Postgender

[Summertimequestionswine]

Can I make my gender blueberry waffle?

Is that a valid gender?

[Soyouso]

Can I make my gender blueberry waffle?

Is that a valid gender?

Gender identity is an identity related to the state of being male or female. Actual gender identities will have something to do with gender.

[The Snazzylands]

Can I make my gender blueberry waffle?

Is that a valid gender?

Gender identity is an identity related to the state of being male or female. Actual gender identities will have something to do with gender.

That's a little close-minded. Fruits are symbolic of fertility, bringing to mind connotations of gentile femininity and childbirth. So one's gender identity being somewhat blueberry means their gender is like that of particularly small, pulpy fruits -- having a focus on that fertility and femininity without having it be an overbearing part of their personality.

Waffles are impossible to make without a waffle-maker, and waffle-makers can only make different kinds of waffles. Therefore identifying as a type of waffle is a recognition of one's uniqueness, and just as waffles need time and practice in order to create properly, one's personality must be developed and become richer over time.

So when Summertimequestionswine or anyone else says they identify as a blueberry waffle, please take a step back and consider what that really means before making that kind of insensitive comment.

[Soyouso]

Gender identity is an identity related to the state of being male or female. Actual gender identities will have something to do with gender.

That's a little close-minded. Fruits are symbolic of fertility, bringing to mind connotations of gentile femininity and childbirth. So one's gender identity being somewhat blueberry means their gender is like that of particularly small, pulpy fruits -- having a focus on that fertility and femininity without having it be an overbearing part of their personality.

Waffles are impossible to make without a waffle-maker, and waffle-makers can only make different kinds of waffles. Therefore identifying as a type of waffle is a recognition of one's uniqueness, and just as waffles need time and practice in order to create properly, one's personality must be developed and become richer over time.

So when Summertimequestionswine or anyone else says they identify as a blueberry waffle, please take a step back and consider what that really means before making that kind of insensitive comment.

I'm starting to think I should just fucking stop trying altogether, this is just too damn frustrating.
Everytime I try to have a genuine conversation about this subject people either don't take it seriously in the first place, throw a Bible/Quran/whateverotherholybook at me and call it a day, or are so closedminded on the issue even trying to communicate for the sake or learning about each other's viewpoints is pointless. And that goes for the "It doesn't happen because it's not normal and I don't feel it" types and the "Anyone who acknowledges dysphoria is a truscum" types.
I'm just going to accept having a serious conversation about this subject is fucking impossible. I give up.

Sorry if I sound salty, I just am and hate everyone right now.

[MeeNMann]

They were just trying to shut you down, telling you their rules! Don't have it, don't listen to a random user that can tell you what and what not to do! You know the rules, so keep arguing, keep at it! This is the beginning... I'm breaking the rules to help a friend out, even though we are very much strangers...

[Liriena]

Can I make my gender blueberry waffle?

Is that a valid gender?

Do you even know what gender is?

[Aillyria]

Can I make my gender blueberry waffle?

Is that a valid gender?

Do you even know what gender is?

What makes blueberries an invalid gender if you can apparently be other nonhuman identities like "nonbinary" and "postgender"?

[Liriena]

Do you even know what gender is?

What makes blueberries an invalid gender if you can apparently be other nonhuman identities like "nonbinary" and "postgender"?

"Nonbinary" is not a "nonhuman identity", though. Third genders have been a thing for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong while.

[The Stanistanistanistan Republic]

Literally who cares? It's not a big deal if somebody wants to identify as some crazy gender if it's not harming anyone else.

[The Stanistanistanistan Republic]

Can I make my gender blueberry waffle?

Is that a valid gender?

That's my favorite gender, actually. Tastes quite nice.

[Aillyria]

What makes blueberries an invalid gender if you can apparently be other nonhuman identities like "nonbinary" and "postgender"?

"Nonbinary" is not a "nonhuman identity", though. Third genders have been a thing for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong while.

Ok, where is the evidence for the existence of nonbinary genders? How can a human, cis or trans, not be male or female?

[Liriena]

"Nonbinary" is not a "nonhuman identity", though. Third genders have been a thing for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong while.

Ok, where is the evidence for the existence of nonbinary genders? How can a human, cis or trans, not be male or female?

People who identify as non-binary exist and have varying degrees of cultural and social recognition throughout history. Gender being a social construct, that's pretty much all the evidence you need: self-identification and social and cultural recognition.

[Aillyria]

Ok, where is the evidence for the existence of nonbinary genders? How can a human, cis or trans, not be male or female?

People who identify as non-binary exist and have varying degrees of cultural and social recognition throughout history. Gender being a social construct, that's pretty much all the evidence you need: self-identification and social and cultural recognition.

Gender isn't a social construct, if it were, the notion of being trans and having dysphoria would be false. You can't have gender dysphoria for something that doesn't exist objectively.

How then does the research into the structure of trans brain have relevancy if we're having discomfort (to put it mildly) about something that appearently doesn't exist?

[Liriena]

People who identify as non-binary exist and have varying degrees of cultural and social recognition throughout history. Gender being a social construct, that's pretty much all the evidence you need: self-identification and social and cultural recognition.

Gender isn't a social construct, if it were, the notion of being trans and having dysphoria would be false. You can't have gender dysphoria for something that doesn't exist objectively.

Gender being a social construct =/= gender does not objectively exist

Social contructs aren't simply abstract concepts stuck in the realm of ideas. They have material consequences. It's kind of clichéd to use this as a counter-argument... but money is a social construct too, yet you would never claim that it "doesn't exist objectively". It does and it affects our lives, despite not being a natural phenomenon.

How then does the research into the structure of trans brain have relevancy if we're having discomfort (to put it mildly) about something that appearently doesn't exist?

