Chelsea Manning running for US Senate

[Salus Maior]

And how is any of this relevant to the fact that we have a person whose campaign is based on: "I am traitor! But I was pardoned so it don't count! Vote traitor everyone!"

Some of the very first elections in the United States was populated entirely by traitors and insurrectionists.

But not against our own country. Unless you'd want Benedict Arnold for president.

[Thermodolia]

Marijuana does crazy stuff to people. Namely those who don't use it.

I hear it turned Jeff Sessions into an elf.

I thought that was hatred

[Claorica]

And how is any of this relevant to the fact that we have a person whose campaign is based on: "I am traitor! But I was pardoned so it don't count! Vote traitor everyone!"

Some of the very first elections in the United States was populated entirely by traitors and insurrectionists.

>men pledge their fortunes, lives, and sacred honor to free themselves of a centralized tyranny 1000s of Miles away

>dude shares classified documents with little effect to the common man then changes gender and gets freed by the american version of Trudeau.


Yeah I don’t think that’s the same.

[Tekania]

Some of the very first elections in the United States was populated entirely by traitors and insurrectionists.

>men pledge their fortunes, lives, and sacred honor to free themselves of a centralized tyranny 1000s of Miles away

>dude shares classified documents with little effect to the common man then changes gender and gets freed by the american version of Trudeau.


Yeah I don’t think that’s the same.

And back then some people backed that government, and now some people back Manning... not intrinsically different at all. One man's traitor is another man's patriot.

It's great that someone who could be classed a traitor by some can run in this country for office. It's one of the aspects that makes this country great.

[Liriena]

Some of the very first elections in the United States was populated entirely by traitors and insurrectionists.

>men pledge their fortunes, lives, and sacred honor to free themselves of a centralized tyranny 1000s of Miles away

>dude shares classified documents with little effect to the common man then changes gender and gets freed by the american version of Trudeau.


Yeah I don’t think that’s the same.

Who is this "common man" and why does he turn a blind eye to war crimes and child sex slavery?

[Salus Maior]

>men pledge their fortunes, lives, and sacred honor to free themselves of a centralized tyranny 1000s of Miles away

>dude shares classified documents with little effect to the common man then changes gender and gets freed by the american version of Trudeau.


Yeah I don’t think that’s the same.

And back then some people backed that government, and now some people back Manning... not intrinsically different at all. One man's traitor is another man's patriot.

It's great that someone who could be classed a traitor by some can run in this country for office. It's one of the aspects that makes this country great.

No, that's stupid.

Again, none of the founding fathers were traitors to our country, and obviously we didn't consider ourselves to be part of Britain so to the Americans they weren't traitors, that's just what the British thought.

Would you tell me honestly that you'd want an actual traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold, to run for office?

[Great Lakes Municipalities]

Hope she wins. She is a smart cookie. Wish I was an American living in Maryland so I could vote for her! I think that her running is great trolling against transphobes and the so-called "intelligence community". The fact that she wrote a bill in prison is pretty badass too. If exposing war crimes makes you a felon, then being a felon in this case is a badge of honour. She was extremely brave for doing that, for coming out as trans and now running for senate despite the rampant transphobia coming her way. Whether or not she gets elected, shes very courageous and I greatly admire her.

[Liriena]

And back then some people backed that government, and now some people back Manning... not intrinsically different at all. One man's traitor is another man's patriot.

It's great that someone who could be classed a traitor by some can run in this country for office. It's one of the aspects that makes this country great.

No, that's stupid.

Again, none of the founding fathers were traitors to our country, and obviously we didn't consider ourselves to be part of Britain so to the Americans they weren't traitors, that's just what the British thought.

Would you tell me honestly that you'd want an actual traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold, to run for office?

Benedict Arnold was actually a pretty okay guy, from what I recall, and a damn good military leader, who got repeatedly screwd over. I'd throw him a bone.

[Salus Maior]

No, that's stupid.

Again, none of the founding fathers were traitors to our country, and obviously we didn't consider ourselves to be part of Britain so to the Americans they weren't traitors, that's just what the British thought.

Would you tell me honestly that you'd want an actual traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold, to run for office?

Benedict Arnold was actually a pretty okay guy, from what I recall, and a damn good military leader, who got repeatedly screwd over. I'd throw him a bone.

He also switched sides and fought against us with the British because he didn't get the promotion he wanted. Don't be a fool.

[Kenmoria]

No, that's stupid.

Again, none of the founding fathers were traitors to our country, and obviously we didn't consider ourselves to be part of Britain so to the Americans they weren't traitors, that's just what the British thought.

Would you tell me honestly that you'd want an actual traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold, to run for office?

Benedict Arnold was actually a pretty okay guy, from what I recall, and a damn good military leader, who got repeatedly screwd over. I'd throw him a bone.

Benedict also switched sides out of pure greed. A perfect example of why we shouldn't want an individual like him or Chelsea Manning in office.

[Zanera]

Benedict Arnold was actually a pretty okay guy, from what I recall, and a damn good military leader, who got repeatedly screwd over. I'd throw him a bone.

He also switched sides and fought against us with the British because he didn't get the promotion he wanted. Don't be a fool.

And he moved straight to Britain.

[Liriena]

Benedict Arnold was actually a pretty okay guy, from what I recall, and a damn good military leader, who got repeatedly screwd over. I'd throw him a bone.

