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The Parkus Empire wrote:Species are not a social construct in the sense they cannot reproduce fertile offspring together. We did not construct that fact we just labeled it

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The Parkus Empire wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:Reminds me of my discussions (as a humanities major) with one of my friends (who's a hard science major) about how species are just social constructs but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Species are not a social construct in the sense they cannot reproduce fertile offspring together. We did not construct that fact we just labeled it

And that label was in turn created by us. We decided that species means that instead of a purple footed panda playing chess.

Puldania wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:Species are not a social construct in the sense they cannot reproduce fertile offspring together. We did not construct that fact we just labeled it

And that label was in turn created by us. We decided that species means that instead of a purple footed panda playing chess.

Yeah, we constructed the label; not what it signifies. Drop the pomo crap.

The Parkus Empire wrote:Yeah, we constructed the label; not what it signifies. Drop the pomo crap.

But species doesn't signify what you claim it does.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Puldania wrote:And that label was in turn created by us. We decided that species means that instead of a purple footed panda playing chess.

Yeah, we constructed the label; not what it signifies. Drop the pomo crap.

but to define what it signifies, we have to define definitions.

One of the first things learned when entering into an academic discipline is that it's like "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" It's all made up and the points don't matter. That being said, it is supremely satisfying to read about people with PhDs arguing over whether or not corvids are intelligent enough to utilize sticks as spears and where the line for tool use and spear really are.

Irona wrote:

Aillyria wrote:The idea of "postgender" is ridiculous unless we're talking about robots or transhumanism. A regular person, cis or trans is gendered....period. Your a male or a female.

Why? If gender is a mental/social state then there's no reason it should be defined by sex.

Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

Aillyria wrote:

Irona wrote:Why? If gender is a mental/social state then there's no reason it should be defined by sex.

Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

Mm, gender is a spectrum and a social construct, but I agree such concepts are overused and misapplied to suggest a kind of gender 'freedom' that doesn't exist.

Puldania wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:Yeah, we constructed the label; not what it signifies. Drop the pomo crap.

but to define what it signifies, we have to define definitions.

Therefore? Are you saying definitions can't describe, they can only construct?

Aillyria wrote:

Irona wrote:Why? If gender is a mental/social state then there's no reason it should be defined by sex.

Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

Well unfortunately for you, the gender spectrum was a accepted in psychology before tumblr was a thing, so...

My eternal rule. I don’t care, just don’t freak out at me until after you’ve explained what you’re pronouns and shit.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Puldania wrote:but to define what it signifies, we have to define definitions.

Therefore? Are you saying definitions can't describe, they can only construct?

What I'm saying is that it's stupid to get mad at people for putting your arbitrary ideals before theirs

Personally, I don't really give a shit. It's stupid, but as long as you don't try to force someone to use your proper pronouns or whatever the fuck, you have the right to do it.

The Parkus Empire wrote:We all know what gender dysphoria is: it is a medical condition where one's gender identity, which we now know to be hardwired, does not correlate with one's sex. This is a widely documented medical phenomenon.

I argue that postgenderism, "I'm my own gender, " or "no gender" has zero to do with this. Such positions have no medical support, and are basically "I'm a special snowflake, short and stout."

What are your opinions on "postgender" theory?

There is male and there is female thats it end of story you are not anything else you are just a person who has been on Tumblr just a tad bit too long and/or suffer from a mental illness.

Aillyria wrote:

Irona wrote:Why? If gender is a mental/social state then there's no reason it should be defined by sex.

Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

http://muse.jhu.edu/article/222247

How do you explain societies where 3 genders is the accepted norm?

Wysten wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:We all know what gender dysphoria is: it is a medical condition where one's gender identity, which we now know to be hardwired, does not correlate with one's sex. This is a widely documented medical phenomenon.

I argue that postgenderism, "I'm my own gender, " or "no gender" has zero to do with this. Such positions have no medical support, and are basically "I'm a special snowflake, short and stout."

What are your opinions on "postgender" theory?

There is male and there is female thats it end of story you are not anything else you are just a person who has been on Tumblr just a tad bit too long and/or suffer from a mental illness.

you should read up on psychology.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Aillyria wrote:Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

Mm, gender is a spectrum and a social construct, but I agree such concepts are overused and misapplied to suggest a kind of gender 'freedom' that doesn't exist.

The names/terms are a social contruction, not the reality they describe.....the star our planet orbits is there whether you call it "Sun" or "Sol".

Puldania wrote:

Aillyria wrote:Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

Well unfortunately for you, the gender spectrum was a accepted in psychology before tumblr was a thing, so...

Source please, or I call bullshit

Puldania wrote:

Wysten wrote: There is male and there is female thats it end of story you are not anything else you are just a person who has been on Tumblr just a tad bit too long and/or suffer from a mental illness.

you should read up on psychology.

Read up on what? Sources you provide I hope.

Wysten wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:We all know what gender dysphoria is: it is a medical condition where one's gender identity, which we now know to be hardwired, does not correlate with one's sex. This is a widely documented medical phenomenon.

I argue that postgenderism, "I'm my own gender, " or "no gender" has zero to do with this. Such positions have no medical support, and are basically "I'm a special snowflake, short and stout."

What are your opinions on "postgender" theory?

There is male and there is female thats it end of story you are not anything else you are just a person who has been on Tumblr just a tad bit too long and/or suffer from a mental illness.

I don't think it's completely fair to just dismiss it entirely. While I personally feel it's stupid, I guess I could see maybe 4 genders max: male, female, both, or neither, though "both" and "neither" are sort of stretching it imo. But I don't think there needs to be 76 (or however many now lol) of them and I don't think they each need different pronouns.

Puldania wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:Therefore? Are you saying definitions can't describe, they can only construct?

What I'm saying is that it's stupid to get mad at people for putting your arbitrary ideals before theirs

Sounds like an arbitrary ideal

I don't agree with this "theory", but people have the right to identify as something else. It only becomes a problem if others are forced to go along with it.

Aillyria wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:Mm, gender is a spectrum and a social construct, but I agree such concepts are overused and misapplied to suggest a kind of gender 'freedom' that doesn't exist.

The names/terms are a social contruction, not the reality they describe.....the star our planet orbits is there whether you call it "Sun" or "Sol".

Puldania wrote:Well unfortunately for you, the gender spectrum was a accepted in psychology before tumblr was a thing, so...

Source please, or I call bullshit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Trouble
forgive me for quoting wikipedia

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Puldania wrote:What I'm saying is that it's stupid to get mad at people for putting your arbitrary ideals before theirs

Sounds like an arbitrary ideal

exactly

The Parkus Empire wrote:What are your opinions on "postgender" theory?

We must release thousands of poor "Napoleongendered" individuals imprisoned in those so-called... No, I can't write this seriously, sorry.
I'm just a post-communist individual, whose views are coloured by a 70-year societal stasis, who believes that this "72 genders" and "every man a gender" claptrap works as good as free market in Russia (hint - it doesn't)

Wysten wrote:

Puldania wrote:you should read up on psychology.

Read up on what? Sources you provide I hope.

I'm sure a trip to your library could provide you with such wonders as even the archaic sigmund freud studies.