Umm... gender being a social construct doesn't mean there cannot possibly be any biological basis for being trans or having gender dysphoria. Much like the fact that categories like gay, bi and straight being socially constructed as well does not preclude the possibility for a biological basis to sexual orientation. The ways in which we humans choose to "artificially" categorize one another don't negate potential biological causes for the behaviors, experiences or inner workings of those we categorize.

[Liriena]

Gender isn't a social construct, if it were, the notion of being trans and having dysphoria would be false. You can't have gender dysphoria for something that doesn't exist objectively.

Gender being a social construct =/= gender does not objectively exist

Social contructs aren't simply abstract concepts stuck in the realm of ideas. They have material consequences. It's kind of clichéd to use this as a counter-argument... but money is a social construct too, yet you would never claim that it "doesn't exist objectively". It does and it affects our lives, despite not being a natural phenomenon.

How then does the research into the structure of trans brain have relevancy if we're having discomfort (to put it mildly) about something that appearently doesn't exist?

Umm... gender being a social construct doesn't mean there cannot possibly be any biological basis for being trans or having gender dysphoria. Much like the fact that categories like gay, bi and straight being socially constructed as well does not preclude the possibility for a biological basis to sexual orientation. The ways in which we humans choose to "artificially" categorize one another don't negate potential biological causes for the behaviors, experiences or inner workings of those we categorize.

To expand on this: womanhood is a social construct. Different societies tend to assign different preconceptions, customs and norms to womanhood. What we think women have to look like, how we think they have to act and think and dress, that is all socially constructed... and it exists. The overarching category for all of it we call womanhood, or femininity, and it's a socially constructed category, yet we can see it in real life all the time. We see it physically manifest itself.

[CITY18]

Gender isn't a social construct

Wrong. Though seeing as you didn't cite any sources (and because i've checked and read so many studies into this area of human biology) I'll let you google "Scientific papers on gender" and let you read them. If you're confused by the papers, that's okay because human biology is never clear cut.

if it were, the notion of being trans and having dysphoria would be false. You can't have gender dysphoria for something that doesn't exist objectively.

Like phytoestrogen, gender dysphoria is just a name used as a designation of this: "the condition of feeling one's emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex." Please read actual studies before you post unresearched opinions masked as arguments k thx.

How then does the research into the structure of trans brain have relevancy if we're having discomfort (to put it mildly) about something that appearently doesn't exist?

Because the human brain is incredibly complex and can form many seemingly impossible things. Ever heard of phantom limb syndrome, cognitive dissonance, the placebo effect, or hell even what happens to you when your born without a hemisphere of your brain? The last one I want to highlight especially, say you were born without the section of the brain containing the motor strip, someone who hasn't researched this would probably believe you wouldn't ever be able to coordinate and truly function but you can. Human biology, and neurology for that matter, is never clear cut. When you factor all this in it's not hard to see how gender dysphoria is possible.

If you have any scientific evidence to back up you claims i'll recuperate my own. You get out what you put in.

[Soyouso]

They were just trying to shut you down, telling you their rules! Don't have it, don't listen to a random user that can tell you what and what not to do! You know the rules, so keep arguing, keep at it! This is the beginning... I'm breaking the rules to help a friend out, even though we are very much strangers...

Every time this argument happens anywhere, the two extremes just take over and it goes nowhere.

[Veleth]

Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

http://muse.jhu.edu/article/222247

How do you explain societies where 3 genders is the accepted norm?

There's a reason why those societies are not successful.

[CITY18]

http://muse.jhu.edu/article/222247

How do you explain societies where 3 genders is the accepted norm?

There's a reason why those societies are not successful.

yea geographical and technological reasons.

that has no bearing on the above so please learn actual reasons why tribes fail instead of blaming a third gender and if you don't mean that, phrase your sentences better.

[Crazed Pirates]

Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

http://muse.jhu.edu/article/222247

How do you explain societies where 3 genders is the accepted norm?

Men hunt. Women breed. If you can't do either and never could, you're neither. Go and find something useful to do.

It's oversimplified, but it's not that far from being completely valid.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Everytime I try to have a genuine conversation about this subject people either don't take it seriously in the first place, ...

... Sorry if I sound salty, I just am and hate everyone right now.

Well, in all fairness at least identify your phantoms first! Do spend some time to read this well-researched article (though the author's reputation for ultra-feminism is at great odds with my own beliefs it's still a good read/exposé):

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

[Christienda]

Can I make my gender blueberry waffle?

Is that a valid gender?

Do you even know what gender is?

Can you not take a joke? Plus, gender is decided at birth and it determines your role in creating life. It is not a social construct nor is it disconnected from sex in any way

[Hatterleigh]

They can say they're whatever they want, as long as they don't take themselves seriously about it.

[Pope Joan]

I deny that you have the right to compel me to accept whatever gender du jour you have chosen for yourself.

[Hatterleigh]

Gender identity is an identity related to the state of being male or female. Actual gender identities will have something to do with gender.

That's a little close-minded. Fruits are symbolic of fertility, bringing to mind connotations of gentile femininity and childbirth. So one's gender identity being somewhat blueberry means their gender is like that of particularly small, pulpy fruits -- having a focus on that fertility and femininity without having it be an overbearing part of their personality.

Waffles are impossible to make without a waffle-maker, and waffle-makers can only make different kinds of waffles. Therefore identifying as a type of waffle is a recognition of one's uniqueness, and just as waffles need time and practice in order to create properly, one's personality must be developed and become richer over time.

So when Summertimequestionswine or anyone else says they identify as a blueberry waffle, please take a step back and consider what that really means before making that kind of insensitive comment.

Berries are plant eggs pretty much