Benedict also switched sides out of pure greed. A perfect example of why we shouldn't want an individual like him or Chelsea Manning in office.

Chelsea Manning didn't "switch sides" or do it for the money, tho

[Alvecia]

Benedict also switched sides out of pure greed. A perfect example of why we shouldn't want an individual like him or Chelsea Manning in office.

Chelsea Manning didn't "switch sides" or do it for the money, tho

Arguably the motivation was for the good of the country.

[Ifreann]

Maybe...

Now I was serious about some things. But other stuff was more or less hyped up for effect.

Care to explain - you or Iffy or Liriena - how the last two pages have anything to do with Chelsea Manning's declaration for a Senate seat?

Whether Manning's leaking constitutes the worst possible thing or not goes to her suitability for the Democratic nomination/Senate.

[Major-Tom]

Benedict also switched sides out of pure greed. A perfect example of why we shouldn't want an individual like him or Chelsea Manning in office.

Chelsea Manning didn't "switch sides" or do it for the money, tho

You ever seen Manning and Arnold in the same room? If not, why, hm? Maybe they're the same person!

[Farnhamia]

Care to explain - you or Iffy or Liriena - how the last two pages have anything to do with Chelsea Manning's declaration for a Senate seat?

Whether Manning's leaking constitutes the worst possible thing or not goes to her suitability for the Democratic nomination/Senate.

It seemed to me to be more about Thermodolia's possible moral turpitude. No matter, we seem to be back on topic.

[Tekania]

And back then some people backed that government, and now some people back Manning... not intrinsically different at all. One man's traitor is another man's patriot.

It's great that someone who could be classed a traitor by some can run in this country for office. It's one of the aspects that makes this country great.

No, that's stupid.

Again, none of the founding fathers were traitors to our country, and obviously we didn't consider ourselves to be part of Britain so to the Americans they weren't traitors, that's just what the British thought.

Would you tell me honestly that you'd want an actual traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold, to run for office?

They were traitors to those colonists who were loyal to the Crown, yes. Not everyone in the colonies was onboard with the Revolution/Insurrection.

Yes, I have no problem with a "traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold" to run for office. Can''t say whether or not he would be elected, but if that is what the people where he is running want, that is what they want. I see no problem with a representative form of government for people to be allowed to chose the representative they want. Even if that representative does not represent what random person X wants.

We the people..... I have no problem with the people being allowed speak. It is why I served this country.

[Salus Maior]

No, that's stupid.

Again, none of the founding fathers were traitors to our country, and obviously we didn't consider ourselves to be part of Britain so to the Americans they weren't traitors, that's just what the British thought.

Would you tell me honestly that you'd want an actual traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold, to run for office?

They were traitors to those colonists who were loyal to the Crown, yes. Not everyone in the colonies was onboard with the Revolution/Insurrection.

Yes, I have no problem with a "traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold" to run for office. Can''t say whether or not he would be elected, but if that is what the people where he is running want, that is what they want. I see no problem with a representative form of government for people to be allowed to chose the representative they want. Even if that representative does not represent what random person X wants.

We the people..... I have no problem with the people being allowed speak. It is why I served this country.

Then hope I never see you complain about Trump's alleged collaboration with Russia.

[Liriena]

Chelsea Manning didn't "switch sides" or do it for the money, tho

You ever seen Manning and Arnold in the same room? If not, why, hm? Maybe they're the same person!

I won't believe it until Alex Jones says it.

[Tekania]

They were traitors to those colonists who were loyal to the Crown, yes. Not everyone in the colonies was onboard with the Revolution/Insurrection.

Yes, I have no problem with a "traitor to our own country, say, Benedict Arnold" to run for office. Can''t say whether or not he would be elected, but if that is what the people where he is running want, that is what they want. I see no problem with a representative form of government for people to be allowed to chose the representative they want. Even if that representative does not represent what random person X wants.

We the people..... I have no problem with the people being allowed speak. It is why I served this country.

Then hope I never see you complain about Trump's alleged collaboration with Russia.

You haven't.... I absolutely abhor hypocrites.

[Great Lakes Municipalities]

It's kind of a cliche to call someone a Benedict Arnold whenever someone does something the national leadership disapproves of, isn't it? I mean, leaking information of warcrimes can hardly qualify one for being a traitor.

[Salus Maior]

Then hope I never see you complain about Trump's alleged collaboration with Russia.

You haven't.... I absolutely abhor hypocrites.

As do I. And I also dislike ideas that are potentially extremely destructive to ones own country like yours.

[Opfornia]

This is a good thing. More whistle blower politicians please, we should have a transparency party!

[Salus Maior]

It's kind of a cliche to call someone a Benedict Arnold whenever someone does something the national leadership disapproves of, isn't it? I mean, leaking information of warcrimes can hardly qualify one for being a traitor.

I wasn't calling Manning a Benedict Arnold. I was using Arnold as an example, I'm not so much arguing against Manning (I'm not even sure what exactly she leaked or the consequences of that leak) as I am against the idea apparently evident in this thread that it's totally fine to allow open, clear traitors into the government.

Which is basically saying we should allow the government and the country to shoot itself in the head based on a extremely naive and foolish idea of egalitarianism.

[Kenmoria]

Benedict also switched sides out of pure greed. A perfect example of why we shouldn't want an individual like him or Chelsea Manning in office.

Chelsea Manning didn't "switch sides" or do it for the money, tho

No, but both betrayed their country.