Should Felons be Allowed to Vote? Florida to Have Referendum

[Deads Heads]

Stop hating democracy so much, Telconi. Nobody wants your snobbyass radical centrist aristocracy with apartheid from the deplorables of your choice.


And don't project your own martyrdom onto othersas you find out people don't find any sense in your arguments. It's pathetic.

No.

Okay, but it'll only end up badly for you in the long run not to support democracy. You might piss off the demos.

Really? NOBODY? Seems unlikely that you speak for every person.

Unlikely yet not impossible.

When has he said he doesn't find sense in my argument? He hasn't even yet registered it as an argument...

Which means I grossly overestimated your arguments by thinking they were arguments. My mistake.

[Telconi]

No.

Really? NOBODY? Seems unlikely that you speak for every person.

When has he said he doesn't find sense in my argument? He hasn't even yet registered it as an argument...

You don't debate you just give one sentence replies. Saying someone shouldn't serve as mayor or should not vote because they are a felon isn't a answer. What's your basis for that statement?

Go back through the thread and find all the times I'be explained it if you care so much...

[Telconi]

No.

Okay, but it'll only end up badly for you in the long run not to support democracy. You might piss off the demos.

Really? NOBODY? Seems unlikely that you speak for every person.

Unlikely yet not impossible.

When has he said he doesn't find sense in my argument? He hasn't even yet registered it as an argument...

Which means I grossly overestimated your arguments by thinking they were arguments. My mistake.

What? How could this end badly for me?

Actually it is impossible...

[San Lumen]

You don't debate you just give one sentence replies. Saying someone shouldn't serve as mayor or should not vote because they are a felon isn't a answer. What's your basis for that statement?

Go back through the thread and find all the times I'be explained it if you care so much...

No all you said was someone is felon therefore they should not serve in elected office or be allowed to vote. thats not a argument. That's on the lines of because i said so.

[Deads Heads]

What? How could this end badly for me?

Many ways. The demos deciding anti-democratic elements should be removed from it so as not to turn against itself, coming to your house and chopping your head off Robespierre style being one of them. Better keep tabs on what the demos thinks before making a mistake. Besides, in people getting their just desserts land, it ends up in you being alienated from any democracy supporters (most people) and instead socializing with the likes of anarcho-capitalists, monarchists and fascists. You better be ready to assimilate, tolerate or change your ways, cuz otherwise this loop is gonna last forever in people getting their just desserts land. The worst you'll probably get is not being taken seriously with a kind "that's nice" on the side everyone acting as your grandma because they think you don't know any better and that you'll grow out of it some day. Then you join the ancaps and fashies.

Actually it is impossible...

Prove it then.

[Neutraligon]

So then why isn't China and Russia full of terrorists?

Because they vote in China and Russia too, you know.

Looks at all the independence movements and fights against Chinese authority.

[Telconi]

Go back through the thread and find all the times I'be explained it if you care so much...

No all you said was someone is felon therefore they should not serve in elected office or be allowed to vote. thats not a argument. That's on the lines of because i said so.

It's a subjective opinion, frankly it all boils down to "because I said so" or more accurately "because I think so"

[Kubumba Tribe]

Because they vote in China and Russia too, you know.

Looks at all the independence movements and fights against Chinese authority.

[Deads Heads]

Because they vote in China and Russia too, you know.

Looks at all the independence movements and fights against Chinese authority.

Thanks, Batman. So to return to the reason of Russia and China not being full of terrorists, they are, IM.

[San Lumen]

No all you said was someone is felon therefore they should not serve in elected office or be allowed to vote. thats not a argument. That's on the lines of because i said so.

It's a subjective opinion, frankly it all boils down to "because I said so" or more accurately "because I think so"

So all you'd got for anyone argument is I think so therefore it is so. Thats a great argument. You should run for state legislature with that and when someone asks you in debate or public forum to defend your position simply say because I said so.

[Infected Mushroom]

Because they vote in China and Russia too, you know.

Looks at all the independence movements and fights against Chinese authority.

Aside from a few fringe groups, most of the people stand behind Russia and China. Voting not necessary for the people to support their government. It’s just western propaganda.

[Neutraligon]

Looks at all the independence movements and fights against Chinese authority.

Aside from a few fringe groups, most of the people stand behind Russia and China. Voting not necessary for the people to support their government. It’s just western propaganda.

That is simply factually incorrect when it comes to China. I don't know enough about Russia to say anything about it.

[Infected Mushroom]

Aside from a few fringe groups, most of the people stand behind Russia and China. Voting not necessary for the people to support their government. It’s just western propaganda.

That is simply factually incorrect when it comes to China. I don't know enough about Russia to say anything about it.

http://www.inpraiseofchina.com/is-the-c ... t-popular/

The Chinese government is popular with the Chinese, despite not being able to vote. And it shouldn't surprise anyone since their economy is doing so well and the perception is that there is a lot of economic progress.

You don't need to be able to vote for the people to support your government, you just have to do a good job. Also, you don't have a population of "terrorists" just because there isn't a right to vote.

