Should Felons be Allowed to Vote? Florida to Have Referendum

[San Lumen]

Ok and as iv'e explained to you your proposal to hold hearings for all of them is not feasible. What do you have against this referendum? Why shouldn't one be able to vote after serving time in prison? This amendment excludes those convicted of murder or sexual offenses.

Why isn't it feasible? You just ... hold a damn hearing ... the court system does that shit already...

It will give franchise to criminals, as I've stated, ad nauseum, to you, I have a problem with criminals receiving franchise.

Your talking about 1.5 million people in Florida? What would these hearings even entail, how would they prove their voting rights should be resorted?

What is your issue with giving those who served time in prison the right to vote? Many of those felony disenfranchisement effects are non white. Are you afraid of how they might vote?

[Telconi]

Why isn't it feasible? You just ... hold a damn hearing ... the court system does that shit already...

It will give franchise to criminals, as I've stated, ad nauseum, to you, I have a problem with criminals receiving franchise.

Your talking about 1.5 million people in Florida? What would these hearings even entail, how would they prove their voting rights should be resorted?

What is your issue with giving those who served time in prison the right to vote? Many of those felony disenfranchisement effects are non white. Are you afraid of how they might vote?

Annnnnd we've reached the part where the racist tries to fabricate racism...

Oh boy...

[New Emeline]

Your talking about 1.5 million people in Florida? What would these hearings even entail, how would they prove their voting rights should be resorted?

What is your issue with giving those who served time in prison the right to vote? Many of those felony disenfranchisement effects are non white. Are you afraid of how they might vote?

Annnnnd we've reached the part where the racist tries to fabricate racism...

Oh boy...

>get's upset about accusations of racism
>accuses someone of racism
(not saying San Lumen is right)

[San Lumen]

Your talking about 1.5 million people in Florida? What would these hearings even entail, how would they prove their voting rights should be resorted?

What is your issue with giving those who served time in prison the right to vote? Many of those felony disenfranchisement effects are non white. Are you afraid of how they might vote?

Annnnnd we've reached the part where the racist tries to fabricate racism...

Oh boy...

Its a fact. Answer the question i posed. Why shouldn't those who served in prison be able to vote other than they are criminals?

[Telconi]

Annnnnd we've reached the part where the racist tries to fabricate racism...

Oh boy...

Its a fact. Answer the question i posed. Why shouldn't those who served in prison be able to vote other than they are criminals?

No reason

[San Lumen]

Its a fact. Answer the question i posed. Why shouldn't those who served in prison be able to vote other than they are criminals?

No reason

Well thats not an answer .Because I said so isn't an argument

[Telconi]

No reason

Well thats not an answer .Because I said so isn't an argument

Well there isn't a reason other than the reason. It's a silly question, like asking "Why do we put thieves in jail, other than the thievery?"

[San Lumen]

Well thats not an answer .Because I said so isn't an argument

Well there isn't a reason other than the reason. It's a silly question, like asking "Why do we put thieves in jail, other than the thievery?"

Still not a valid answer to deny someone the right to vote after serving time in prison. Why should one mistake when your young mean you can never vote again?

[Telconi]

Well there isn't a reason other than the reason. It's a silly question, like asking "Why do we put thieves in jail, other than the thievery?"

Still not a valid answer to deny someone the right to vote after serving time in prison. Why should one mistake when your young mean you can never vote again?

Well I'm happy you think my answer is invalid, but that is just your opinion.

[New Emeline]

Still not a valid answer to deny someone the right to vote after serving time in prison. Why should one mistake when your young mean you can never vote again?

Well I'm happy you think my answer is invalid, but that is just your opinion.

[San Lumen]

Still not a valid answer to deny someone the right to vote after serving time in prison. Why should one mistake when your young mean you can never vote again?

Well I'm happy you think my answer is invalid, but that is just your opinion.

Its not an answer. Its just repeating the same thing over and over again without a valid backing to your argument. Why should one mistake mean you can never vote again?

[Telconi]

Well I'm happy you think my answer is invalid, but that is just your opinion.

Its not an answer. Its just repeating the same thing over and over again without a valid backing to your argument. Why should one mistake mean you can never vote again?

Why shouldn't it?

