Trump administration bars Haitians from U.S visas

[Dejanic]

So after caught being racist, in particular to Haitians, he doubles down and actually goes further. Well done I guess?

[Vassenor]

Don't Trump's golf courses employ large numbers of Hatian seasonal workers?

[Sargassas]

Well, Donny has to appeal to his hillbilly voting base.

[Conserative Morality]

So after caught being racist, in particular to Haitians, he doubles down and actually goes further. Well done I guess?

"N-no, it's not racist, you see, h-he's playing 10d dimensional chess and Haitians aren't a race so really you're the real racist!" -his base

[Conserative Morality]

Don't Trump's golf courses employ large numbers of Hatian seasonal workers?

Don't worry; he probably employs them illegally already, so there'll be no change.

[The East Marches II]

Why not just legalize slavery again? If you want low wage shit labor, why not go all the way? This is some amateur hour stuff smh

[Israeli Defense Force]

So after caught being racist, in particular to Haitians, he doubles down and actually goes further. Well done I guess?

Where was he caught? What video evidence was presented?

Calling someone "racist" also isn't an argument. His move makes sense. The US doesn't need more low-skilled workers when it already has millions.

Honestly, non-arguments like "ur racist" is half why the left lost the last election in the US. Come up with real arguments rooted in evidence. Why should low-skill Haitians continue to be allowed in? What benefit is it to the US?

If every Trump situation is just going to be "hurr he racist cuz I don't have an argument," then we may as well start saying anyone who opposes Trump is antisemitic. Of course, the fact he recognized Jerusalem as capital of Israel and is a supporter of Israel makes all the accusations of he and his followers being racist, fascist nazis all the more amusing. Much of his opposition comes off as having some sort of cognitive dissonance when all they do is call names.

[Thermodolia]

Not racism. Americans come first.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

These are literally low-skilled labor visas.

I am no fan of Trump, but low-skill labor visas like H-2A and H-2B are literally for low-skill labor, which if you cry about them says more about you and what you think of Haitians and other sorts of immigrants than it does about Trump, that you think this is proper help, seasonal farm hands for the US at shit wages.

[Vassenor]

So after caught being racist, in particular to Haitians, he doubles down and actually goes further. Well done I guess?

Where was he caught? What video evidence was presented?

Calling someone "racist" also isn't an argument. His move makes sense. The US doesn't need more low-skilled workers when it already has millions.

Honestly, non-arguments like "ur racist" is half why the left lost the last election in the US. Come up with real arguments rooted in evidence. Why should low-skill Haitians continue to be allowed in? What benefit is it to the US?

If every Trump situation is just going to be "hurr he racist cuz I don't have an argument," then we may as well start saying anyone who opposes Trump is antisemitic. Of course, the fact he recognized Jerusalem as capital of Israel and is a supporter of Israel makes all the accusations of he and his followers being racist, fascist nazis all the more amusing. Much of his opposition comes off as having some sort of cognitive dissonance when all they do is call names.

Let's see -your- evidence then.

[The Federation of Kendor]

These are literally low-skilled labor visas.

I am no fan of Trump, but low-skill labor visas like H-2A and H-2B are literally for low-skill labor, which if you cry about them says more about you and what you think of Haitians and other sorts of immigrants than it does about Trump, that you think this is proper help, seasonal farm hands for the US at shit wages.

But, do you think they will have better life in a poor country still devastated by an earthquake? Do you think their wages are higher there?

[The Lone Alliance]

It's more like they don't need Haitians now, Puerto Rico is a mess and an American territory too!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

These are literally low-skilled labor visas.

I am no fan of Trump, but low-skill labor visas like H-2A and H-2B are literally for low-skill labor, which if you cry about them says more about you and what you think of Haitians and other sorts of immigrants than it does about Trump, that you think this is proper help, seasonal farm hands for the US at shit wages.

But, do you think they will have better life in a poor country still devastated by an earthquake? Do you think their wages are higher there?

Um... do you think they come here to have a better life as a farm-hand working from sunrise to sundown picking fruit?

I mean, let's be honest, do you consider being a fruit picker a "better life"?

Besides, these are temporary visas, meaning, they go back to Haiti once the season is over.

[Israeli Defense Force]

Where was he caught? What video evidence was presented?

Calling someone "racist" also isn't an argument. His move makes sense. The US doesn't need more low-skilled workers when it already has millions.

Honestly, non-arguments like "ur racist" is half why the left lost the last election in the US. Come up with real arguments rooted in evidence. Why should low-skill Haitians continue to be allowed in? What benefit is it to the US?

If every Trump situation is just going to be "hurr he racist cuz I don't have an argument," then we may as well start saying anyone who opposes Trump is antisemitic. Of course, the fact he recognized Jerusalem as capital of Israel and is a supporter of Israel makes all the accusations of he and his followers being racist, fascist nazis all the more amusing. Much of his opposition comes off as having some sort of cognitive dissonance when all they do is call names.

