Flag Redesign - Israel/Palestine

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

I am a fan of the current Israeli flag, it is elegant and dignified.
Yet, in a way, I also believe that there is so much wasted potential.
It seems to me that slight modification can improve the aesthetics and also improve Palestinian/Arab representation.

The Israeli flag is based off two symbols:
The prayer shawl
The Star of David

Prayer Shawl

It is clear that the star was incorporated well into the design yet, I feel that the prayer shawl aspect was as not well done.

As such, I present an alternate design, making better use of the prayer shawl aspect and adding in branches of peace (for peace is what is needed in that region).

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Each of the two branches represents one of the main people groups - the Jewish people and the Arab People.
They are crossed over to represent cooperation between the groups
The branches are in the style of the Cypriot flag - a geographical neighbour (if one ignores the sea) which has a similar "divided nation" issue.

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I should also point out that the Star of David (hexagram)is a symbol for Jewish people and Muslim people and has been for hundreds of years now. This was often done as a representation of the Seal of Solomon

Muslim Hexagram - India

Jewish Hexagram - Leningrad Codex

In my design, I've highlighted the two-triangle nature of the hexagram, once again symbolising the joining together of two people groups.

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Comparison:

Current Flag

Proposed Flag

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So NSG, which design do you prefer?
Discuss below and vote in the poll above.
If you're up for a challenge, feel free to post your own concepts below as well - either descriptions or images.

DISCLAIMER:
This is not a thread in which to discuss the actions of the State of Israel or the Palestinian Authority
This is not a thread to discuss Zionism
This is not an official move for a flag referrendum
This is purely a design comparison/discussion thread
If anyone wants an Israel debate feel free to start your own thread (I'd be interested to read it) but please don't squirrel this thread.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

Good place to test flag ideas: https://krikienoid.github.io/flagwaver/

[The Forsworn Knights]

Not sure of an exact design for a specific flag that would work, but I feel that any attempt to make a big deal of inclusion in such a flag design is pure bs when the whole flag is utterly dominated by religious symbols of one specific group. So I'd say keep the current flag rather than bring in a new one under false pretense.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

Not sure of an exact design for a specific flag that would work, but I feel that any attempt to make a big deal of inclusion in such a flag design is pure bs when the whole flag is utterly dominated by religious symbols of one specific group.

A Qur'an with the Hexagram

[The Forsworn Knights]

Not sure of an exact design for a specific flag that would work, but I feel that any attempt to make a big deal of inclusion in such a flag design is pure bs when the whole flag is utterly dominated by religious symbols of one specific group.

A Qur'an with the Hexagram

Ah nice, so you have two specific groups for the predominant symbol on the flag while the rest of the flag is symbolism for a specific one of those two groups.

[Trumptonium]

Recognising American dependence.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

A Qur'an with the Hexagram

Ah nice, so you have two specific groups for the predominant symbol on the flag while the rest of the flag is symbolism for a specific one of those two groups.

You may notice that everything in the flag comes in pairs, so that both groups are represented in each element.

[Minoa]

I remember this being discussed before: viewtopic.php?t=410241

Back then, I said that moderinism and minimalism was making a bounceback at the time, and obviously is one of the non-political reasons why the current flag held up well. My opinion has not changed since.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

Recognising American dependence.

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Design wise I prefer the second but I must say that dependence on other nations doesn't tend to work well on flags so I would avoid it.
I do presume this is a joke (but well-executed btw)

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

I remember this being discussed before: viewtopic.php?t=410241

Back then, I said that moderinism and minimalism was making a bounceback at the time, and obviously is one of the non-political reasons why the current flag held up well. My opinion has not changed since.

Glad to see you're back!

Why do you think that minimalism is good on a flag?
What are your feelings comparing these two flags (ignoring their politics);

[Salandriagado]

I remember this being discussed before: viewtopic.php?t=410241

Back then, I said that moderinism and minimalism was making a bounceback at the time, and obviously is one of the non-political reasons why the current flag held up well. My opinion has not changed since.

Glad to see you're back!

Why do you think that minimalism is good on a flag?
What are your feelings comparing these two flags (ignoring their politics);

The one on the left is good. The one on the right has an unreadable blob in the middle that nobody will ever be able to recognise accurately.



For the ones in the OP: you've made it more complicated and expensive for no actual benefit, so no.

[Dumb Ideologies]

>2018
>still proposing flags without smug anime girls

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

Glad to see you're back!

Why do you think that minimalism is good on a flag?
What are your feelings comparing these two flags (ignoring their politics);

(Image)

(Image)

The one on the left is good. The one on the right has an unreadable blob in the middle that nobody will ever be able to recognise accurately.



For the ones in the OP: you've made it more complicated and expensive for no actual benefit, so no.

