Should Felons be Allowed to Vote? Florida to Have Referendum

[San Lumen]

Who decides who can vote then?

Who decided that people under 18 shouldn't vote?

Those elected to office.

[Aqua Water]

It is basic Democracy

[Ifreann]

Who decides who can vote then?

Who decided that people under 18 shouldn't vote?

The states? I forget how your amendments work.

[Farnhamia]

Who decided that people under 18 shouldn't vote?

The states? I forget how your amendments work.

At least 2/3 of both houses of Congress pass a proposed amendment, which then goes to the states, of which you need 3/4 (38 of 50). Not sure if the Pres has to sign off or not.

[Ostroeuropa]

Serving time?
Dunno. Time served? Ofcourse, except perhaps for bribery, vote rigging, treason, etc, crimes that should carry the civil death penalty.

[San Lumen]

The states? I forget how your amendments work.

At least 2/3 of both houses of Congress pass a proposed amendment, which then goes to the states, of which you need 3/4 (38 of 50). Not sure if the Pres has to sign off or not.

The president has nothing to do with an amendment. Abraham Lincoln insisted on signing the 13th Amendment before it went to the states. Congress passed a resolution after affirming that a Presidential signature was unnecessary.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

At least 2/3 of both houses of Congress pass a proposed amendment, which then goes to the states, of which you need 3/4 (38 of 50). Not sure if the Pres has to sign off or not.

The president has nothing to do with an amendment. Abraham Lincoln insisted on signing the 13th Amendment before it went to the states. Congress passed a resolution after affirming that a Presidential signature was unnecessary.

Y'know, back in the day, high school students were able to recite Article 5 of the US Constitution at the gunpoint of SS officers during interrogation... in German.

[Telconi]

Who decided that people under 18 shouldn't vote?

Those elected to office.

Indeed, point being that thegovernment can and does limit suffrage for various reasons.

[Mujahidah]

Fellons in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote. There should be a time period after they are released in which they cannot vote either. Say 10 years. If they reoffend during that period, they will go back to prison, naturally, and thus not be able to vote again, and the period resets.

[San Lumen]

Fellons in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote. There should be a time period after they are released in which they cannot vote either. Say 10 years. If they reoffend during that period, they will go back to prison, naturally, and thus not be able to vote again, and the period resets.

ten years is to long. Why not after their sentence ends.

[Mujahidah]

Fellons in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote. There should be a time period after they are released in which they cannot vote either. Say 10 years. If they reoffend during that period, they will go back to prison, naturally, and thus not be able to vote again, and the period resets.

ten years is to long. Why not after their sentence ends.

Because you can't be certain that they are reformed when they come out of prison.

[Genivaria]

Those elected to office.

Indeed, point being that thegovernment can and does limit suffrage for various reasons.

Some of those reasons are outdated while others are effectively "because they are statistically more likely to vote for the other guy."

[San Lumen]

ten years is to long. Why not after their sentence ends.

Because you can't be certain that they are reformed when they come out of prison.

Then they go back to prison. There shouldnt be a waiting period.

[Genivaria]

ten years is to long. Why not after their sentence ends.

Because you can't be certain that they are reformed when they come out of prison.

Not when you run prisons like the US does, our prison entrances have revolving doors.

[San Lumen]

Because you can't be certain that they are reformed when they come out of prison.

Not when you run prisons like the US does, our prison entrances have revolving doors.

well then perhaps thats a problem with the justice system and prison system. It doesnt mean someone who did their time in prison should be permanently barred from voting. Serving time in prison not along means you can't vote it also makes it very hard to get employment.

[Mujahidah]

Because you can't be certain that they are reformed when they come out of prison.

Then they go back to prison. There shouldnt be a waiting period.

During the time between being out of prison and recommittal they could vote though, meaning an unreformed felon voted.

[San Lumen]

Then they go back to prison. There shouldnt be a waiting period.

During the time between being out of prison and recommittal they could vote though, meaning an unreformed felon voted.

so? Maybe we should fix the system so its easier to get a job after prison and rejoin society. Perhaps that's part of the problem for a high rate of recidivism.

[Mujahidah]

During the time between being out of prison and recommittal they could vote though, meaning an unreformed felon voted.

so? Maybe we should fix the system so its easier to get a job after prison and rejoin society. Perhaps that's part of the problem for a high rate of recidivism.

If they vote without being determined to reintegrate then we have criminal minds voting. I'm pretty sure not being able to vote doesn't preclude someone from rejoining society, otherwise the majority would be outside of American society.

[San Lumen]

so? Maybe we should fix the system so its easier to get a job after prison and rejoin society. Perhaps that's part of the problem for a high rate of recidivism.

If they vote without being determined to reintegrate then we have criminal minds voting. I'm pretty sure not being able to vote doesn't preclude someone from rejoining society, otherwise the majority would be outside of American society.

I think a lot want to reintegrate but many hurdles make it hard to do so. not being allowed to vote is one among many.

[Mujahidah]

If they vote without being determined to reintegrate then we have criminal minds voting. I'm pretty sure not being able to vote doesn't preclude someone from rejoining society, otherwise the majority would be outside of American society.

I think a lot want to reintegrate but many hurdles make it hard to do so. not being allowed to vote is one among many.

Not being allowed to vote is not a hurdle to reintegrating. It doesn't affect your daily life. It doesn't affect your job. It doesn't affect your home or family. You can be a part of society without voting.

[San Lumen]

I think a lot want to reintegrate but many hurdles make it hard to do so. not being allowed to vote is one among many.

Not being allowed to vote is not a hurdle to reintegrating. It doesn't affect your daily life. It doesn't affect your job. It doesn't affect your home or family. You can be a part of society without voting.

It can in a way.

[Datlofff]

Not being allowed to vote is not a hurdle to reintegrating. It doesn't affect your daily life. It doesn't affect your job. It doesn't affect your home or family. You can be a part of society without voting.

It can in a way.

From a mathematical point of view, if you, yourself, was never aloud to vote for the rest of your life, it wouldn't do much to effect your life. Your single life, and your single vote are mathematically worthless, the only time your vote mattress when you can be apart of a group of many votes, in which case you are just a piece of a whole. A single person not being able to vote is meaningless.

[Ifreann]

ten years is to long. Why not after their sentence ends.

Because you can't be certain that they are reformed when they come out of prison.

If someone can be permitted to freely walk the streets, what danger do you anticipate from that person walking into a polling place and casting a vote?

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It can in a way.

From a mathematical point of view, if you, yourself, was never aloud to vote for the rest of your life, it wouldn't do much to effect your life. Your single life, and your single vote are mathematically worthless, the only time your vote mattress when you can be apart of a group of many votes, in which case you are just a piece of a whole. A single person not being able to vote is meaningless.

It rather is meaningful if the government is arbitrarily disenfranchising people.

[Gospel Power]

No, they should be excuted

[Gospel Power]

No, they should be excuted