Let's see -your- evidence then.

... for?

[The Federation of Kendor]

But, do you think they will have better life in a poor country still devastated by an earthquake? Do you think their wages are higher there?

Um... do you think they come here to have a better life as a farm-hand working from sunrise to sundown picking fruit?

I mean, let's be honest, do you consider being a fruit picker a "better life"?

Then what is their jobs at their home country? And do you think that immigrants who come to the US have the same if not less wages than at their homeland

[Vassenor]

Let's see -your- evidence then.

... for?

For the claims you've made about the state of the U.S. Labour market, for one.

[Israeli Defense Force]

These are literally low-skilled labor visas.

I am no fan of Trump, but low-skill labor visas like H-2A and H-2B are literally for low-skill labor, which if you cry about them says more about you and what you think of Haitians and other sorts of immigrants than it does about Trump, that you think this is proper help, seasonal farm hands for the US at shit wages.

But, do you think they will have better life in a poor country still devastated by an earthquake? Do you think their wages are higher there?

Maybe they can make their own country better? The US can't take care of the millions of illegals it has now. Burdening it with more low-skill people isn't the solution.

[Conserative Morality]

Um... do you think they come here to have a better life as a farm-hand working from sunrise to sundown picking fruit?

I mean, let's be honest, do you consider being a fruit picker a "better life"?

Do I think getting paid at least minimum wage in a developed country for doing manual labor is better than doing manual labor for pennies in the home country"

Uh, yes. What's wrong with picking fruit, again? Other than your inconsistency in looking down at labor when it suits your sense of political self-righteousness and deriding others for doing so at other times?

[Luminesa]

Trump’s decision is unfortunate. HOWEVER, Haiti needs to be fixed. It’s not fair to keep people stuck in low-paying jobs in a foreign country all their lives. A generation of Haitians will be stuck with no job mobility and very few skills for making a decent living. While I don’t expect Trump to do so, humanitarian aid needs to be sent to Haiti, and re-building efforts need to be taken seriously.

[Luminesa]

Um... do you think they come here to have a better life as a farm-hand working from sunrise to sundown picking fruit?

I mean, let's be honest, do you consider being a fruit picker a "better life"?

Then what is their jobs at their home country? And do you think that immigrants who come to the US have the same if not less wages than at their homeland

You’re talking to someone who came from an immigrant family. I think he gets how that goes better than you.

[The East Marches II]

Um... do you think they come here to have a better life as a farm-hand working from sunrise to sundown picking fruit?

I mean, let's be honest, do you consider being a fruit picker a "better life"?

Do I think getting paid at least minimum wage in a developed country for doing manual labor is better than doing manual labor for pennies in the home country"

Uh, yes. What's wrong with picking fruit, again? Other than your inconsistency in looking down at labor when it suits your sense of political self-righteousness and deriding others for doing so at other times?

>At least minimum wage

Come on man, you know thats a lie. Just legalize slavery and we don't have to have these fights :^)

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Random stupidity from trump that should be on the MAGA thread.

Not unexpected but still a dick move. It will damage relations with them and Haiti for almost no reason at all.

The benefits being a slight increase in jobs for Americans? Ok? Still not worth bulling another nation.

[The Lone Alliance]

... for?

For the claims you've made about the state of the U.S. Labour market, for one.

If we really need our quota of Caribbean people who's Islands are in a state of destruction we have some American Citizens who could use those jobs while their Island is on the mend.

[Conserative Morality]

Trump’s decision is unfortunate. HOWEVER, Haiti needs to be fixed. It’s not fair to keep people stuck in low-paying jobs in a foreign country all their lives. A generation of Haitians will be stuck with no job mobility and very few skills for making a decent living. While I don’t expect Trump to do so, humanitarian aid needs to be sent to Haiti, and re-building efforts need to be taken seriously.

^this.

Best course of action in terms of improving the lives of Haitians would be to engage in policies that encourage economic investment with the country.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Um... do you think they come here to have a better life as a farm-hand working from sunrise to sundown picking fruit?

I mean, let's be honest, do you consider being a fruit picker a "better life"?

Then what is their jobs at their home country? And do you think that immigrants who come to the US have the same if not less wages than at their homeland

H-2A and H-2B visas usually go to anyone willing to come here to do farm labor seasonally. That can be from an executive to a laborer in the fields. So really, you're talking from no change in lifestyle to a detriment of it.

Immigrants who come to the US have proportionally the same wages than at their homeland nowadays. Before farming used to be quite profitable for seasonal immigrant workers. Nowadays that hasn't held quite true for this particular sector of immigrants anymore.