Chelsea Manning running for US Senate

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It shows she serves the people with transparency.

The government shouldn't keep secrets to the people who vote it into office.

[Western-Ukraine]

The precedent for treason must be set at no less than life in jail without pardon. While Mr Obama's verdict on her fate is legitimate, she deserves to be nothing but a pariah from now on. Especially individuals in public posts have to be of great moral integrity, character and talent. Ms Manning lacks all of the said qualities.

[Ifreann]

The precedent for treason must be set at no less than life in jail without pardon. While Mr Obama's verdict on her fate is legitimate, she deserves to be nothing but a pariah from now on. Especially individuals in public posts have to be of great moral integrity, character and talent. Ms Manning lacks all of the said qualities.

She wasn't convicted of treason.

[Uxupox]

It shows she serves the people with transparency.

The government shouldn't keep secrets to the people who vote it into office.

I agree. Let's start disclosing troop movement, troop numbers, troop locations. The government should disclose all secrets. All plans should be open. Let's give all american adversaries an advantage over the United States! That is the best idea!

[Grand Britannia]

One thing is making people aware the government is spying on them.

The other is putting deployed US troops at risk.

[Liriena]

Awooooo! *wolf howl*

I like Chelsea Manning. I seriously doubt she'll win, but I hope she does really, really well. :3

[Western-Ukraine]

The precedent for treason must be set at no less than life in jail without pardon. While Mr Obama's verdict on her fate is legitimate, she deserves to be nothing but a pariah from now on. Especially individuals in public posts have to be of great moral integrity, character and talent. Ms Manning lacks all of the said qualities.

She wasn't convicted of treason.

I have not claimed anything about her being convicted of it. Her actions are just of treacherous nature, and she should have been convicted.

[Liriena]

One thing is making people aware the government is spying on them.

The other is putting deployed US troops at risk.

Hmm...

[Liriena]

She wasn't convicted of treason.

I have not claimed anything about her being convicted of it. Her actions are just of treacherous nature, and she should have been convicted.

I too like to pretend I know more about the law than the federal government's prosecutors.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It shows she serves the people with transparency.

The government shouldn't keep secrets to the people who vote it into office.

I agree. Let's start disclosing troop movement, troop numbers, troop locations. The government should disclose all secrets. All plans should be open. Let's give all american adversaries an advantage over the United States! That is the best idea!

Thats a straw man argument.

[Taviana SSR]

Everyone who weakens the US imperialist war machine is more suitable for serving the people than the corrupt Rapublican/Democrat criminals in office now. I just hope Chelsea seizes total control and starts purging those who wanted to silence her.

[Liriena]

Everyone who weakens the US imperialist war machine is more suitable for serving the people than the corrupt Rapublican/Democrat criminals in office now. I just hope Chelsea seizes total control and starts purging those who wanted to silence her.

...that's hawt.

[Uxupox]

I agree. Let's start disclosing troop movement, troop numbers, troop locations. The government should disclose all secrets. All plans should be open. Let's give all american adversaries an advantage over the United States! That is the best idea!

Thats a straw man argument.

Not a fallacy when that is exactly what you commented.

[Western-Ukraine]

I have not claimed anything about her being convicted of it. Her actions are just of treacherous nature, and she should have been convicted.

I too like to pretend I know more about the law than the federal government's prosecutors.

It's one thing to pretend knowing about federal law, and another to state my opinion on her actions, like I did. "Should be convicted" implies nothing about it being possible under the current conditions, only of my opinion.

[Liriena]

I too like to pretend I know more about the law than the federal government's prosecutors.

It's one thing to pretend knowing about federal law, and another to state my opinion on her actions, like I did. "Should be convicted" implies nothing about it being possible under the current conditions, only of my opinion.

But you're basically admitting that it's not an opinion grounded in any sort of serious understanding of the relevant law. It's just vacuous emotional opinionating.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Thats a straw man argument.

Not a fallacy when that is exactly what you commented.

It shows she serves the people with transparency.

The government shouldn't keep secrets to the people who vote it into office.

It shouldn't.

