Postgender

[Alvecia]

And i believe that you're a racist

The fuck?

Oh didn't you know? Racism is defined as: "Not believing in Allah"
They changed it back on 30th Feb

[Ifreann]

The fuck?

Oh didn't you know? Racism is defined as: "Not believing in Allah"
They changed it back on 30th Feb

One of the more exciting meetings of the Grand Council of the English Language.

[R249]

An overwhelming majority of cars in the US is automatic; does it mean the manual ones need to be considered something else?

A definition should never exclude abnormalities, as defining them is part and parcel of defining a thing.


I believe that Allah does not exist.

And i believe that you're a racist

I see absolutely no reason to believe that he’s racist. I think that not everyone needs to have the same religion. While your point of view is relevant to the discussion, it’s understandable that religious arguments won’t convince someone who doesn’t actually follow that religion.

[Sovaal]

An overwhelming majority of cars in the US is automatic; does it mean the manual ones need to be considered something else?

A definition should never exclude abnormalities, as defining them is part and parcel of defining a thing.


I believe that Allah does not exist.

And i believe that you're a racist

That’s not racism.

[Harkback Union]

Postgender:

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[Unicornacoupia]

I believe that Allah (سبحانه وتعالى) created the man and woman, and that you can't change your gender, and also can't act like the opposite gender. For me, i think that for children until they reach the age of 12 is normal to act a bit like the opposite gender, but from that age that the man should act like a man, and a woman should act like a woman.

I think that you, Larin, are Transphobic. I'm not trying to be mean, but this is unjust!!!! It's SOOO rude to say that there are only 2 genders, and everyone should conform to gender roles. I'm a person who was assigned female at birth, but I now identify as Non-Binary. Are you going to be mean to me or hate me because of my chosen identity??? I hope that my story will help you understand how your opinion is yours, but is VERY VERY rude! When I read your post, I had to shut my computer to stop and think and NOT CRY, because I have struggled with gender dysphoria for a very long time, and you made me feel very uncomfortable.

[Aillyria]

I believe that Allah (سبحانه وتعالى) created the man and woman, and that you can't change your gender, and also can't act like the opposite gender. For me, i think that for children until they reach the age of 12 is normal to act a bit like the opposite gender, but from that age that the man should act like a man, and a woman should act like a woman.

I think that you, Larin, are Transphobic. I'm not trying to be mean, but this is unjust!!!! It's SOOO rude to say that there are only 2 genders, and everyone should conform to gender roles. I'm a person who was assigned female at birth, but I now identify as Non-Binary. Are you going to be mean to me or hate me because of my chosen identity??? I hope that my story will help you understand how your opinion is yours, but is VERY VERY rude! When I read your post, I had to shut my computer to stop and think and NOT CRY, because I have struggled with gender dysphoria for a very long time, and you made me feel very uncomfortable.

It isn't transphobic to believe in only two genders, I'm trans myself and I don't support the idea of this spectrum nonsense either. Where he has erred is that he states transfolk are "changing their gender" when that isn't the case.

[Petrolheadia]

I believe that Allah (سبحانه وتعالى) created the man and woman, and that you can't change your gender, and also can't act like the opposite gender. For me, i think that for children until they reach the age of 12 is normal to act a bit like the opposite gender, but from that age that the man should act like a man, and a woman should act like a woman.

I think that you, Larin, are Transphobic. I'm not trying to be mean, but this is unjust!!!! It's SOOO rude to say that there are only 2 genders, and everyone should conform to gender roles. I'm a person who was assigned female at birth, but I now identify as Non-Binary. Are you going to be mean to me or hate me because of my chosen identity??? I hope that my story will help you understand how your opinion is yours, but is VERY VERY rude! When I read your post, I had to shut my computer to stop and think and NOT CRY, because I have struggled with gender dysphoria for a very long time, and you made me feel very uncomfortable.