[San Lumen]

Its not an answer. Its just repeating the same thing over and over again without a valid backing to your argument. Why should one mistake mean you can never vote again?

Why shouldn't it?

Because many people serve their time and successfully turn things around. It makes no sense for them to be barred from voting permanently.

[Telconi]

Why shouldn't it?

Because many people serve their time and successfully turn things around. It makes no sense for them to be barred from voting permanently.

Which is just you saying that. In case you haven't noticed, that's the cool things about opinions, they aren't facts.

Also, for the record, statistically most of them do not turn things around.

[San Lumen]

Because many people serve their time and successfully turn things around. It makes no sense for them to be barred from voting permanently.

Which is just you saying that. In case you haven't noticed, that's the cool things about opinions, they aren't facts.

Also, for the record, statistically most of them do not turn things around.

But you've yet to provide a valid reason for why you;'d vote against this amendment other than they are felons or criminals. That's like many other arguments you make you just parrot the same thing over and over and dont give anything to back it up.

[Telconi]

Which is just you saying that. In case you haven't noticed, that's the cool things about opinions, they aren't facts.

Also, for the record, statistically most of them do not turn things around.

But you've yet to provide a valid reason for why you;'d vote against this amendment other than they are felons or criminals. That's like many other arguments you make you just parrot the same thing over and over and dont give anything to back it up.

I'm happy with your continued assertion that my opinions are somehow invalid, but, as previously stated, they're just opinions. The fact that felons have been convicted of a felony is reason enough to deprive them of franchise, and it shouldn't be restored unless they prove that they deserve it back.

[San Lumen]

But you've yet to provide a valid reason for why you;'d vote against this amendment other than they are felons or criminals. That's like many other arguments you make you just parrot the same thing over and over and dont give anything to back it up.

I'm happy with your continued assertion that my opinions are somehow invalid, but, as previously stated, they're just opinions. The fact that felons have been convicted of a felony is reason enough to deprive them of franchise, and it shouldn't be restored unless they prove that they deserve it back.

No it isn't and how would they prove it?

[Telconi]

I'm happy with your continued assertion that my opinions are somehow invalid, but, as previously stated, they're just opinions. The fact that felons have been convicted of a felony is reason enough to deprive them of franchise, and it shouldn't be restored unless they prove that they deserve it back.

No it isn't and how would they prove it?

Sure it is. And a hearing, as previously mentioned.

[San Lumen]

No it isn't and how would they prove it?

Sure it is. And a hearing, as previously mentioned.

And how would they prove it at this hearing which i already said isn't feasible to do for 1.5 million people.

[NeoOasis]

No it isn't and how would they prove it?

Sure it is. And a hearing, as previously mentioned.

As mentioned previously. 1.5 million felons is going to overload the system. It's simply not practical.

[Telconi]

Sure it is. And a hearing, as previously mentioned.

As mentioned previously. 1.5 million felons is going to overload the system. It's simply not practical.

Well for starters, at least 40ish percent of people don't participate in elections. So a good chunk likely wouldn't even bother to get the rights restored.

Secondly, the system can be expanded. I mean, the state processes millions of driver's licenses, welfare applications, and various other issues.

[Telconi]

Sure it is. And a hearing, as previously mentioned.

And how would they prove it at this hearing which i already said isn't feasible to do for 1.5 million people.

Employment, relocation, recovery programs, probation compliance, and various other factors could be measured by some standard metric.

[Ifreann]

Yes, because they can already run for office, so why can't they vote?

They shouldn't be able to do either, at least without being out of prison for a while

Why not? Maybe their imprisonment is unjust, or their treatment in prison. Valuable political change could come from electing people from prison.

[San Lumen]

And how would they prove it at this hearing which i already said isn't feasible to do for 1.5 million people.

Employment, relocation, recovery programs, probation compliance, and various other factors could be measured by some standard metric.

and you do know its very hard for many felons to get jobs and other services but thats a thread in itself.

[Mujahidah]

They shouldn't be able to do either, at least without being out of prison for a while

Why not? Maybe their imprisonment is unjust, or their treatment in prison. Valuable political change could come from electing people from prison.

We cannot be sure that they are proper members of society unless they demonstrate as such first. As far as we know, the person coming out is still a hardened criminal on the fast track right on back. Do you want us to elect some one like that?