Postgender

[Irona]

What are your opinions on "postgender" theory?

We must release thousands of poor "Napoleongendered" individuals imprisoned in those so-called... No, I can't write this seriously, sorry.
I'm just a post-communist individual, whose views are coloured by a 70-year societal stasis, who believes that this "72 genders" and "every man a gender" claptrap works as good as free market in Russia (hint - it doesn't)

Who are you to tell other people what works for them?

[Conserative Morality]

The names/terms are a social contruction, not the reality they describe.....the star our planet orbits is there whether you call it "Sun" or "Sol".

Mm, but what is the reality they describe? How many planets are there in the Solar System? What qualifies as a planet? Who decides this? I prefer Male/female/nonbinary, despite what some twits will tell you, the TRADITIONAL Western trifecta, but there are other cultures which define things differently. It's like qualifying A-K as the first part of the alphabet, and O-Z as the last, and L-M-N as a the middle. Sometimes L will be included with the first part or all three will be integrated in the larger two groupings. Maybe L M and N all have their own term in certain cultures. Etc etc.

Nonbinary individuals as we in the West would recognize them are extremely rare.

[Puldania]

The names/terms are a social contruction, not the reality they describe.....the star our planet orbits is there whether you call it "Sun" or "Sol".

Mm, but what is the reality they describe? How many planets are there in the Solar System? What qualifies as a planet? Who decides this? I prefer Male/female/nonbinary, despite what some twits will tell you, the TRADITIONAL Western trifecta, but there are other cultures which define things differently. It's like qualifying A-K as the first part of the alphabet, and O-Z as the last, and L-M-N as a the middle. Sometimes L will be included with the first part or all three will be integrated in the larger two groupings. Maybe L M and N all have their own term in certain cultures. Etc etc.

this guy gets it

[Neutraligon]

There is male and there is female thats it end of story you are not anything else you are just a person who has been on Tumblr just a tad bit too long and/or suffer from a mental illness.

I don't think it's completely fair to just dismiss it entirely. While I personally feel it's stupid, I guess I could see maybe 4 genders max: male, female, both, or neither, though "both" and "neither" are sort of stretching it imo. But I don't think there needs to be 76 (or however many now lol) of them and I don't think they each need different pronouns.

Hi I am neither. Let me explain. I was asked when I first started trying to understand people who where trans how I would feel if I woke up in a body of the opposite sex then my own. I thought about it for a bit and said, cool and I would have no issue. If people can feel gender dysphoria then it would also make sense that there are people who cannot feel gender dysphoria.

[Aillyria]

Per scientific research, individuals with dysphoria have brains aligning with those of the gender we identify with. Cisgendered people have the usual matching brain and body.

Trans people want to live as the gender we identify as and blend in as that in society. Our dysphoria is not a social construct, neither is the natural relationship between sex and gender. People are making dysphoria in to a trending fad, I find the notion of a "spectrum" or "gender is only a social construct" bit irritating and a mockery to the real plight of gender dysphoric people.

http://muse.jhu.edu/article/222247

How do you explain societies where 3 genders is the accepted norm?

I'm aware of that.

I'd like to read that article, is there a place I can see the whole thing? They would need to study the physiology of their brains, tbh.

[Thervingia]

Who fucking cares? This issue is absolutely ridiculous. Let madmen be madmen as long as they don't hurt anyone.

Not enough suffering is going on, so people invent issues just to occupy themselves. Absurd.

[Ifreann]

There can be some pretty far out variations in human sex. People with up to six sex chromosomes and what have you. So I find it hard to believe that gender, on the other hand, is a strict binary.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I don't think it's completely fair to just dismiss it entirely. While I personally feel it's stupid, I guess I could see maybe 4 genders max: male, female, both, or neither, though "both" and "neither" are sort of stretching it imo. But I don't think there needs to be 76 (or however many now lol) of them and I don't think they each need different pronouns.

Hi I am neither. Let me explain. I was asked when I first started trying to understand people who where trans how I would feel if I woke up in a body of the opposite sex then my own. I thought about it for a bit and said, cool and I would have no issue. If people can feel gender dysphoria then it would also make sense that there are people who cannot feel gender dysphoria.

Woah

[Nunavutialand]

There are two genders.
There are two sexes.
The only exception to this rule would be intersexuals or people born with deformed genitalia.

Biology is nature's law.

Well, that's my opinion at least.

[Skippityboobopistan]

I don't think it's completely fair to just dismiss it entirely. While I personally feel it's stupid, I guess I could see maybe 4 genders max: male, female, both, or neither, though "both" and "neither" are sort of stretching it imo. But I don't think there needs to be 76 (or however many now lol) of them and I don't think they each need different pronouns.

Hi I am neither. Let me explain. I was asked when I first started trying to understand people who where trans how I would feel if I woke up in a body of the opposite sex then my own. I thought about it for a bit and said, cool and I would have no issue. If people can feel gender dysphoria then it would also make sense that there are people who cannot feel gender dysphoria.

That's fair. I guess I was just looking at the "neither" idea from a different angle. Though I don't believe it should require its own pronouns or whatever.

[Irona]

http://muse.jhu.edu/article/222247

How do you explain societies where 3 genders is the accepted norm?

I'm aware of that.

I'd like to read that article, is there a place I can see the whole thing? They would need to study the physiology of their brains, tbh.

If your a student signing in via your institution might let you look, otherwise I don't know how without paying an exorbitant amount. The cost of accessing academic papers is ridiculous.

[Conserative Morality]

Hi I am neither. Let me explain. I was asked when I first started trying to understand people who where trans how I would feel if I woke up in a body of the opposite sex then my own. I thought about it for a bit and said, cool and I would have no issue. If people can feel gender dysphoria then it would also make sense that there are people who cannot feel gender dysphoria.

