter gathers with no proper concept of nationhood or land so it wasn't their land if they didn't claim it its partly their fault they lost although diseases was the biggest reason followed by tech. I also don't want my country to end up like the natives either and at least the natives fought back like warriors. I also never said any "racist" statements your just the kind to believe everything is racist and if you don't bend over and put other people first your the evil racist.


So, if you don't shout, "Mine!", it's okay for me to yank what I want out of your hands and hold a firearm to your head if you try to take it back, since it's not yours? The fact they were willing to fight is pretty clear indication they considered it theirs, which meant yes, it was their land, and no, it's not their fault that some white people with guns decided they wanted their land and weren't taking no for an answer, or that said white people decided said natives were trash to be cleared off of the land said whites wanted.

As to not wanting your country to end up like the natives, most of the ones you're treating as threats aren't interested taking your land or ruling your country. Most of them just want a better life for themselves in what they were told was the land of opportunity, and a good deal would be happy just to not have to worry about being executed for not believing in the local flavor of deity or disagreeing with the government. Things you take for granted.

As for racist, yes, it's generally considered racist to call someone 'backward'.

As far as your constant, "No U!"-ing, I didn't come here to argue with a child. I came for an intellectual debate. If you are going to continue arguing on the level of the former, I am going to bow out while one of us is being civil.

Backwards isn't a race its a correct statement to call a backwards culture or civilisation backwards not a race. The natives varied per tribe and some of them were very brutal and warlike and their brutality was shocking for the Europeans while some were peaceful but had a culture that was stupid like the Caribbean natives that Columbus conquered. They lost so were the less fit civilisation at the time like how a lion eats a zebra. A lot of them are taking up the place while others aren't visit East London for example.

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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:02 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Most districts do that sort of thing, but regardless internet is that sort of thing that your not sure who exactly said what. Hints the existence of trolls. To fire someone because they said something on the internet is pretty dumb considering the fact that they don't see the consequences nor do we set a "internet standard" on how to act. It's as though your setting children up to fail in life.


Re-fucking-lax. The little jerk didn't get sent to prison. He was expelled. You get re-accepted to schools.

Thought it would have to be a pretty forgiving or pretty desperate school. Maybe the Reform School or the Boot Camp will take him, because judging by his behavior, he desperately needs them.

Expulsions stay on record don't they? And he didn't do a crime or anything in school

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:05 am

Ultramarr wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Re-fucking-lax. The little jerk didn't get sent to prison. He was expelled. You get re-accepted to schools.

Thought it would have to be a pretty forgiving or pretty desperate school. Maybe the Reform School or the Boot Camp will take him, because judging by his behavior, he desperately needs them.

Expulsions stay on record don't they? And he didn't do a crime or anything in school

Schools are perfectly within their authorities to punish online harassment and threats of violence.
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Postby Escocaria » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:07 am

I don't see why the school would ban him for being racist outside of school time nor do I see why they'd get rid of him for reporting an illegal.

To be fair, both are in the wrong but the School went overboard. An Exclusion would have been fine, in my opinion, just keeping him out for a week or two but to get rid of him completely? That' s just idiotic and an abuse of power.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:09 am

Escocaria wrote:I don't see why the school would ban him for being racist outside of school time nor do I see why they'd get rid of him for reporting an illegal.

To be fair, both are in the wrong but the School went overboard. An Exclusion would have been fine, in my opinion, just keeping him out for a week or two but to get rid of him completely? That' s just idiotic and an abuse of power.

I could see exclusion as a relatively decent punishment.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:09 am

Escocaria wrote:I don't see why the school would ban him for being racist outside of school time nor do I see why they'd get rid of him for reporting an illegal.

To be fair, both are in the wrong but the School went overboard. An Exclusion would have been fine, in my opinion, just keeping him out for a week or two but to get rid of him completely? That' s just idiotic and an abuse of power.

As I have said earlier, chances are he had meetings with school officials in an effort to deal with his behavior, and he refused to back down or cooperate, leading to harsher punishment.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:12 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Escocaria wrote:I don't see why the school would ban him for being racist outside of school time nor do I see why they'd get rid of him for reporting an illegal.

To be fair, both are in the wrong but the School went overboard. An Exclusion would have been fine, in my opinion, just keeping him out for a week or two but to get rid of him completely? That' s just idiotic and an abuse of power.

As I have said earlier, chances are he had meetings with school officials in an effort to deal with his behavior, and he refused to back down or cooperate, leading to harsher punishment.

From how I understand punishments go, or for atleast my school is you give a relatively minor punishment then you up it if he's caught again. I didn't see them do that for this instance.
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