Should Felons be Allowed to Vote? Florida to Have Referendum

[Sovaal]

No, they shouldn't. A. Because they are criminals who have broken the law so why should they have a say in what should be the law? B. They'd all vote Democrat.

Wonderful logic.

[Liriena]

No, they shouldn't. A. Because they are criminals who have broken the law so why should they have a say in what should be the law? B. They'd all vote Democrat.

Woof, talk about showing your true colours umprompted.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No, they shouldn't. A. Because they are criminals who have broken the law so why should they have a say in what should be the law? B. They'd all vote Democrat.

A: Zed criminals have repaid there debt to society, have reentered society and should have a say in zed Society being run.

B: Clear oppression of political views is bad, even when it's not necessary true.

[West Leas Oros]

The whole question is, what sort of crime was committed. that's what matters.

[Fartsniffage]

The whole question is, what sort of crime was committed. that's what matters.

Other than voting fraud I'm not sure why that would matter?

[West Leas Oros]

The whole question is, what sort of crime was committed. that's what matters.

Other than voting fraud I'm not sure why that would matter?

Because we wouldn't want murderers or bank robbers voting.

[Fartsniffage]

Other than voting fraud I'm not sure why that would matter?

Because we wouldn't want murderers or bank robbers voting.

Why not?

[West Leas Oros]

Because we wouldn't want murderers or bank robbers voting.

Why not?

Why do you think?

[Fartsniffage]

Why not?

Why do you think?

I think they should be able to vote. Why do you think they shouldn't?

[West Leas Oros]

Why do you think?

I think they should be able to vote. Why do you think they shouldn't?

Because certain crimes are dangerous/harmful to society. would you really want the fate of a nation in the hands of a heinous criminal? some felons should be given a chance, but others are too much of a risk.

[Annihitor the Incred]

I think they should be able to vote. Why do you think they shouldn't?

Because certain crimes are dangerous/harmful to society. would you really want the fate of a nation in the hands of a heinous criminal? some felons should be given a chance, but others are too much of a risk.

Not to mention, breaking a law hardly earns you the right to affect it, whatever the practical dangers. In principle, how can one of heinous disposition then go on and be considered fine?

[Al-Ismailiyya]

I think they should be able to vote. Why do you think they shouldn't?

Because certain crimes are dangerous/harmful to society. would you really want the fate of a nation in the hands of a heinous criminal? some felons should be given a chance, but others are too much of a risk.

I would want the fate of a democracy in the hands of its citizens. Felon or not.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Because certain crimes are dangerous/harmful to society. would you really want the fate of a nation in the hands of a heinous criminal? some felons should be given a chance, but others are too much of a risk.

Not to mention, breaking a law hardly earns you the right to affect it, whatever the practical dangers. In principle, how can one of heinous disposition then go on and be considered fine?

Because they have served their time and been punished. There is a reason that prison sentences are not all life sentences.

[West Leas Oros]

Because certain crimes are dangerous/harmful to society. would you really want the fate of a nation in the hands of a heinous criminal? some felons should be given a chance, but others are too much of a risk.

I would want the fate of a democracy in the hands of its citizens. Felon or not.

but there needs to be restrictions, for the interests of public safety.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

I would want the fate of a democracy in the hands of its citizens. Felon or not.

but there needs to be restrictions, for the interests of public safety.

Does there? Is a felon not as absolutely capable of voting as you or I? If they are a danger to society, why are they out in the first place? Not to mention that the OP explicitly mentions that the amendment would make exceptions for those convicted of rape or murder, which invalidates your objection.

[West Leas Oros]

but there needs to be restrictions, for the interests of public safety.

Does there? Is a felon not as absolutely capable of voting as you or I? If they are a danger to society, why are they out in the first place? Not to mention that the OP explicitly mentions that the amendment would make exceptions for those convicted of rape or murder, which invalidates your objection.

but i'm arguing that there are other crimes which constitute exceptions, which is reasonable for public safety.

[Telconi]

but there needs to be restrictions, for the interests of public safety.

Does there? Is a felon not as absolutely capable of voting as you or I? If they are a danger to society, why are they out in the first place? Not to mention that the OP explicitly mentions that the amendment would make exceptions for those convicted of rape or murder, which invalidates your objection.

Question isn't rather they're capable of voting. Question is raher they're capable of voting responsibly.

[Hediacrana]

I would want the fate of a democracy in the hands of its citizens. Felon or not.

but there needs to be restrictions, for the interests of public safety.

So how precisely is public safety at risk in countries like Canada and Ireland, where people who have been convicted are still able to vote?

[West Leas Oros]

Does there? Is a felon not as absolutely capable of voting as you or I? If they are a danger to society, why are they out in the first place? Not to mention that the OP explicitly mentions that the amendment would make exceptions for those convicted of rape or murder, which invalidates your objection.

Question isn't rather they're capable of voting. Question is raher they're capable of voting responsibly.

Exactly.

[Annihitor the Incred]

but there needs to be restrictions, for the interests of public safety.

So how precisely is public safety at risk in countries like Canada and Ireland, where people who have been convicted are still able to vote?

Able to vote, and are released in moments, to repeat again. Please do no go there.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Does there? Is a felon not as absolutely capable of voting as you or I? If they are a danger to society, why are they out in the first place? Not to mention that the OP explicitly mentions that the amendment would make exceptions for those convicted of rape or murder, which invalidates your objection.

but i'm arguing that there are other crimes which constitute exceptions, which is reasonable for public safety.

Then I repeat, if they still pose a danger to public safety, why are they out in the first place? Unless you support mandatory life sentences for all crimes?

Does there? Is a felon not as absolutely capable of voting as you or I? If they are a danger to society, why are they out in the first place? Not to mention that the OP explicitly mentions that the amendment would make exceptions for those convicted of rape or murder, which invalidates your objection.

Question isn't rather they're capable of voting. Question is raher they're capable of voting responsibly.

And I repeat, what makes them any less capable than you or I? I believe I've spoken with you before and already know that you favor life sentences until the person is rehabilitated, correct? Which means you believe in rehabilitation. And if a criminal has served their time and been judged adequate to rejoin the public, why should they not be considered worthy to vote?

[Al-Ismailiyya]

So how precisely is public safety at risk in countries like Canada and Ireland, where people who have been convicted are still able to vote?

Able to vote, and are released in moments, to repeat again. Please do no go there.

Tfw Canada has a recidivism rate of 30% for non-violent offenders.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrc ... ex-en.aspx

[West Leas Oros]

but there needs to be restrictions, for the interests of public safety.

So how precisely is public safety at risk in countries like Canada and Ireland, where people who have been convicted are still able to vote?

America has a much larger prison population than either Ireland or Canada. so it would have a much more profound effect.
it also has a much higher recidivism rate. i'm not arguing that all felons should not vote, only some felons should not vote.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

So how precisely is public safety at risk in countries like Canada and Ireland, where people who have been convicted are still able to vote?

America has a much larger prison population than either Ireland or Canada.

And how does that cancel anything that Hedia said? America has a larger population. And?

[Annihitor the Incred]

Able to vote, and are released in moments, to repeat again. Please do no go there.

Tfw Canada has a recidivism rate of 30% for non-violent offenders.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrc ... ex-en.aspx

That sounds frighteningly huge, in all honesty. Every third "corrected citizen" goes and commits hideousness again. Is this a problem to you?