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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:51 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They couldn't be assed to go through the proper channels.

Says who? I'm pretty sure no one wants to work a meager job being treated less than dirt and being paid below minimum wage

And why didn't they simply... enter legally?
Proctopeo wrote:Why should we hold their hands and let them do it?

Because we're humans who should feel sympathy or empathy towards another human in need.

Not a good argument. I feel sympathy and empathy for them, but I still don't think they should get concessions for stumbling across the border.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:04 am

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Says who? I'm pretty sure no one wants to work a meager job being treated less than dirt and being paid below minimum wage

And why didn't they simply... enter legally?

https://www.us-immigration.com/blog/how ... log-p26719
Might cost too much
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... t-get-line
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:And why didn't they simply... enter legally?

https://www.us-immigration.com/blog/how ... log-p26719
Might cost too much
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... t-get-line
Too difficult


That's entirely their problem.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:09 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:And why didn't they simply... enter legally?

https://www.us-immigration.com/blog/how ... log-p26719
Might cost too much

Okay, and why shouldn't this apply in the situation of "coddle them and let them become citizens anyway"?
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/why-don%E2%80%99t-they-just-get-line
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Once again, why shouldn't this apply in the given bleeding-heart situation?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:10 am

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Okay, and why shouldn't this apply in the situation of "coddle them and let them become citizens anyway"?
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/why-don%E2%80%99t-they-just-get-line
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Once again, why shouldn't this apply in the given bleeding-heart situation?

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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:13 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Okay, and why shouldn't this apply in the situation of "coddle them and let them become citizens anyway"?

Once again, why shouldn't this apply in the given bleeding-heart situation?

I don't think I understand what you're saying

I was saying, why shouldn't those restrictions apply if we're letting illegal immigrants become citizens without deporting them first?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:14 am

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:I don't think I understand what you're saying

I was saying, why shouldn't those restrictions apply if we're letting illegal immigrants become citizens without deporting them first?

Why shouldn't we make it easier to help people find a better life? Is that what you're asking?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:17 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I was saying, why shouldn't those restrictions apply if we're letting illegal immigrants become citizens without deporting them first?

Why shouldn't we make it easier to help people find a better life? Is that what you're asking?

No, it's not.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:23 am

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Why shouldn't we make it easier to help people find a better life? Is that what you're asking?

No, it's not.

Then what are you asking?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:25 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:No, it's not.

Then what are you asking?

As I've said, why should we give illegal immigrants special privileges when it comes to immigration?
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Postby Letwinist States » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:26 am

Vassenor wrote:
What evidence is there that he was expelled just for reporting another classmate?


I applaud your try to bring this discussion back to the unfounded allegations of the OP, however, I fear that the discussion has taken a few too many turns from the subject and currently revolves around whether or not migration is a good/ bad/ legal/ whatever thing... Oh and I remember a post questioning whether or not fantasising about torture is covered by free speech... :eyebrow:
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:30 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Then what are you asking?

As I've said, why should we give illegal immigrants special privileges when it comes to immigration?

They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Donut section » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:33 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:As I've said, why should we give illegal immigrants special privileges when it comes to immigration?

They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.


Yes they should, and char he'd for the expense.

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Postby Democratic Exodian Territories » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:42 am

He did the right thing, all in all, in my opinion.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:44 am

Donut section wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.


Yes they should, and char he'd for the expense.

What expense?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:45 am

Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:He did the right thing, all in all, in my opinion.


Threatening to torture people is "[doing] the right thing" apparently.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:51 am

Donut section wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.


Yes they should, and char he'd for the expense.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:15 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:As I've said, why should we give illegal immigrants special privileges when it comes to immigration?

They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.

But why shouldn't they be?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:29 am

Vassenor wrote:Threatening to torture people is "[doing] the right thing" apparently.


He didn't threaten to torture anybody.
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Des-Bal wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Threatening to torture people is "[doing] the right thing" apparently.


He didn't threaten to torture anybody.

Vass has been corrected on this at least once, possibly more. It's kinda amusing tbh
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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:33 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:As I've said, why should we give illegal immigrants special privileges when it comes to immigration?

They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.

Not going to happen it will lead to the death of the civilisation. If say for example Sweden was 80 percent Somalian then its not Sweden anymore is it.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:34 am

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.

Not going to happen it will lead to the death of the civilisation. If say for example Sweden was 80 percent Somalian then its not Sweden anymore is it.

Then it becomes Iswiidhan :)
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:37 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:They aren't special priveleges. I'm not saying they should get citizenship as soon as they arrive, but they shouldn't be deported.

Not going to happen it will lead to the death of the civilisation. If say for example Sweden was 80 percent Somalian then its not Sweden anymore is it.

Sure it would be.

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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:42 am

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Ultramarr wrote:Not going to happen it will lead to the death of the civilisation. If say for example Sweden was 80 percent Somalian then its not Sweden anymore is it.

Sure it would be.

No a country will only be one if its inhabited by its people. If China was all inhabited by I don't know Bengalis it wouldn't no longer be China for example

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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:47 am

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Ifreann wrote:Sure it would be.

No a country will only be one if its inhabited by its people. If China was all inhabited by I don't know Bengalis it wouldn't no longer be China for example

At least have the balls to use the words you want to use, instead of vague words like "its people"

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