Arlenton wrote:Don't change it. Celebrate Australia coming out of the stone age.
Harsh, but true.
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by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:07 am
by Salandriagado » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:35 am
by New Edom » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:44 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Every year, as the event draws nearer and nearer, we are reminded of the "Invasion Day" argument about celebrating our nation. For those of you who don't know, 26 January is the date that celebrates Captain James Cook's landing in Australia. Some claim that celebrating Australia Day on Jan 26 is racist and celebrates the begining of the genocide against Aboriginal Australians. Some claim that 26 Jan should see the flags fly at half mast to symbolise mourning. Others claim that 26 Jan celebrates the modern nation of Australia, and we should put the atrocities of the past behind us, and celebrate what's goid about our modern, united Australia
Where do you stand on the issue? Should we change the date? Should it be a day of mourning? I'm pretty undecided on the issue. I can see the merits of both sides of the debate, and am yet to form my own opinion. Where do you stand?
by Australian rePublic » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:55 pm
by The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:03 pm
by Dazchan » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:04 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:For those of you who don't know, 26 January is the date that celebrates Captain James Cook's landing in Australia.
Indo 2 wrote:Australia Day celebrates Captain Cook finding Australia on the 26th. He didnt find it on the 25th, nor the 27th.
Ifreann wrote:I would have expected Australia Day to be when Australia became a country, not when Europeans first found the place.
by The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:12 pm
New Edom wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Every year, as the event draws nearer and nearer, we are reminded of the "Invasion Day" argument about celebrating our nation. For those of you who don't know, 26 January is the date that celebrates Captain James Cook's landing in Australia. Some claim that celebrating Australia Day on Jan 26 is racist and celebrates the begining of the genocide against Aboriginal Australians. Some claim that 26 Jan should see the flags fly at half mast to symbolise mourning. Others claim that 26 Jan celebrates the modern nation of Australia, and we should put the atrocities of the past behind us, and celebrate what's goid about our modern, united Australia
Where do you stand on the issue? Should we change the date? Should it be a day of mourning? I'm pretty undecided on the issue. I can see the merits of both sides of the debate, and am yet to form my own opinion. Where do you stand?
If Australia celebrating Captain Cook's arrival was MEANT to celebrate genocide, then maybe. But I think not. Australia has adopted policies that are intended to bring about peaceful removal of racist past policies. This is the reality: there would be no nation of Australia without Captain Cook. No great nation has been formed without war, violence and at ties atrocities by the standards of the present day. I've never seen any depiction of Australian history that does not admit that Aboriginal people were treated really badly before. If people want to expunge their sense of national guilt, they ought to go and volunteer in ways that improve the lives of Aboriginal people.
by The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:21 pm
Donut section wrote:Leave it where it is. Celebrate 27th of may separately.
While all people should be treated equally by the state, aboriginals achieved nothing before and very little after that has contributed to the idea of Australia.
by Donut section » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:29 pm
The Conez Imperium wrote:Donut section wrote:Leave it where it is. Celebrate 27th of may separately.
While all people should be treated equally by the state, aboriginals achieved nothing before and very little after that has contributed to the idea of Australia.
The idea of Australia at that time was a "white country". I don't see how Aboriginals could contribute to that idea.
by New Edom » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:34 pm
The Conez Imperium wrote:New Edom wrote:
If Australia celebrating Captain Cook's arrival was MEANT to celebrate genocide, then maybe. But I think not. Australia has adopted policies that are intended to bring about peaceful removal of racist past policies. This is the reality: there would be no nation of Australia without Captain Cook. No great nation has been formed without war, violence and at ties atrocities by the standards of the present day. I've never seen any depiction of Australian history that does not admit that Aboriginal people were treated really badly before. If people want to expunge their sense of national guilt, they ought to go and volunteer in ways that improve the lives of Aboriginal people.
I would be in favour of moving Australia day to the 27th May. This was the date in 1967 where a referendum was called to recognise Aboriginals as citizens. It's the keystone of Australia as a country growing in maturity and one worthy to be celebrated. Obviously, it's important to recognise the founding of Australia's first colony - the birth of Modern Australia but I think it's more important to recognise the growing maturity and reconciliation of a nation. The 26th of January is a rather arbitrary achievement but the 27th of May, an effort and wisdom worth commemorating.
We could have also celebrate the 2 dates (more holidays!!!) but the title of Australia day seems more appropriate for the 27th of May rather than the 26th of January.
by The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:43 pm
New Edom wrote:The Conez Imperium wrote:
I would be in favour of moving Australia day to the 27th May. This was the date in 1967 where a referendum was called to recognise Aboriginals as citizens. It's the keystone of Australia as a country growing in maturity and one worthy to be celebrated. Obviously, it's important to recognise the founding of Australia's first colony - the birth of Modern Australia but I think it's more important to recognise the growing maturity and reconciliation of a nation. The 26th of January is a rather arbitrary achievement but the 27th of May, an effort and wisdom worth commemorating.
We could have also celebrate the 2 dates (more holidays!!!) but the title of Australia day seems more appropriate for the 27th of May rather than the 26th of January.
Why not celebrate both days then, as you say, and just put more emphasis on the May date to make it more recognizable?
by Donut section » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:50 pm
The Conez Imperium wrote:New Edom wrote:
Why not celebrate both days then, as you say, and just put more emphasis on the May date to make it more recognizable?
If I was prime minister, I would happily forward that. Alas, there is no real political willpower (except the greens) to make that a reality. Most of the current argument is really derisive with people telling each other what to think rather than listening to each other and compromising.
by The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:54 pm
by Dazchan » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:01 pm
by Donut section » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:05 pm
The Conez Imperium wrote:Donut section wrote:
Writing would have been nice. They got some cool stories, would have been great to read them.
Although I'm being hypocritical, I caution you in judging whole cultures by your own standards. Otherwise, we'd all be saying our civilisation is the best and that's not an objective measure. Real life isn't a game of civilisation where since Aboriginals didn't discover pottery they're uncivilised or worthless.
Moreover, various articles online highlight how the conditions for agriculture were not present in Australia thereby making it difficult for writing/established communities to thrive. Australian soil is incredibly poor, we lack any native domestic animal and we have no staple crop like corn/rice or wheat.
by Kannadrickium » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:12 pm
by Sovaal » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:25 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Every year, as the event draws nearer and nearer, we are reminded of the "Invasion Day" argument about celebrating our nation. For those of you who don't know, 26 January is the date that celebrates Captain James Cook's landing in Australia. Some claim that celebrating Australia Day on Jan 26 is racist and celebrates the begining of the genocide against Aboriginal Australians. Some claim that 26 Jan should see the flags fly at half mast to symbolise mourning. Others claim that 26 Jan celebrates the modern nation of Australia, and we should put the atrocities of the past behind us, and celebrate what's goid about our modern, united Australia
Where do you stand on the issue? Should we change the date? Should it be a day of mourning? I'm pretty undecided on the issue. I can see the merits of both sides of the debate, and am yet to form my own opinion. Where do you stand?
by Sovaal » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:27 pm
Kannadrickium wrote:Australia Day should be on 16 February.
It's the birthday of Cyril Percy Callister, who is the inventor of Vegemite, which is the most Australian thing ever.
by Wansul » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:29 pm
Trumptonium wrote:I wish my country had the same fucking problems as Australia if this is considered front page priority.
By the-anarchist-neoliberal spirit I mean that deeply human sentiment, which aims at the good of all, freedom and justice for all, solidarity and love among the people;
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