I agree that the writing isn't good on that flag (I'd remove it if I ran Italy).
How would you feel about it without the writing?

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As for the OP: It's slightly more complex but still a lot less so than many national flags (including the Union Flag and Stars & Stripes which are two of the most popular and iconic in the world).
Nowadays the vast majority of flags are printed so the expense shouldn't change for everyday users.
I've outlined benefits in symbolism.
Given that the role of a flag is that it serves as a symbol, surely the best benefits a flag can have is to have improved symbolism.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

>2018
>still proposing flags without smug anime girls

I'm not quite ready for your era...

[Luziyca]

I swear I saw this thread, like, a year or two ago.

Personally, I'd probably just make a "one state flag," similar to the united Korea flag. Just an outline of the borders of the Mandate of Palestine (pre-1948), with the area inside the line filled in with light blue.

Failing that, we could just keep the current flags.

[Vistulange]

I actually like the newer design, but the laurel wreath is too close to the bottom bars, and honestly, not all that necessary. The simple doubling of the bars has attracted my attention, though.

[Thermodolia]

Just like the last time you proposed this my answer is still fuck no.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

I swear I saw this thread, like, a year or two ago.

Personally, I'd probably just make a "one state flag," similar to the united Korea flag. Just an outline of the borders of the Mandate of Palestine (pre-1948), with the area inside the line filled in with light blue.

Failing that, we could just keep the current flags.

Yeah, this is a thread-urrection.
Are you saying that you're a fan of maps on flags?

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

I actually like the newer design, but the laurel wreath is too close to the bottom bars, and honestly, not all that necessary. The simple doubling of the bars has attracted my attention, though.

Thanks.
I understand where you're coming from with the laurel leaves.
Perhaps a good compromise would be to use the flag with the leaves as the state flag and without as the civil flag.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

Just like the last time you proposed this my answer is still fuck no.

Any chance you could elaborate?

[Luziyca]

I swear I saw this thread, like, a year or two ago.

Personally, I'd probably just make a "one state flag," similar to the united Korea flag. Just an outline of the borders of the Mandate of Palestine (pre-1948), with the area inside the line filled in with light blue.

Failing that, we could just keep the current flags.

Yeah, this is a thread-urrection.
Are you saying that you're a fan of maps on flags?

If done right.

Cyprus and the united Korea flag seem to do a pretty great job in that regard. Brown County, Nebraska, on the other hand...

[Trumptonium]

Recognising American dependence.

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Design wise I prefer the second but I must say that dependence on other nations doesn't tend to work well on flags so I would avoid it.
I do presume this is a joke (but well-executed btw)

Australia begs to differ.

I remember this being discussed before: viewtopic.php?t=410241

Back then, I said that moderinism and minimalism was making a bounceback at the time, and obviously is one of the non-political reasons why the current flag held up well. My opinion has not changed since.

Glad to see you're back!

Why do you think that minimalism is good on a flag?
What are your feelings comparing these two flags (ignoring their politics);

Minimalism is completely stupid.

http://www.flags.net/images/largeflags/SPAN0002.GIF

thankfully poland is one of those countries where the official flag is used less often than the unofficial versions

[Central Asian Republics]

I remember this being discussed before: viewtopic.php?t=410241

Back then, I said that moderinism and minimalism was making a bounceback at the time, and obviously is one of the non-political reasons why the current flag held up well. My opinion has not changed since.

Glad to see you're back!

Why do you think that minimalism is good on a flag?
What are your feelings comparing these two flags (ignoring their politics);

The one on the right could easily be mistaken for the Mexican flag.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

Yeah, this is a thread-urrection.
Are you saying that you're a fan of maps on flags?

If done right.

Cyprus and the united Korea flag seem to do a pretty great job in that regard. Brown County, Nebraska, on the other hand...

I must admit we'll need to agree to disagree on the United Korea and Cypriot flags (though you've probably noticed that I like one aspect of the Cypriot flag).
An issue with a map-based flag in the middle east is the fluid nature of borders there.

[Tzion and Jerusalem]

Design wise I prefer the second but I must say that dependence on other nations doesn't tend to work well on flags so I would avoid it.
I do presume this is a joke (but well-executed btw)

Australia begs to differ.

Glad to see you're back!

Why do you think that minimalism is good on a flag?
What are your feelings comparing these two flags (ignoring their politics);

(Image)

(Image)

Minimalism is completely stupid.

http://www.flags.net/images/largeflags/SPAN0002.GIF

thankfully poland is one of those countries where the official flag is used less often than the unofficial versions

Australia's blue ensign isn't a symbol of dependence (Australia doesn't exactly rely on the UK) rather it's a symbol of joint heritage.
I agree with you on tricolour and bicolor flags - they look much better with a crest (german federal over german civil any day).