This sort of thing is precisely why devaluing these terms is dangerous.

[Puldania]

There are two genders.
There are two sexes.
The only exception to this rule would be intersexuals or people born with deformed genitalia.

Biology is nature's law.

Well, that's my opinion at least.

Biology is the study of nature as observed through human perspective, ie arbitrary.

[The Parkus Empire]

Sounds like an arbitrary ideal

exactly

And your ideal (everything is arbitrary, bro) is inimical to mine, therefore I am extremely hostile to it.

[Puldania]

exactly

And your ideal (everything is arbitrary, bro) is inimical to mine, therefore I am extremely hostile to it.

Aha! So you admit your intolerance!
I win.

[Internationalist Bastard]

There are two genders.
There are two sexes.
The only exception to this rule would be intersexuals or people born with deformed genitalia.

Biology is nature's law.

Well, that's my opinion at least.

Unfortunately for you, your science is wrong. Gender Dysphoria is a thing, and it makes sense greater and lesser degrees create genders that don’t fit the binary

[Rovikstead]

My opinions are simply my own ideas and are not substantiated with proven facts or science. I apologize to anyone who disagrees or is offended by my statements, but I do not believe that being transgender or being "born the wrong gender" is real. Regardless, I respect people's reassigned gender and pronouns.

However, I feel the main issue surrounding the creation of all these odd genders and the "gender is a spectrum" phenomenon is not feeling like you're a different gender entirely - but feeling uncomfortable with the expectations and standards of the gender role the person is assigned to. As a woman, I sometimes feel "masculine," in that I prefer video games over dolls, and a trashy $5 graphic t-shirt over a pretty, pink dress. Admittedly, at times, I struggled with my identity and occasionally even questioned my personal gender. Yet, in retrospect, my afflictions over gender identity had little to nothing to do with a disparity between my biological sex and my personal gender, but the narrow expectations of the female gender role.

[Neutraligon]

There are two genders.
There are two sexes.
The only exception to this rule would be intersexuals or people born with deformed genitalia.

Biology is nature's law.

Well, that's my opinion at least.

And what in biology says there are only 2 sexes and genders?

[Kasynatia]

This gender this gender that shit has gone way too far. All this "gender fluid" and similar identities aren't legitimate and resemble more of a personality type.

[Crazed Pirates]

We must release thousands of poor "Napoleongendered" individuals imprisoned in those so-called... No, I can't write this seriously, sorry.
I'm just a post-communist individual, whose views are coloured by a 70-year societal stasis, who believes that this "72 genders" and "every man a gender" claptrap works as good as free market in Russia (hint - it doesn't)

Who are you to tell other people what works for them?

I said what I BELIEVE in. Please don't make my words sound like what they aren't. Nobody likes people who does that. Probably.
Also, I'm a special leftist snowflake, which makes me more important than you[/sarcasm]

[Puldania]

My opinions are unsubstantiated so I apologize to anyone who disagrees or is offended by my statements, but I do not believe that being transgender or being "born the wrong gender" is real. Regardless, I have no problem in respecting people's reassigned gender and pronouns.

However, I feel the main issue surrounding the creation of all these odd genders and the "gender is a spectrum" phenomenon is not feeling like you're a different gender entirely - but feeling uncomfortable with the expectations and standards of the gender role the person is assigned to. As a woman, I sometimes feel "masculine," in that I prefer videogames over dolls, and a trashy $5 graphic t-shirt over a pretty, pink dress. Admittedly, at times, I struggled with my identity and occasionally even questioned my personal gender. Yet, in retrospect, my afflictions over gender identity had little to nothing to do with a disparity between my biological sex and my personal gender, but the narrow expectations of the female gender role.

Though I disagree, this was rather eloquently and considerately stated.

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't think it's completely fair to just dismiss it entirely. While I personally feel it's stupid, I guess I could see maybe 4 genders max: male, female, both, or neither, though "both" and "neither" are sort of stretching it imo. But I don't think there needs to be 76 (or however many now lol) of them and I don't think they each need different pronouns.

Hi I am neither. Let me explain. I was asked when I first started trying to understand people who where trans how I would feel if I woke up in a body of the opposite sex then my own. I thought about it for a bit and said, cool and I would have no issue. If people can feel gender dysphoria then it would also make sense that there are people who cannot feel gender dysphoria.

What treatment do you suggest for your condition? Or is it no big deal to you?

[Neutraligon]

Hi I am neither. Let me explain. I was asked when I first started trying to understand people who where trans how I would feel if I woke up in a body of the opposite sex then my own. I thought about it for a bit and said, cool and I would have no issue. If people can feel gender dysphoria then it would also make sense that there are people who cannot feel gender dysphoria.

This sort of thing is precisely why devaluing these terms is dangerous.

I am not sure I understand the purpose of this comment. Are you saying I am devaluing the terms, or is my experience why devaluing the terms is dangerous?

[Internationalist Bastard]

This gender this gender that shit has gone way too far. All this "gender fluid" and similar identities aren't legitimate and resemble more of a personality type.

Again, gender dysphoria proves gender fluidity

[Puldania]

Hi I am neither. Let me explain. I was asked when I first started trying to understand people who where trans how I would feel if I woke up in a body of the opposite sex then my own. I thought about it for a bit and said, cool and I would have no issue. If people can feel gender dysphoria then it would also make sense that there are people who cannot feel gender dysphoria.

What treatment do you suggest for your condition? Or is it no big deal to you?

What I ask you, is what method do you want to pursue to cure your straightness, or better yet, you cis-ness?