Should Felons be Allowed to Vote? Florida to Have Referendum

by **Ifreann** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:39 am

Gospel Power wrote:No, they should be excuted

Nah.

by **Vivida Vis Animi** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:05 am

Gospel Power wrote:No, they should be excuted

A thought so provoking he said it twice, but couldn't be bothered to spell it right either time.

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:24 pm

Gospel Power wrote:No, they should be excuted

Um how about no. Try giving a better answer

by **Telconi** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:34 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Indeed, point being that thegovernment can and does limit suffrage for various reasons.

Some of those reasons are outdated while others are effectively "because they are statistically more likely to vote for the other guy."

Them damn two year old's with their unacceptable opinions!

by **Telconi** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:37 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Because you can't be certain that they are reformed when they come out of prison.

If someone can be permitted to freely walk the streets, what danger do you anticipate from that person walking into a polling place and casting a vote?

Datlofff wrote:
From a mathematical point of view, if you, yourself, was never aloud to vote for the rest of your life, it wouldn't do much to effect your life. Your single life, and your single vote are mathematically worthless, the only time your vote mattress when you can be apart of a group of many votes, in which case you are just a piece of a whole. A single person not being able to vote is meaningless.

It rather is meaningful if the government is arbitrarily disenfranchising people.

Criminal punishments aren't arbitrary though, we aren't talking about randomly disenfranchising people ofd the street, we're talking about people who have commited, and then been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, of a crime considered worthy of classifying as the highest category of crimes...

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:41 pm

Telconi wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Some of those reasons are outdated while others are effectively "because they are statistically more likely to vote for the other guy."

Them damn two year old's with their unacceptable opinions!

again thats a stupid argument

by **Telconi** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Them damn two year old's with their unacceptable opinions!

again thats a stupid argument

According to you.

by **NeoOasis** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:47 pm

Mujahidah wrote:Fellons in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote. There should be a time period after they are released in which they cannot vote either. Say 10 years. If they reoffend during that period, they will go back to prison, naturally, and thus not be able to vote again, and the period resets.

Ten years is a pretty long time to reintegrate into society. I'd say five years should be more than long enough to relapse or find a job and become a productive member of society. Though there are other problems there. Though I don't disagree with you on the basic idea here.

by **Spodehaven** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:50 pm

Yes, because they can already run for office, so why can't they vote?

by **Spodehaven** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:00 pm

Yes, because they can already run for office, so why can't they vote?

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:again thats a stupid argument

According to you.

So what is your issue with felons voting then?

by **Mujahidah** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:02 pm

Spodehaven wrote:Yes, because they can already run for office, so why can't they vote?

They shouldn't be able to do either, at least without being out of prison for a while

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:03 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Spodehaven wrote:Yes, because they can already run for office, so why can't they vote?

They shouldn't be able to do either, at least without being out of prison for a while

Why not? Should the mayor of Bridgeport, Connecticut be removed from office because he's a ex-felon? He served his time and the people elected him mayor for another term.

by **Mujahidah** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
They shouldn't be able to do either, at least without being out of prison for a while

Why not? Should the mayor of Bridgeport, Connecticut be removed from office because he's a ex-felon? He served his time and the people elected him mayor for another term.

You shouldn't be able to be elected to office while in Prison, for one.

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:06 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why not? Should the mayor of Bridgeport, Connecticut be removed from office because he's a ex-felon? He served his time and the people elected him mayor for another term.

You shouldn't be able to be elected to office while in Prison, for one.

Joe Ganim wasn't elected from prison. I dont think any state allows that. He resigned from office served his time and then was elected to another term in office after being released from prison.

by **Spodehaven** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:09 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Spodehaven wrote:Yes, because they can already run for office, so why can't they vote?

They shouldn't be able to do either, at least without being out of prison for a while

Check out Don Blankenship. He is gonna run for WV senator even though his greed caused him to kill a bucnh of people by intentionally running an unsafe coal mine. Now he's trying to bash on our current politicians and say he's always had the people of WV in his heart.

by **Telconi** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
According to you.

So what is your issue with felons voting then?

The felon part...

by **Mujahidah** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
You shouldn't be able to be elected to office while in Prison, for one.

Joe Ganim wasn't elected from prison. I dont think any state allows that. He resigned from office served his time and then was elected to another term in office after being released from prison.

I don't believe that someone should be able to be elected to office immediately out of prison. They should have to wait.

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:18 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So what is your issue with felons voting then?

The felon part...

thats not an answer. Why should having served time in prison bar you from voting?

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:19 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Joe Ganim wasn't elected from prison. I dont think any state allows that. He resigned from office served his time and then was elected to another term in office after being released from prison.

I don't believe that someone should be able to be elected to office immediately out of prison. They should have to wait.

well to clarify he didn't run immediately after. He was released in 2010 and ran in 2015 however there was no state law im aware of that said he had to wait.

by **Mujahidah** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The felon part...

thats not an answer. Why should having served time in prison bar you from voting?

I've said this numerous times. Because when you come out it is not immediately known if you are reformed. You should wait, and after that period, if you haven't reoffended and returned to prison, we can be reasonably certain you have successfully reentered society.

by **Telconi** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The felon part...

thats not an answer. Why should having served time in prison bar you from voting?

They've proven themselves irresponsible.

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
thats not an answer. Why should having served time in prison bar you from voting?

They've proven themselves irresponsible.

So anyone who serves time in prison regardless of the crime should not be allowed to vote ever? Even if they successfully turn things around?

by **Telconi** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
They've proven themselves irresponsible.

So anyone who serves time in prison regardless of the crime should not be allowed to vote ever? Even if they successfully turn things around?

I never said that, in fact I've stated more than once, in this thread, that they should have their right's restored if they prove themselves to now be responsible

by **San Lumen** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So anyone who serves time in prison regardless of the crime should not be allowed to vote ever? Even if they successfully turn things around?

I never said that, in fact I've stated more than once, in this thread, that they should have their right's restored if they prove themselves to now be responsible

And how do they prove that?

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