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Who would you support?

Milos Zeman
24
44%
Jiří Drahoš
20
37%
Michal Horáček
3
6%
Pavel Fischer
0
No votes
Mirek Topolánek
3
6%
None of the above
4
7%
 
Total votes : 54

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Postby Eibenland » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:55 pm

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Shrillland wrote:Too late, I'm afraid. He's already out. It's going to be Zeman vs. Drahos on the 26-27th.


Fuck, okay I pick Zeman because a Keynesian with a knowledge of economics is better than a socialist with no knowledge of economics.

Drahos isn't a socialist, Zeman is more economically left-wing.
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Postby Improved werpland » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:54 am

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Improved werpland wrote:Yea how dare those morally imperialist Germans not be chauvinistic. Do they think they're better than us or something?


Exactly. Good on you for joining the TruePath® .

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Postby Collatis » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:53 am

Drahoš is mediocre, but is nonetheless certainly preferable to Zeman.

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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:07 am

Zeman has won the election in a close run of 51% of the vote.

The turnout was 67%, the highest since 1998 legislative elections.

Zeman improves on his popular vote by 150k votes, but down on proportion by 3% since 2013. Opposition candidate is up 500k votes.

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Among Zeman's core promises was a cosying up to "emerging powers", a closer foreign policy to the V4 Group, a 'consultation' on an EU referendum in 2020 and promised vetoes on joining the Euro and Migrant Resettlement even if the country votes to stay in the EU.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:02 am

Trumptonium wrote:Zeman has won the election in a close run of 51% of the vote.

The turnout was 67%, the highest since 1998 legislative elections.

Zeman improves on his popular vote by 150k votes, but down on proportion by 3% since 2013. Opposition candidate is up 500k votes.




Among Zeman's core promises was a cosying up to "emerging powers", a closer foreign policy to the V4 Group, a 'consultation' on an EU referendum in 2020 and promised vetoes on joining the Euro and Migrant Resettlement even if the country votes to stay in the EU.



Sigh....closer intergration with the V4 is the last thing Europe needs at this point...ah, well. The closeness of the vote means that if there is a Czecxit- or Czecszit, rather-vote in 2020, it could at least be close. The V4's heart and soul also goes to the polls in the spring, but we'll get to that when we get to it.
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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:05 am

Shrillland wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:Zeman has won the election in a close run of 51% of the vote.

The turnout was 67%, the highest since 1998 legislative elections.

Zeman improves on his popular vote by 150k votes, but down on proportion by 3% since 2013. Opposition candidate is up 500k votes.




Among Zeman's core promises was a cosying up to "emerging powers", a closer foreign policy to the V4 Group, a 'consultation' on an EU referendum in 2020 and promised vetoes on joining the Euro and Migrant Resettlement even if the country votes to stay in the EU.



Sigh....closer intergration with the V4 is the last thing Europe needs at this point...ah, well.


To the contrary, we need more brains in Europe to counter the hearts.

Or in some cases, more brains to counter the self-hatred.

Shrillland wrote:The closeness of the vote means that if there is a Czecxit- or Czecszit, rather-vote in 2020, it could at least be close.


You mean Czechout.

Shrillland wrote: The V4's heart and soul also goes to the polls in the spring, but we'll get to that when we get to it.


I mean, nobody will even bother to make a thread on the Hungarian election because Orban is basically guaranteed another term unless he launches a civil war or taxes breathing.

V4 has the Czech Republic now back on its side with Babis for a good few years, Slovakia is on the edge but Fico is secure to 2020 and Poland of course has another election next year (how time flies) but..
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On the plus side, Romania is cosying up to V4, Austria's Kurz has expressed intention of forging closer political ties with the V4 and he's been invited to the next summit.
Poland has also been solving its squabbles with Lithuania, and officially ended funding support for the Polish minority party which holds 6% of their parliament seats and is often a tie breaker, so they've been pivoting closer towards V4.

