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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:01 pm

No. There shouldn’t be any limits on baby making in fact it should be the exact opposite. Also I don’t care if the the immigrants from the Middle East grow up poor and live in shity conditions, they aren’t compatible with our culture
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:06 pm

Population reduction is one of many necessary things if we are serious about tackling global ecological disaster. Global 1 child policy pls.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:09 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Population reduction is one of many necessary things if we are serious about tackling global ecological disaster. Global 1 child policy pls.

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Postby Pope Joan » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:14 pm

In a New Jersey park from which one may view the Statue of Liberty, couples with children in strollers were jeered at by handholding men.

"Breeders!" they taunted, and danced around them making comments I will not repeat.

It's not like these are poor families overflowing with children, either. For all we know, the kid in the stroller was their only one.

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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:19 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Population reduction is one of many necessary things if we are serious about tackling global ecological disaster. Global 1 child policy pls.

...Considering the One-Child Policy in China crippled China’s development massively, and Japan’s declining birth-rate (about 1 child per family) has resulted in generations not having enough people to succeed them in the workplace, I’m going to take, “Statements That Show You Have No Idea What You’re Talking About” for 500, Alex.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:20 pm

United Imperial Systems wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:There are already parts of Europe (like Frankfurt) where the majority is immigrant, and in the United States, the trend is pretty much irreversible already, with whites no longer being a majority of births.

(Germany)


(France)

Migrant background =/= Middle east.
Maybe watch the video?

I said in my first post that it doesn't mean Middle East. The origin of the migrants doesn't change that they're not natives.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:21 pm

Luminesa wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Population reduction is one of many necessary things if we are serious about tackling global ecological disaster. Global 1 child policy pls.

...Considering the One-Child Policy in China crippled China’s development massively, and Japan’s declining birth-rate (about 1 child per family) has resulted in generations not having enough people to succeed them in the workplace, I’m going to take, “Statements That Show You Have No Idea What You’re Talking About” for 500, Alex.

Imagine thinking that this is a bigger issue than mass desertification, huge increases in violent storms and fires, and low-lying countries being absorbed into the ocean.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:28 pm

Luminesa wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Population reduction is one of many necessary things if we are serious about tackling global ecological disaster. Global 1 child policy pls.

...Considering the One-Child Policy in China crippled China’s development massively, and Japan’s declining birth-rate (about 1 child per family) has resulted in generations not having enough people to succeed them in the workplace, I’m going to take, “Statements That Show You Have No Idea What You’re Talking About” for 500, Alex.


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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:33 pm

No, there shouldn't be.

Limits on how many children can a couple have are retarded.
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Postby Aigania » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:37 pm

There limits for breeding are the carrying capacity of the ecosystem. Period.

With technology you can increase it ... for a while.

After that, either the population control themselves or nature will do for them, (and it wouldn't be pretty).
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:40 pm

The highly educated and affluent reproduce less than the uneducated and poor.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:41 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.

Some have suggested that the alternative is to stop taking in Middle Eastern immigrants in the first place. But this would doom them to a life of poverty and war. Why not just place limits on the number of children you can have, regardless of race, so that the Middle Eastern immigrants can't outbreed the locals, and the environment will be better protected from us humans?


The more educated women are, the less children they have. Overpopulation can be solved by simply educating women.

Ideally, every country would have primary school education and an adequate secondary school system. The best bang for your buck is primary school as that's where most of the benefits of education is found.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:42 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.


You misspelled Africa.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:47 pm

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Luminesa wrote:...Considering the One-Child Policy in China crippled China’s development massively, and Japan’s declining birth-rate (about 1 child per family) has resulted in generations not having enough people to succeed them in the workplace, I’m going to take, “Statements That Show You Have No Idea What You’re Talking About” for 500, Alex.

Imagine thinking that this is a bigger issue than mass desertification, huge increases in violent storms and fires, and low-lying countries being absorbed into the ocean.

