New California's Secession From (Old) California

[Claorica]

not really aside from the never ever getting back together talk people especially the media tend to overhype the midterms and expect the democrats to win their is really nothing this year or last year that the democrats have done to warrant a sweeping victory for them in the Mid Term elections.

The corrupt, Republican-supporting DINOS in my state certainly are going to get primaried away. In the more important midterms I expect a victory for Democrats as well.

doubt it.

Missouri's going to stay republican through-and-through, none of our districts are swing districts, and McCaskill's universally hated in the country where turnout's been up the last few elections, unless someone drops the ball again like Akin, there's no way in hell she's getting re-elected.

[San Lumen]

The corrupt, Republican-supporting DINOS in my state certainly are going to get primaried away. In the more important midterms I expect a victory for Democrats as well.

doubt it.

Missouri's going to stay republican through-and-through, none of our districts are swing districts, and McCaskill's universally hated in the country where turnout's been up the last few elections, unless someone drops the ball again like Akin, there's no way in hell she's getting re-elected.

Just like there going to a Republican wave election right?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Yes, because redneck California hates being part of California (like everybody should). Also it's kinda becoming a rich state with it kicking out all the low wealth housing. If we were to split the state into two it'd prevent them from trying to irritate Texas who gets Californians moving into the region.

Besides California is communist.

[Oil exporting People]

Just like there going to a Republican wave election right?

Missouri is like R+19

[Greater Kossackia]

The corrupt, Republican-supporting DINOS in my state certainly are going to get primaried away. In the more important midterms I expect a victory for Democrats as well.

doubt it.

Missouri's going to stay republican through-and-through, none of our districts are swing districts, and McCaskill's universally hated in the country where turnout's been up the last few elections, unless someone drops the ball again like Akin, there's no way in hell she's getting re-elected.

It's an uphill battle to be sure, but all signs are pointing to Democrats taking back the House and have probably a 35-40% chance of retaking the Senate, which is nothing to sneeze at. The Republicans definitely don't have a path to a filibuster proof majority.

[Claorica]

doubt it.

Missouri's going to stay republican through-and-through, none of our districts are swing districts, and McCaskill's universally hated in the country where turnout's been up the last few elections, unless someone drops the ball again like Akin, there's no way in hell she's getting re-elected.

Just like there going to a Republican wave election right?

I can Guarantee you Missouri's not going Blue. Used to be a swing state in every election, but we've been burned by your buddies in the DNC too many times (and the GOP too), especially McCaskill who for all intents and purposes does whatever the SmL and SmW tell her to.

[36 Camera Perspective]

Stupid meme. Every conception of California secession is designed to benefit a specific interest group and not the general well-being of California as a whole. Years ago, California secession was a scheme to let companies in the Silicon Valley have a lower tax rate, and now it's a scheme to increase Republican representation at the federal level. Nothing more to say, as this will inevitably die out.

[36 Camera Perspective]

Yes, because redneck California hates being part of California (like everybody should). Also it's kinda becoming a rich state with it kicking out all the low wealth housing. If we were to split the state into two it'd prevent them from trying to irritate Texas who gets Californians moving into the region.

Besides California is communist.

1: Implying that an area of California that is largely populated by Hispanics can be called "Redneck".
2: Implying that most of California is experiencing surging housing prices and shortages (it's just the bay).
3: Implying that California is communist...seriously? We're social democrats at best.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Yes, because redneck California hates being part of California (like everybody should). Also it's kinda becoming a rich state with it kicking out all the low wealth housing. If we were to split the state into two it'd prevent them from trying to irritate Texas who gets Californians moving into the region.

Besides California is communist.

1: Implying that an area of California that is largely populated by Hispanics can be called "Redneck".
2: Implying that most of California is experiencing surging housing prices and shortages (it's just the bay).
3: Implying that California is communist...seriously? We're social democrats at best.

1: Joke don't worry.
2: it's a minor thing really, but none the less important.
3: Semi-joke. The red star on your flag says it all.

[Improved werpland]

Just like there going to a Republican wave election right?

