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by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:19 pm
by Valrifell » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:22 pm
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Although the space required just for human habitation and energy production is abundant, with the current need of food (and land and water for the plants, and if meat is added in, which uses more land and water, and food of their own) and the current population growth, standards of living will drop eventually unless someone makes more earths.
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:23 pm
Asylheim wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.
Some have suggested that the alternative is to stop taking in Middle Eastern immigrants in the first place. But this would doom them to a life of poverty and war. Why not just place limits on the number of children you can have, regardless of race, so that the Middle Eastern immigrants can't outbreed the locals, and the environment will be better protected from us humans?
You're all f'd up. To put it simply: Europe for the Europeans, REMOVE KEBAB!!!
by USS Monitor » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:27 pm
Asylheim wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.
Some have suggested that the alternative is to stop taking in Middle Eastern immigrants in the first place. But this would doom them to a life of poverty and war. Why not just place limits on the number of children you can have, regardless of race, so that the Middle Eastern immigrants can't outbreed the locals, and the environment will be better protected from us humans?
You're all f'd up. To put it simply: Europe for the Europeans, REMOVE KEBAB!!!
by Sovaal » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:29 pm
Valrifell wrote:Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Although the space required just for human habitation and energy production is abundant, with the current need of food (and land and water for the plants, and if meat is added in, which uses more land and water, and food of their own) and the current population growth, standards of living will drop eventually unless someone makes more earths.
Or or or or oooorrrrr, we could just invest more energy, time, and money into evenly distributing the land and resources of the planet, since it's so unequally distributed.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:23 pm
Chessmistress wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.
Wrong premise, clearly not based on facts, therefore the conclusion have to be necessarly faulted.
This is actual fertility rate, in 2015:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP ... desc=false
Replacement rate is at 2.1
The higher fertility rate among major western nations is France, at 2.0
All the others have a lower fertility rate:
USA and UK both 1.8, Germany 1.5, Spain 1.3
So, your premise is wrong: the western world is making babies at such rate that actually reduce its population, and such fertility rate is a national average, including even migrants.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:36 pm
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:42 pm
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Under no circumstances. Encouraging contraception and sex education, though, may put some off of having children. Not even inbreeding should be banned, as it is up to the parents to take the risk of having an incestuous love-child.
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:45 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Under no circumstances. Encouraging contraception and sex education, though, may put some off of having children. Not even inbreeding should be banned, as it is up to the parents to take the risk of having an incestuous love-child.
This is something I'm still iffy on, because it greatly increases the chance of your kids being fucked up
by The Conez Imperium » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:54 pm
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:This is something I'm still iffy on, because it greatly increases the chance of your kids being fucked up
I'm iffy on incest as much as the next man, but at the end of the day, as long as a condom is used and the risk is known, I don't have a problem with it.
I by no means think it is a very smart thing to do. I doubt I'd give a Noble prize to the guy who thought that fornicating his sister was good for his health.
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:58 pm
The Conez Imperium wrote:Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
I'm iffy on incest as much as the next man, but at the end of the day, as long as a condom is used and the risk is known, I don't have a problem with it.
I by no means think it is a very smart thing to do. I doubt I'd give a Noble prize to the guy who thought that fornicating his sister was good for his health.
The state has no business in legislating who you have consensual sex with and how you do it. Although, I'll let society dictate if incest is seen positively or negatively.
by Novowarsawianka » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:59 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Chessmistress wrote:
Wrong premise, clearly not based on facts, therefore the conclusion have to be necessarly faulted.
This is actual fertility rate, in 2015:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP ... desc=false
Replacement rate is at 2.1
The higher fertility rate among major western nations is France, at 2.0
All the others have a lower fertility rate:
USA and UK both 1.8, Germany 1.5, Spain 1.3
So, your premise is wrong: the western world is making babies at such rate that actually reduce its population, and such fertility rate is a national average, including even migrants.
Except that the environment could be even better protected by an even lower birthrate.
So my point still applies.
by Genivaria » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:01 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Conez Imperium wrote:
The state has no business in legislating who you have consensual sex with and how you do it. Although, I'll let society dictate if incest is seen positively or negatively.
Of course it's the state's business. Everything is the state's business. Moreover, the state decides what consent is.
by United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:05 pm
by Asylheim » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:02 pm
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by United Imperial Systems » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:04 am
Independent Carolina wrote:They got space ninja assassins with teleportation and freakin' light sabers man.
Would not fuck with them/10
by The Federation of Kendor » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:12 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:No. We have an individual right to pollute the Earth if national governments and corporations can do it. Plus having children is a human right and human rights > Earth's rights. People first, babies first.
Corporations pollute precisely because they're competing to pander to customers. Same for governments, at least in democracies.
Also, pollution infringes on the rights of other humans anyway.
North Korean Russia wrote:"I am God! You are powerless against me! I am so awesome that when I play basketball I always get four points per shot!" -Kim Jong-Putin.
Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Their founder turned into an eagle and flew into the sun before being burned to death. This is what their flag really means, and any other attempt at explanation of its meaning is ignored in favor of this explanation.
by Oil exporting People » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:23 am
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Although the space required just for human habitation and energy production is abundant, with the current need of food (and land and water for the plants, and if meat is added in, which uses more land and water, and food of their own) and the current population growth, standards of living will drop eventually unless someone makes more earths.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:28 am
Novowarsawianka wrote:Not to forget, while you measure the tiniest changes to the environment, overpopulation is a way worse problem for Africa than just a slightly bigger carbon emission. Resources are scarce enough there, they will only get worse if they keep up the trend. The climate isn't favouring them either, so you will see not just even less resources, especially food, but more conflict.
Novowarsawianka wrote:Instead of being an authoritarian who wants to limit people from breeding, rather help those who truly need help and help protection and sexual education, or rather, education in general, to reach them.
Novowarsawianka wrote:Instead of going crazy over the sea levels rising for a milimeter, or so, rather worry that millions of children will grow up in even worse conditions than they do now in those places.
Novowarsawianka wrote:We need more children growing up in develop countries to continue development, while the underdeveloped world is stabilized. We can reach the technological level to reverse or adapt to any changes, or even begin space colonialization
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:29 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by United Imperial Systems » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:35 am
Independent Carolina wrote:They got space ninja assassins with teleportation and freakin' light sabers man.
Would not fuck with them/10
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