All of those are massive issues, yes, which can also be solved without depleting the human population.
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Luminesa wrote:...Considering the One-Child Policy in China crippled China’s development massively, and Japan’s declining birth-rate (about 1 child per family) has resulted in generations not having enough people to succeed them in the workplace, I’m going to take, “Statements That Show You Have No Idea What You’re Talking About” for 500, Alex.


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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:00 pm

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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.


You misspelled Africa.


Poor countries (specifically developing nations) in general breed more than more developed nations, this has been a trend observed since the 19th century, I think. Such habits usually fade after a generation of living in a new country, tho.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:06 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Telconi wrote:
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What is "I believe in Anarcho-Primitivism"?

*Hands you 500.*

Wait. I'm not Alex.

And if I'm not Alex and you're not Alex, THEN WHO'S DRIVING THE PLANE?!

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Postby Oil exporting People » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:07 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Imagine thinking that this is a bigger issue than mass desertification


Which isn't happening, for the record. Actually, quite the reverse is.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:09 pm

Valrifell wrote:Poor countries (specifically developing nations) in general breed more than more developed nations, this has been a trend observed since the 19th century, I think.


Indeed, but such doesn't change the fact Africa is breeding well beyond what it should be while the West isn't.

Such habits usually fade after a generation of living in a new country, tho.


Debatable in the European context, with the last study I'm aware of being conducted in the 1980s. Even still, this doesn't change the fact, as I said above, what is currently happening inside of Africa.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:12 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Poor countries (specifically developing nations) in general breed more than more developed nations, this has been a trend observed since the 19th century, I think.


Indeed, but such doesn't change the fact Africa is breeding well beyond what it should be while the West isn't.


Because Africa is poorer than the West. Also, Africans can reproduce at whichever rate they dareso please, overpopulation is an overstated threat that will dissipate with the development of those countries. Like what happened in the West post-Industrial Revolution.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:13 pm

Luminesa wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Population reduction is one of many necessary things if we are serious about tackling global ecological disaster. Global 1 child policy pls.

...Considering the One-Child Policy in China crippled China’s development massively, and Japan’s declining birth-rate (about 1 child per family) has resulted in generations not having enough people to succeed them in the workplace, I’m going to take, “Statements That Show You Have No Idea What You’re Talking About” for 500, Alex.

People have been fearmongering about imminent economic disaster in Japan for a while now, yet such predictions have yet to verify.

Anyway, it's only economically disastrous if you give old people a pension. Sounds callous, but if the alternative is the environmental devastation human presence causes, it ought to be considered.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:14 pm

Aigania wrote:There limits for breeding are the carrying capacity of the ecosystem. Period.

With technology you can increase it ... for a while.

After that, either the population control themselves or nature will do for them, (and it wouldn't be pretty).

If nature does it for them, it also does it for us. Why should we have to suffer the consequences of them having more children than the environment could afford?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:14 pm

Valrifell wrote:Because Africa is poorer than the West.


...which I acknowledged, but is irrelevant to the central fact this is still happening.

Also, Africans can reproduce at whichever rate they dareso please, overpopulation is an overstated threat that will dissipate with the development of those countries. Like what happened in the West post-Industrial Revolution.


Not really, because their continued growth poses not only an impediment to their own development, but also to other nations such as those in the West that are currently projected to have to deal with massive refugee influxes.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:15 pm

Luminesa wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Imagine thinking that this is a bigger issue than mass desertification, huge increases in violent storms and fires, and low-lying countries being absorbed into the ocean.

All of those are massive issues, yes, which can also be solved without depleting the human population.

How so?
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Postby The Burke Islands » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:22 pm

Putting aside the obvious immorality behind restricting a basic biological function, one that brings many people happiness, China has shown that restricting birth rates at gunpoint to reduce the population’s growth doesn’t work.

We could look to other solutions to potential overpopulation, such as making incentives for people to move to less populated areas, GMOs to sustain a larger population, and other more daring ideas such as colonization for Mars or the Moon.
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