[San Lumen]

That is simply factually incorrect when it comes to China. I don't know enough about Russia to say anything about it.

http://www.inpraiseofchina.com/is-the-c ... t-popular/

The Chinese government is popular with the Chinese, despite not being able to vote. And it shouldn't surprise anyone since their economy is doing so well and the perception is that there is a lot of economic progress.

You don't need to be able to vote for the people to support your government, you just have to do a good job. Also, you don't have a population of "terrorists" just because there isn't a right to vote.

You've still yet to explain why you think this referendum should be voted down. I support the notion of prisoners not being allowed to vote but why should someone whose served their time and not gone back to prison be barred from elected office or voting?

[Infected Mushroom]

http://www.inpraiseofchina.com/is-the-c ... t-popular/

The Chinese government is popular with the Chinese, despite not being able to vote. And it shouldn't surprise anyone since their economy is doing so well and the perception is that there is a lot of economic progress.

You don't need to be able to vote for the people to support your government, you just have to do a good job. Also, you don't have a population of "terrorists" just because there isn't a right to vote.

You've still yet to explain why you think this referendum should be voted down. I support the notion of prisoners not being allowed to vote but why should someone whose served their time and not gone back to prison be barred from elected office or voting?

because they have a demonstrated record for disrepect for the law and have a statistically increased probability of demonstrating said behaviour again in the future; hence it becomes unfair for society to award them the same power to indirectly create laws that is granted to actual law abiding citizens

[San Lumen]

You've still yet to explain why you think this referendum should be voted down. I support the notion of prisoners not being allowed to vote but why should someone whose served their time and not gone back to prison be barred from elected office or voting?

because they have a demonstrated record for disrepect for the law and have a statistically increased probability of demonstrating said behaviour again in the future; hence it becomes unfair for society to award them the same power to indirectly create laws that is granted to actual law abiding citizens

So a person who committed one crime and served their time in prison should be barred from voting for the rest of their days?

[Infected Mushroom]

because they have a demonstrated record for disrepect for the law and have a statistically increased probability of demonstrating said behaviour again in the future; hence it becomes unfair for society to award them the same power to indirectly create laws that is granted to actual law abiding citizens

So a person who committed one crime and served their time in prison should be barred from voting for the rest of their days?

Yes.

[San Lumen]

So a person who committed one crime and served their time in prison should be barred from voting for the rest of their days?

Yes.

why?

[Infected Mushroom]

Yes.

why?

Because they have demonstrated disrespect for the law. And voting is an indirect way to create laws.

[San Lumen]

why?

Because they have demonstrated disrespect for the law. And voting is an indirect way to create laws.

So one mistake means you can never vote again? Great logic there. Though you see voting as pointless so you'd be content with no elections at all and just have absolute monarchy.

[Infected Mushroom]

Because they have demonstrated disrespect for the law. And voting is an indirect way to create laws.

So one mistake means you can never vote again? Great logic there. Though you see voting as pointless so you'd be content with no elections at all and just have absolute monarchy.

Crime is not a mistake, its a choice.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

So one mistake means you can never vote again? Great logic there. Though you see voting as pointless so you'd be content with no elections at all and just have absolute monarchy.

Crime is not a mistake, its a choice.

They are not mutually exclusive lol. In fact, the definition of mistake is dependent on a choice being made.

mis·take
məˈstāk
noun
1.
an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.

[Neutraligon]

That is simply factually incorrect when it comes to China. I don't know enough about Russia to say anything about it.

http://www.inpraiseofchina.com/is-the-c ... t-popular/

The Chinese government is popular with the Chinese, despite not being able to vote. And it shouldn't surprise anyone since their economy is doing so well and the perception is that there is a lot of economic progress.

You don't need to be able to vote for the people to support your government, you just have to do a good job. Also, you don't have a population of "terrorists" just because there isn't a right to vote.

Why should I trust the sight you linked? Also, there are elections in China, you are aware of that right (also in Russia)? And I note once again there are multiple groups actively trying to fight the government one was linked earlier in this very thread. You have shifted your claim which was that China and Russia do not have terrorists.

[Neutraligon]

So one mistake means you can never vote again? Great logic there. Though you see voting as pointless so you'd be content with no elections at all and just have absolute monarchy.

Crime is not a mistake, its a choice.

Funny since I have accidentally committed a crime. Namely I used to study in a book store after school during high school. Once I finished I would read in their cafe. Once I forgot that I had a book with me when I put it with a pile of my own books, and walked out the store with it. I committed the crime of shoplifting accidentally (I realized I had the book 3-4 blocks away and went back to pay for it, but until I returned to pay for it I had committed a crime).

[Infected Mushroom]

Crime is not a mistake, its a choice.

Funny since I have accidentally committed a crime. Namely I used to study in a book store after school during high school. Once I finished I would read in their cafe. Once I forgot that I had a book with me when I put it with a pile of my own books, and walked out the store with it. I committed the crime of shoplifting accidentally (I realized I had the book 3-4 blocks away and went back to pay for it, but until I returned to pay for it I had committed a crime).

If you're not a convicted felon, then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (and so should the system).