Should Felons be Allowed to Vote? Florida to Have Referendum

[Telconi]

marijuana shouldnt be illegal. and that's the very point of this. Why should someone be barred from voting permanently for a minor drug offense? And this amendment doesn't give current inmates the right to vote?

Exactly. This isn't going to lead to politicians who want to legalize rape and murder. This is going to lead to politicians who are going to try to legalize minor offenses like drugs, and make the prison system better.

Except people who have smoked pot already get to vote.

[Conservative Values]

People who committed violent crimes should not regain the right to vote.

No longer feasible to keep you locked up =/= paid for past mistakes. Especially when we release people early to reduce overcrowding fairly often. Rapists have never made up for their past actions. Murderers have never made up for their past actions.

If it has been proven you've made a conscious decision to rob someone else of their rights, I have no sympathy the consequence is permanently losing some of yours. You can't give back what you took away, why should anyone give back to you?

Now if it is a non-violent crime / victim-less crime, then I'm more on board. But now is not the time for a Harvey Weinstein Suffrage Amendment.

Did you read the article or OP? those guilty of murder or violent sex crimes are exempt from the amendment.

That's literally all it says so I was being dramatic. But no - that's definitely not all the violent crime in the world. Armed robbers, kidnappers, people who failed to kill their victims... This one's for you!

[Salandriagado]

Why? Saying "it's bad because I say it is" isn't an argument.

As much of an argument as "It's good because I say it is"

Except that isn't an argument that anybody has made.

[Pilarcraft]

As much of an argument as "It's good because I say it is"

Except that isn't an argument that anybody has made.

well, "many people say we should do it, so let's do it" is the essential basis of democracy isn't it?

[Telconi]

As much of an argument as "It's good because I say it is"

Except that isn't an argument that anybody has made.

It's an argument everybody has made. That''s the whole point, you can explain why you think it's a good idea, but in the end every position boils down to "because I think so"

[Internationalist Bastard]

Exactly. This isn't going to lead to politicians who want to legalize rape and murder. This is going to lead to politicians who are going to try to legalize minor offenses like drugs, and make the prison system better.

Except people who have smoked pot already get to vote.

And? My point isn't changed. People aren't gonna vote to tear down prisons an start the purge. At most this will lead to people not going to jail for doing cocaine, and that's like, the extreme end of it.

[Arlenton]

Elected officials made it that way. If people don't like it, they elect other representatives who agree with them, which they have in some cases and in many others they have not.

Ok.....you do realize elected officials do their own thing right? They don't have to do anything, and sometimes even if they want to they can't.

Elected officials are representative of their voters. If enough voters wanted something, it would happen. Obviously not enough voters want this because look at the elected officials.

[Skyhooked]

Ok.....you do realize elected officials do their own thing right? They don't have to do anything, and sometimes even if they want to they can't.

Elected officials are representative of their voters. If enough voters wanted something, it would happen. Obviously not enough voters want this because look at the elected officials.

Of course, of course, all ya' have to do is chose your representative. We all know, that representatives are honest as hell, and will never cheat you. And if one of them does, he will commit sepukku.

Representatives serve only one function, carry out will of their superiors, and disguise oligarchy as democracy. Sad but true. So all you can do with that form of democracy, is give your vote to some stranger, and pray, that he has conscience.

[Thermodolia]

Ya no.

Why not? In particular, why should governments be able to disenfranchise their opponents by getting them convicted of something?

I didn’t say that I support permanent disenfranchisement of felons. But I don’t support those in prison being allowed to vote. Because as apart of their punishment the right to vote must be taken away.

And who here said anything about the government throwing people in prison willy nilly? That’s why we have an independent court system.

[San Lumen]

If its on the ballot after they served their time why the heck not?

So lemme get this straight, by your own admission, those who have served jail time will vote to legalize the crime they were jailed for. But if I say they will it's rediculous.

Can you explain this?

They served their time why shouldnt they be able to vote on marijuana legalization, or who the mayor, state legislator, governor is etc.?