Opinion polls for the 2019 Latvian parliamentary election show that the Farmers party is on course to become the plurality for the first time, expected to lead the usual coalition, which is great news as they are very eurosceptic and in favour of pivoting towards V4. Estonia's election next year is threatening the post-1990 stability as the far-right party is now polling 16%, making the usual coalitions impossible without extreme bipartisanship or including the party in coalition talks. They want to leave the EU completely.

So, for now, it seems like V4 will be far stronger and more stable 5 years down the line than today. Especially if we factor in the economic booms going on in all of those countries.
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Postby Lavrokrazhia » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:25 pm

Now that President Zeman is re-elected, do we get a repeat of this? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G7XlF8z6aGM

I also want to hear more things about «Pasy Rajut».

(I'm not trying to mock Mr Zeman. I just like some light-heartedness in today's rod-in-the-a*se politics.)
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:08 am

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:06 pm

Just out of curiosity - what was Drahos' stance on adopting the Euro as a currency? Could that be why he lost?

If I'm in the Czech Republic as a citizen, I'd certainly want to keep my currency, and if Zeman is what it takes, then I'm all for Zeman.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:14 pm

Shofercia wrote:Just out of curiosity - what was Drahos' stance on adopting the Euro as a currency? Could that be why he lost?

If I'm in the Czech Republic as a citizen, I'd certainly want to keep my currency, and if Zeman is what it takes, then I'm all for Zeman.


Well, back in the OP, is said that he wouldn't have rushed into the Eurozone, probably because a lot of people wouldn't be in favour of losing control of their monetary policy and because Czechia simply doesn't have the economy that the western EU nations have.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:32 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Just out of curiosity - what was Drahos' stance on adopting the Euro as a currency? Could that be why he lost?

If I'm in the Czech Republic as a citizen, I'd certainly want to keep my currency, and if Zeman is what it takes, then I'm all for Zeman.


Well, back in the OP, is said that he wouldn't have rushed into the Eurozone, probably because a lot of people wouldn't be in favour of losing control of their monetary policy and because Czechia simply doesn't have the economy that the western EU nations have.


I see, thank you.

Also, stop calling it Czechia, unless you want CNN to confuse it with Chechnya :P

Actually, I think someone confused Slovakia and Slovenia when it came to ice hockey, and that became a running joke among hockey fans.
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Postby Improved werpland » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:21 pm

Trumptonium wrote:Opinion polls for the 2019 Latvian parliamentary election show that the Farmers party is on course to become the plurality for the first time, expected to lead the usual coalition, which is great news as they are very eurosceptic and in favour of pivoting towards V4. Estonia's election next year is threatening the post-1990 stability as the far-right party is now polling 16%, making the usual coalitions impossible without extreme bipartisanship or including the party in coalition talks. They want to leave the EU completely.

Don't know about what you said of Lithuania, but such is not so in Latvia. The Russian party is going to be the plurality again, like always, and may even be more competitive than usual thanks to their disavowal of Kremlin affiliation. Estonia isn't in big danger either. The far-right party looks clearly overhyped to me, given how they were trounced in the municipal elections, and they aren't too Eurosceptic anyway. Thankfully, The Baltics have not yet been afflicted by the Euromasochist bug, unlike for many Slavic lands.

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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:23 pm

Improved werpland wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:Opinion polls for the 2019 Latvian parliamentary election show that the Farmers party is on course to become the plurality for the first time, expected to lead the usual coalition, which is great news as they are very eurosceptic and in favour of pivoting towards V4. Estonia's election next year is threatening the post-1990 stability as the far-right party is now polling 16%, making the usual coalitions impossible without extreme bipartisanship or including the party in coalition talks. They want to leave the EU completely.

Don't know about what you said of Lithuania, but such is not so in Latvia. The Russian party is going to be the plurality again, like always, and may even be more competitive than usual thanks to their disavowal of Kremlin affiliation. Estonia isn't in big danger either. The far-right party looks clearly overhyped to me, given how they were trounced in the municipal elections, and they aren't too Eurosceptic anyway. Thankfully, The Baltics have not yet been afflicted by the Euromasochist bug, unlike for many Slavic lands.