I can Guarantee you Missouri's not going Blue. Used to be a swing state in every election, but we've been burned by your buddies in the DNC too many times (and the GOP too), especially McCaskill who for all intents and purposes does whatever the SmL and SmW tell her to.

Maybe we should have the urban parts of your state separate and create their own?

[Fereria]

First California wants to secede from the United States. Now California wants to secede from California. Take it from a South Carolinian, secession isn't going to end well for you.

[Uxupox]

First California wants to secede from the United States. Now California wants to secede from California. Take it from a South Carolinian, secession isn't going to end well for you.

What's next? A state that wants to secede from a state that has already seceded hmmm?

[36 Camera Perspective]

1: Implying that an area of California that is largely populated by Hispanics can be called "Redneck".
2: Implying that most of California is experiencing surging housing prices and shortages (it's just the bay).
3: Implying that California is communist...seriously? We're social democrats at best.

1: Joke don't worry.
2: it's a minor thing really, but none the less important.
3: Semi-joke. The red star on your flag says it all.

My bad. I didn't know you were joking.

[Valrifell]

First California wants to secede from the United States. Now California wants to secede from California. Take it from a South Carolinian, secession isn't going to end well for you.

What's next? A state that wants to secede from a state that has already seceded hmmm?

Fucking West Virginia.

[The Realist Polities]

1. I don't think this will happen.

2. But here's why it should:

Normally, I am quite intolerant of utopian initiatives that fundamentally change the status quo.
Yet, in this case, it seems to me the New Californians have a good moral case. Not only has their state been run quite inefficiently by people they don't vote for, but much of what has gone on in Sacramento has been a drastic, radical, autistic and revolutionary insanity that has fundamentally changed Cali, and for the worse.
Extremist changes to the ethnic composition and more recently, racist intolerant policies by SJWs are much worse than simple mismanagement or corruption.
When such changes are not only done in your name without consent but also hurt your interests, then it is time for a change and at least this change would be peaceful and not treasonous as the Calexit proposal was.

[Bruke]

1. I don't think this will happen.

2. But here's why it should:

Normally, I am quite intolerant of utopian initiatives that fundamentally change the status quo.
Yet, in this case, it seems to me the New Californians have a good moral case. Not only has their state been run quite inefficiently by people they don't vote for, but much of what has gone on in Sacramento has been a drastic, radical, autistic and revolutionary insanity that has fundamentally changed Cali, and for the worse.
Extremist changes to the ethnic composition and more recently, racist intolerant policies by SJWs are much worse than simple mismanagement or corruption.
When such changes are not only done in your name without consent but also hurt your interests, then it is time for a change and at least this change would be peaceful and not treasonous as the Calexit proposal was.

This particular proposal is flawed though. Just look at the map! They put San Jose in the new state. San Jose is in the true blue Bay Area, they love what Sacramento does.

[Oil exporting People]

Fucking West Virginia.

More like fucking Wheeling, as outside the Northwest areas the vote was over 2 to 1 in favor of secession. Even in said Wheeling area, the vote was 25% in favor.

[Greater Kossackia]

1. I don't think this will happen.

2. But here's why it should:

Normally, I am quite intolerant of utopian initiatives that fundamentally change the status quo.
Yet, in this case, it seems to me the New Californians have a good moral case. Not only has their state been run quite inefficiently by people they don't vote for, but much of what has gone on in Sacramento has been a drastic, radical, autistic and revolutionary insanity that has fundamentally changed Cali, and for the worse.
Extremist changes to the ethnic composition and more recently, racist intolerant policies by SJWs are much worse than simple mismanagement or corruption.
When such changes are not only done in your name without consent but also hurt your interests, then it is time for a change and at least this change would be peaceful and not treasonous as the Calexit proposal was.

First off, treason has a very specific meaning and trying to peacefully secede from a country does not meet that metric. Secondly, the New California people are only doing it to redraw the political landscape to help conservatives. Their arguments are sourced in conspiracy theory websites (seriously, one of their top guys is best known for his Agenda 21 Radio where he spouts out some insane babble) and conservative think tanks. Thirdly, California's ethnic demographics have been shifting gradually and for a long time. The state hasn't done anything to make this happen by design, it just works out that way. Arizona, New Mexico and Texas all have the exact same trends, as does the US over all. Things aren't being done to these people, nor are they being ignored by the state government and they are not being abused. Trying to say they are is either serious delusion or out right lies.