Marijuana is one thing. There isn't going to be a referendum to make crimes like burglary, grand theft auto, or domestic battery legal.

[Telconi]

Except people who have smoked pot already get to vote.

And? My point isn't changed. People aren't gonna vote to tear down prisons an start the purge. At most this will lead to people not going to jail for doing cocaine, and that's like, the extreme end of it.

Since you evidently know the future, mind TGing me tomorrow's powerball numbers?

[Telconi]

So lemme get this straight, by your own admission, those who have served jail time will vote to legalize the crime they were jailed for. But if I say they will it's rediculous.

Can you explain this?

They served their time why shouldnt they be able to vote on marijuana legalization, or who the mayor, state legislator, governor is etc.?

Marijuana is one thing. There isn't going to be a referendum to make crimes like burglary, grand theft auto, or domestic battery legal.

Oh, so I have your assurance this will never happen?

[Genivaria]

It hasn't even been voted on yet. Why should someone whose served their time be permanently barred from voting?

voting is a privilege not a right when you commit a crime and are labeled as a felon you lose rights that you once had. I agree with Etats confederes d Amerique

Fuck that authoritarian noise.

[Thermodolia]

Who's enforcing it?

The UN?

Hahahah

[Skyhooked]

They served their time why shouldnt they be able to vote on marijuana legalization, or who the mayor, state legislator, governor is etc.?

Marijuana is one thing. There isn't going to be a referendum to make crimes like burglary, grand theft auto, or domestic battery legal.

Oh, so I have your assurance this will never happen?

Casue... too many people have cars and expensive thingies.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Ok.....you do realize elected officials do their own thing right? They don't have to do anything, and sometimes even if they want to they can't.

Elected officials are representative of their voters. If enough voters wanted something, it would happen. Obviously not enough voters want this because look at the elected officials.

You don't believe that, right?

[San Lumen]

They served their time why shouldnt they be able to vote on marijuana legalization, or who the mayor, state legislator, governor is etc.?

Marijuana is one thing. There isn't going to be a referendum to make crimes like burglary, grand theft auto, or domestic battery legal.

Oh, so I have your assurance this will never happen?

It won't. You've yet to give a valid reason as to why felons shouldnt be allowed to vote.

[Thermodolia]

Elected officials are representative of their voters. If enough voters wanted something, it would happen. Obviously not enough voters want this because look at the elected officials.

You don't believe that, right?

Yes they do.

[Internationalist Bastard]

And? My point isn't changed. People aren't gonna vote to tear down prisons an start the purge. At most this will lead to people not going to jail for doing cocaine, and that's like, the extreme end of it.

Since you evidently know the future, mind TGing me tomorrow's powerball numbers?

17 28 01 15 22 and the extra number is I'm not a psychic I just know that thinking murders gonna be legal cuz former criminals can vote is fucking stupid

[USS Monitor]

If someone is mentally competent enough to stand trial as an adult, they're mentally competent enough to vote. If you're locking up enough people for the felon vote to have a major impact on elections, then you are locking up too many people.

[San Lumen]

If someone is mentally competent enough to stand trial as an adult, they're mentally competent enough to vote. If you're locking up enough people for the felon vote to have a major impact on elections, then you are locking up too many people.

And that very point has brought up many times. if this amendment passed it would change the game in terms of elections in Florida.

[Internationalist Bastard]

If someone is mentally competent enough to stand trial as an adult, they're mentally competent enough to vote. If you're locking up enough people for the felon vote to have a major impact on elections, then you are locking up too many people.

This

[Telconi]

Oh, so I have your assurance this will never happen?

It won't. You've yet to give a valid reason as to why felons shouldnt be allowed to vote.

And you've yet to give a valid reason why they should be...

[Greed and Death]

They have shown themselves unable to handle the basic rules of society they have lost the right to govern society.

[Thermodolia]

It won't. You've yet to give a valid reason as to why felons shouldnt be allowed to vote.

And you've yet to give a valid reason why they should be...

Because they served their time?