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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:37 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Just out of curiosity - what was Drahos' stance on adopting the Euro as a currency? Could that be why he lost?

If I'm in the Czech Republic as a citizen, I'd certainly want to keep my currency, and if Zeman is what it takes, then I'm all for Zeman.


Well, back in the OP, is said that he wouldn't have rushed into the Eurozone, probably because a lot of people wouldn't be in favour of losing control of their monetary policy and because Czechia simply doesn't have the economy that the western EU nations have.


Prague does.

The rest of the Czech Republic is pretty much on the same level as Portugal or middle Italy.
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:41 pm

Improved werpland wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:Opinion polls for the 2019 Latvian parliamentary election show that the Farmers party is on course to become the plurality for the first time, expected to lead the usual coalition, which is great news as they are very eurosceptic and in favour of pivoting towards V4. Estonia's election next year is threatening the post-1990 stability as the far-right party is now polling 16%, making the usual coalitions impossible without extreme bipartisanship or including the party in coalition talks. They want to leave the EU completely.

Don't know about what you said of Lithuania, but such is not so in Latvia. The Russian party is going to be the plurality again, like always,


I said Farmers Party.

Not Saskana.

Improved werpland wrote:and may even be more competitive than usual thanks to their disavowal of Kremlin affiliation. Estonia isn't in big danger either. The far-right party looks clearly overhyped to me, given how they were trounced in the municipal elections, and they aren't too Eurosceptic anyway.


The elections where one in four people voted?

You know, if we went by any-election-but-the-general-election as "proof" of anything then the UKIP would be leading the UK as they won the 2014 European Elections with 30% of the vote. Oh, and the Lib Dems would also be very influential in a UKIP coalition due to their local election performance.

Oh wait.

Improved werpland wrote: Thankfully, The Baltics have not yet been afflicted by the Euromasochist bug, unlike for many Slavic lands.
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They pretty much have, especially in the movements Lithuania is making post-Grybauskaite with all the most likely choices.
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Postby Improved werpland » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:52 pm

Trumptonium wrote:I said Farmers Party.

Not Saskana.

Yea that's the point. It's going to be the Russian one not the Farmers.

The elections where one in four people voted?

Yeah that'll show em

They are very eurosceptic.

Why didn't any of their supporters vote? If its really so popular it wouldn't come in last in the actual polls.

Not so. They want a "Europe of nations" and tried to join the ECR.
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:56 pm

Improved werpland wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:I said Farmers Party.

Not Saskana.

Yea that's the point. It's going to be the Russian one not the Farmers.


Oh I just realised the Farmers haven't had the largest opinion poll vote for 1.5 years

im out of date

Improved werpland wrote:Why didn't any of their supporters vote? If its really so popular it wouldn't come in last in the actual polls.


because nobody anywhere cares about local elections

Improved werpland wrote:Not so. They want a "Europe of nations" and tried to join the ECR.


which wants to reform the EU back into a free trade bloc with zero institutions

i'd call that very eurosceptic if you ask me...
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Postby Improved werpland » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:08 pm

Trumptonium wrote:because nobody anywhere cares about local elections

Strong, devoted partisans tend to. Not having those isn't good, especially when their leader is a city council member IIRC.

which wants to reform the EU back into a free trade bloc with zero institutions

i'd call that very eurosceptic if you ask me...

It's moderately Eurosceptic if you ask me. Most Eurosceptics simply want to leave immediately or get rid of the EU, hence why they should be called "Euromasochists."
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:40 pm

Disappointed, but not surprised, that Mr. Drahoš lost. He ran a pretty poor campaign against what should've been a vulnerable incumbent.

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Postby Air Control » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:36 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Disappointed, but not surprised, that Mr. Drahoš lost. He ran a pretty poor campaign against what should've been a vulnerable incumbent.

Don't think too much of it, don't lose any sleep. Elections in the USA and Germany have more impact on Czechia than actual Czech elections anyway. Those are more like provincial run-ups, or school council elections.

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