[Unicornacoupia]

I'm really not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, I just found that other user's post unnerving and sort of mean. Sorry!!

[Larin]

I believe that Allah (سبحانه وتعالى) created the man and woman, and that you can't change your gender, and also can't act like the opposite gender. For me, i think that for children until they reach the age of 12 is normal to act a bit like the opposite gender, but from that age that the man should act like a man, and a woman should act like a woman.

I think that you, Larin, are Transphobic. I'm not trying to be mean, but this is unjust!!!! It's SOOO rude to say that there are only 2 genders, and everyone should conform to gender roles. I'm a person who was assigned female at birth, but I now identify as Non-Binary. Are you going to be mean to me or hate me because of my chosen identity??? I hope that my story will help you understand how your opinion is yours, but is VERY VERY rude! When I read your post, I had to shut my computer to stop and think and NOT CRY, because I have struggled with gender dysphoria for a very long time, and you made me feel very uncomfortable.

It's not even transphobic, it's just how it basically works in my religion, and also my opinion

[Petrolheadia]

I'm really not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, I just found that other user's post unnerving and sort of mean. Sorry!!

People with hurt feelings don't tend to post memes or simply tell their thoughts.

[Alvecia]

I think that you, Larin, are Transphobic. I'm not trying to be mean, but this is unjust!!!! It's SOOO rude to say that there are only 2 genders, and everyone should conform to gender roles. I'm a person who was assigned female at birth, but I now identify as Non-Binary. Are you going to be mean to me or hate me because of my chosen identity??? I hope that my story will help you understand how your opinion is yours, but is VERY VERY rude! When I read your post, I had to shut my computer to stop and think and NOT CRY, because I have struggled with gender dysphoria for a very long time, and you made me feel very uncomfortable.

It's not even transphobic, it's just how it basically works in my religion, and also my opinion

I mean, the two aren't mutually exclusive

[R249]

I believe that Allah (سبحانه وتعالى) created the man and woman, and that you can't change your gender, and also can't act like the opposite gender. For me, i think that for children until they reach the age of 12 is normal to act a bit like the opposite gender, but from that age that the man should act like a man, and a woman should act like a woman.

I think that you, Larin, are Transphobic. I'm not trying to be mean, but this is unjust!!!! It's SOOO rude to say that there are only 2 genders, and everyone should conform to gender roles. I'm a person who was assigned female at birth, but I now identify as Non-Binary. Are you going to be mean to me or hate me because of my chosen identity??? I hope that my story will help you understand how your opinion is yours, but is VERY VERY rude! When I read your post, I had to shut my computer to stop and think and NOT CRY, because I have struggled with gender dysphoria for a very long time, and you made me feel very uncomfortable.

By saying there's only two genders, I think most of us are saying that the word "gender" should specifically apply to traditional anatomical differences between men and women - at the very least, I'm saying that. It's only a terminology difference, not a policy difference. There is no hatred involved whatsoever, and I do not expect you to conform to gender roles, nor do I expect you to act in any particular way. I generally don't place any value in conformity.

[Alvecia]

I think that you, Larin, are Transphobic. I'm not trying to be mean, but this is unjust!!!! It's SOOO rude to say that there are only 2 genders, and everyone should conform to gender roles. I'm a person who was assigned female at birth, but I now identify as Non-Binary. Are you going to be mean to me or hate me because of my chosen identity??? I hope that my story will help you understand how your opinion is yours, but is VERY VERY rude! When I read your post, I had to shut my computer to stop and think and NOT CRY, because I have struggled with gender dysphoria for a very long time, and you made me feel very uncomfortable.

By saying there's only two genders, I think most of us are saying that the word "gender" should specifically apply to traditional anatomical differences between men and women - at the very least, I'm saying that. It's only a terminology difference, not a policy difference. There is no hatred involved whatsoever, and I do not expect you to conform to gender roles, nor do I expect you to act in any particular way. I generally don't place any value in conformity.