[Luziyca]

This is secession to form a new state, not secession to leave the Union.

Even so it would have to be approved by the majority of those residing in California, not the small group advocating it now. Also, I doubt the state government would let them, at least not without a long legal battle, even if it was wanted by most.

Indeed.

Or at least approved by the government of California if they are splitting to a separate state.

[Valrifell]

Fucking West Virginia.

More like fucking Wheeling, as outside the Northwest areas the vote was over 2 to 1 in favor of secession. Even in said Wheeling area, the vote was 25% in favor.

No, no, that's one succession layer too deep.

[Greater Kossackia]

Even so it would have to be approved by the majority of those residing in California, not the small group advocating it now. Also, I doubt the state government would let them, at least not without a long legal battle, even if it was wanted by most.

Indeed.

Or at least approved by the government of California if they are splitting to a separate state.

Arguably, since the confines of the state are defined in the state constitution, it would require an amendment, which requires approval by the voters.

[The Realist Polities]

First off, treason has a very specific meaning and trying to peacefully secede from a country does not meet that metric. Secondly, the New California people are only doing it to redraw the political landscape to help conservatives. Their arguments are sourced in conspiracy theory websites (seriously, one of their top guys is best known for his Agenda 21 Radio where he spouts out some insane babble) and conservative think tanks. Thirdly, California's ethnic demographics have been shifting gradually and for a long time. The state hasn't done anything to make this happen by design, it just works out that way. Arizona, New Mexico and Texas all have the exact same trends, as does the US over all. Things aren't being done to these people, nor are they being ignored by the state government and they are not being abused. Trying to say they are is either serious delusion or out right lies.

1. By that definition, the Southern secession was also not treasonous. The war of secession was imposed on the South, it wasn't something that they sought.

2. It would help conservatives for sure but a) I wouldn't say that's the only reason and b) Cali conservatives are not exactly the most fundamentalist in the US...
Then, every innovative movement will have its fair share of nutcases. The exceptions do not impress me. The grievances which are raised have a long history and are reasonable. No need to point to the extremists in the movement.
BTW, the likes of Antifa or BLM would not be presented as proof of the Left's current extremist drive if it weren't for the sympathy with which they're treated by mainstream orgs and politicians.

3. You may know more about this than I do. But, I've observed the same tendency towards revolutionary changes occur elsewhere in the world and while it may not be a 'masterplan', it is certainly a trend incentivised by the political Left.

[Valrifell]

First off, treason has a very specific meaning and trying to peacefully secede from a country does not meet that metric. Secondly, the New California people are only doing it to redraw the political landscape to help conservatives. Their arguments are sourced in conspiracy theory websites (seriously, one of their top guys is best known for his Agenda 21 Radio where he spouts out some insane babble) and conservative think tanks. Thirdly, California's ethnic demographics have been shifting gradually and for a long time. The state hasn't done anything to make this happen by design, it just works out that way. Arizona, New Mexico and Texas all have the exact same trends, as does the US over all. Things aren't being done to these people, nor are they being ignored by the state government and they are not being abused. Trying to say they are is either serious delusion or out right lies.

1. By that definition, the Southern secession was also not treasonous. The war of secession was imposed on the South, it wasn't something that they sought.

Because it's somehow an act of aggression on the Union's part when Confederate soldiers walk up and try to capture their neat fort.

[Orbisburg]

Let's be real if this did happen the US would go in and force them back in that or let them be one of the poorest nations on earth. As far as I know doing this isn't really possible for them but than again I don't pay such matters much mind.

[Vassenor]

Let's be real if this did happen the US would go in and force them back in that or let them be one of the poorest nations on earth. As far as I know doing this isn't really possible for them but than again I don't pay such matters much mind.

Did you read the OP? This isn't about leaving the USA. It's a group of people in California wanting to split out of the state to become another state within the USA.