But It does need to in times of war. It's understandable.

Spying on your own populous in times of peace is bad.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Everyone who weakens the US imperialist war machine is more suitable for serving the people than the corrupt Rapublican/Democrat criminals in office now. I just hope Chelsea seizes total control and starts purging those who wanted to silence her.

"Imperialist war machine".

"Seizes total control and starts purging".



All aboard the crazy train. Choo choo!

[Ifreann]

She wasn't convicted of treason.

I have not claimed anything about her being convicted of it. Her actions are just of treacherous nature, and she should have been convicted.

Doing something of treacherous nature is not enough to be convicted of treason.

[Western-Ukraine]

It's one thing to pretend knowing about federal law, and another to state my opinion on her actions, like I did. "Should be convicted" implies nothing about it being possible under the current conditions, only of my opinion.

But you're basically admitting that it's not an opinion grounded in any sort of serious understanding of the relevant law. It's just vacuous emotional opinionating.

Yes? As far as I know, this is a discussion about what people think about Chelsea Manning running for the Senate. I think that she should be in jail, because Mr Obama's decision was legitimate yet bad. Even convicted of treason, ideally. Leaking information like that is wrong in principle, because it can severely endanger national security and show weakness in it. It is especially questionable that a woman of such dubious character is running for a public office.

[Uxupox]

Not a fallacy when that is exactly what you commented.

It shows she serves the people with transparency.

The government shouldn't keep secrets to the people who vote it into office.

It shouldn't.

But It does need to in times of war. It's understandable.

Spying on your own populous in times of peace is bad.

I don't know if you have noticed but the CIA and FBI in cooperation with other assorted agencies have stopped a very large number of terrorist acts within the United States by "observing" on the populace.

[Liriena]

But you're basically admitting that it's not an opinion grounded in any sort of serious understanding of the relevant law. It's just vacuous emotional opinionating.

Yes? As far as I know, this is a discussion about what people think about Chelsea Manning running for the Senate. I think that she should be in jail, because Mr Obama's decision was legitimate yet bad. Leaking information like that is wrong in principle, because it can severely endanger national security and show weakness in it. It is especially questionable that a woman of such dubious character is running for a public office.

I don't think she's of dubious character. She acted in good faith, but unfortunately put her trust in the hands of an unrepentant garbage person like Assange. I think she's otherwise a pretty great person (and pretty resilient too, given what she put up with). And the government itself thought she did not actually endanger national security, so...

[Liriena]

It shouldn't.

But It does need to in times of war. It's understandable.

Spying on your own populous in times of peace is bad.

I don't know if you have noticed but the CIA and FBI in cooperation with other assorted agencies have stopped a very large number of terrorist acts within the United States by "observing" on the populace.

Not to incur in an appeal to authority... but do I have no bring up that old Benjamin Franklin quote about liberty and security?

[Uxupox]

Yes? As far as I know, this is a discussion about what people think about Chelsea Manning running for the Senate. I think that she should be in jail, because Mr Obama's decision was legitimate yet bad. Leaking information like that is wrong in principle, because it can severely endanger national security and show weakness in it. It is especially questionable that a woman of such dubious character is running for a public office.

I don't think she's of dubious character. She acted in good faith, but unfortunately put her trust in the hands of an unrepentant garbage person like Assange. I think she's otherwise a pretty great person (and pretty resilient too, given what she put up with). And the government itself thought she did not actually endanger national security, so...

Her leaks pretty much fucked Pashto translators which is a pretty big deal.

[Liriena]

A few more sauces on the alleged harm done by Chelsea's leaks:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130 ... eaks.shtml
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... g-pentagon
http://thehill.com/policy/national-secu ... aks-report

[Uxupox]

I don't know if you have noticed but the CIA and FBI in cooperation with other assorted agencies have stopped a very large number of terrorist acts within the United States by "observing" on the populace.

Not to incur in an appeal to authority... but do I have no bring up that old Benjamin Franklin quote about liberty and security?

So I guess I should go back in time and tell them to stop because they are damaging the "liberty" of these terrorists.