There's already an anatomical term. Sex. if gender was also used anatomically then there'd be two word meaning the same thing

[R249]

By saying there's only two genders, I think most of us are saying that the word "gender" should specifically apply to traditional anatomical differences between men and women - at the very least, I'm saying that. It's only a terminology difference, not a policy difference. There is no hatred involved whatsoever, and I do not expect you to conform to gender roles, nor do I expect you to act in any particular way. I generally don't place any value in conformity.

There's already an anatomical term. Sex. if gender was also used anatomically then there'd be two word meaning the same thing

Yeah, and it's so problematic, isn't it? We must change the definition of comprehend so that it's not the same as understand! Change the definition of want so that it's not the same as desire!

...OK, being serious, we don't need a new term for what someone feels like because the term gender dysphoria already covers all we need. And the term gender identity only solidifies this, as it seems to be a word that undisputably covers someone's identification without implying that it matches actual reproductive anatomy.

Consider this - if we called people men and women based on their gender identity as well as their body shape, then we'd have two definitions of both terms, as well as many others, one based on a much stronger foundation than the other...

[Ra-Harakhte]

My partner's best friend is a trans man - he has typically 'masculine' mannerisms, looks male, has a beard, has a deep voice, likes stereotypically 'masculine' things. For all intents and purposes, to me he's male. I never met the skinny emo girl I see in old photos of them, I just know him as he is now. To say that he's a woman but his "gender identity" is male just seems peculiar, because outside of reproductive anatomy he's just as "manly" as plenty of the biological men I know.

Obviously we do need to differentiate terms between cultural roles and identity, and biological sex in some manner, medical reasons probably being the most important.

[R249]

My partner's best friend is a trans man - he has typically 'masculine' mannerisms, looks male, has a beard, has a deep voice, likes stereotypically 'masculine' things. For all intents and purposes, to me he's male. I never met the skinny emo girl I see in old photos of them, I just know him as he is now. To say that he's a woman but his "gender identity" is male just seems peculiar, because outside of reproductive anatomy he's just as "manly" as plenty of the biological men I know.

Obviously we do need to differentiate terms between cultural roles and identity, and biological sex in some manner, medical reasons probably being the most important.

So "gender role" could mean society's expectations and "gender identity" could represent...well, identity. If he/she is anatomically female, that is far more concrete than clothing and facial hair, and as far as I'm concerned, she's female. Your idea of "manly" is simply a cultural value, even if it has gender dysphoria to explain the discrepancy.

Realistically, I don't see why people have such a problem with referring to anatomically male people as male and anatomically female people as female. Most people agree that men and women are equal. So why is calling someone the "wrong" gender so horrible to so many people?

[Ifreann]

My partner's best friend is a trans man - he has typically 'masculine' mannerisms, looks male, has a beard, has a deep voice, likes stereotypically 'masculine' things. For all intents and purposes, to me he's male. I never met the skinny emo girl I see in old photos of them, I just know him as he is now. To say that he's a woman but his "gender identity" is male just seems peculiar, because outside of reproductive anatomy he's just as "manly" as plenty of the biological men I know.

Obviously we do need to differentiate terms between cultural roles and identity, and biological sex in some manner, medical reasons probably being the most important.

So "gender role" could mean society's expectations and "gender identity" could represent...well, identity. If he/she is anatomically female, that is far more concrete than clothing and facial hair, and as far as I'm concerned, she's female. Your idea of "manly" is simply a cultural value, even if it has gender dysphoria to explain the discrepancy.

Realistically, I don't see why people have such a problem with referring to anatomically male people as male and anatomically female people as female. Most people agree that men and women are equal. So why is calling someone the "wrong" gender so horrible to so many people?

I seem to recall that yesterday you were censoring curse words in any post you quoted, because leaving them uncensored would cause you a panic attack.

I would have thought that someone of such delicate sensibilities would have no trouble understanding that trans people feel bad when they're misgendered.

[The Rich Port]

We all know what gender dysphoria is: it is a medical condition where one's gender identity, which we now know to be hardwired, does not correlate with one's sex. This is a widely documented medical phenomenon.

I argue that postgenderism, "I'm my own gender, " or "no gender" has zero to do with this. Such positions have no medical support, and are basically "I'm a special snowflake, short and stout."

What are your opinions on "postgender" theory?

Fact of the matter is, academia is very slow on the uptake in many instances.

Psychology and science in general are ever-evolving fields.

I don't see why it matters what gender you are in broader society (as in, what job you get, whether you get it, who you vote for, whether you will buy a house or rent), but I am a heterosexual male, so I wouldn't really know.

It is important therefore to ask people who are actually not within the gender parameters to help understand them.

The human brain has always resisted attempts at understanding and classification.

[R249]

So "gender role" could mean society's expectations and "gender identity" could represent...well, identity. If he/she is anatomically female, that is far more concrete than clothing and facial hair, and as far as I'm concerned, she's female. Your idea of "manly" is simply a cultural value, even if it has gender dysphoria to explain the discrepancy.

Realistically, I don't see why people have such a problem with referring to anatomically male people as male and anatomically female people as female. Most people agree that men and women are equal. So why is calling someone the "wrong" gender so horrible to so many people?

I seem to recall that yesterday you were censoring curse words in any post you quoted, because leaving them uncensored would cause you a panic attack.

I would have thought that someone of such delicate sensibilities would have no trouble understanding that trans people feel bad when they're misgendered.

That's not the same thing. I hate bad words and would get a panic attack if I dared post one. I expect that much of myself. What you consider delicate is entirely subjective.

[Neutraligon]

I seem to recall that yesterday you were censoring curse words in any post you quoted, because leaving them uncensored would cause you a panic attack.

I would have thought that someone of such delicate sensibilities would have no trouble understanding that trans people feel bad when they're misgendered.

That's not the same thing. I hate bad words and would get a panic attack if I dared post one. I expect that much of myself. What you consider delicate is entirely subjective.

And trans individuals hate when you misgender them.

[R249]

That's not the same thing. I hate bad words and would get a panic attack if I dared post one. I expect that much of myself. What you consider delicate is entirely subjective.

And trans individuals hate when you misgender them.

My opposition to me saying something is different from someone else's opposition to me saying something. I'm just following what I think, and other people can follow what they think. And personal attacks should not be used as an answer to logical argument, especially since they are entirely subjective.

[Ifreann]

I seem to recall that yesterday you were censoring curse words in any post you quoted, because leaving them uncensored would cause you a panic attack.

I would have thought that someone of such delicate sensibilities would have no trouble understanding that trans people feel bad when they're misgendered.

That's not the same thing.

Certain words hurting your feelings is different from other words hurting other people's feelings? I don't see how.

[R249]

That's not the same thing.

Certain words hurting your feelings is different from other words hurting other people's feelings? I don't see how.

When I avoid quoting certain things, I am regulating my own use of words. If others get upset over my personal preference with wording, they’re trying to regulate someone else’s choice of words. And if I was in a private conversation with a transgender male who wanted me to avoid using male pronouns in the conversation, I would listen to him out of respect. But personally supporting anatomical definitions of gender - it’s just a personal viewpoint that I have a right to.

[Godular]

Certain words hurting your feelings is different from other words hurting other people's feelings? I don't see how.

When I avoid quoting certain things, I am regulating my own use of words. If others get upset over my personal preference with wording, they’re trying to regulate someone else’s choice of words. And if I was in a private conversation with a transgender male who wanted me to avoid using male pronouns in the conversation, I would listen to him out of respect. But personally supporting anatomical definitions of gender - it’s just a personal viewpoint that I have a right to.

Just use ‘they’.