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Postby New Emeline » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:19 pm

"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven. Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.…"

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Postby New Emeline » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:20 pm

Aillyria wrote:
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They're right actually. Antifa is just another mob group posing as a social movement.

No, I agree on that, I just think it's odd that BLM and feminism are considered on the same level.

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Postby Aillyria » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:30 pm

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Aillyria wrote:They're right actually. Antifa is just another mob group posing as a social movement.

No, I agree on that, I just think it's odd that BLM and feminism are considered on the same level.

BLM, 3rd~4th wave Feminism, and Antifa are all part of the same general ideological current, tbh.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:30 pm

Torrocca wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:considering you have jesus in your flag, I assume that you realize Jesus didn't approve of violence, but Antifa does. I bet you claim to be a pacifist.


Jesus literally toiled to make a whip then used said whip to assault a bunch of greedy bankers that'd set up shop in a place of worship. What're you even on about lmao know your written works before you claim something like that.

please show where it says that?
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:47 pm

The of Japan wrote:
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Jesus literally toiled to make a whip then used said whip to assault a bunch of greedy bankers that'd set up shop in a place of worship. What're you even on about lmao know your written works before you claim something like that.

please show where it says that?


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Postby The of Japan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:48 pm

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Postby R249 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:01 pm

R249 wrote:So why do people hate fascism more than communism?

First of all, the biggest reason might be that we didn't fight a gigantic, glorified war to exterminate communism. While both are evil, fascism killed a lot of Americans in only 4 years of American involvement in World War II. And people get excited about war. Wars against communism, though? The "forgotten" Korean War and the hated Vietnam War.

Also, it could be partially because of the ideals they're founded on. Marx was complaining about capitalism, which many on the left still hate. Fascism was inspired by a hatred of the Treaty of Versailles installed by the Allied Powers - oh look, the Allied Powers won the next war, and the USSR was with them.

Being a form of socialism, communism shares heritage with pretty much the entire field of modern left-wing economic policy - and sure, Nazism is a form of socialism and also shares this heritage, but people don't know that, do they?

...Well, most of the reason falls on the left being influenced by socialism, admittedly. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if most educated people on the right (or at least the American far right) hated both equally. The right wing (at least in America) hates communism.

It's ironic, though - while both are horribly evil, fascism and communism don't necessarily imply genocide. Fascism is not always Nazism, and communism is not always Stalinism. So any genocide arguments should be more along the lines of possbility of genocide. Not trying to condone either ideology, of course.

[I'm realizing that I may have given the impression that I oppose US participation in World War II. I do not; I think that entering the war was one of FDR's better policies, and I fear what would have happened if we hadn't. The word "glorified" was meant to get the point across that people respect its goals and importance far more than that of the Korean War or the Vietnam War.]
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:42 pm


Jesus went against commercialism within the very confines of the Temple, which contributed to prominent people conspiring against him. His crucifixion was only a few days later. Coincidence? No. You disturb the flow of money, you get killed.


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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:29 pm

Torrocca wrote:
R249 wrote:and sure, Nazism is a form of socialism and also shares this heritage


Dafuq


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:32 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:

Jesus went against commercialism within the very confines of the Temple, which contributed to prominent people conspiring against him. His crucifixion was only a few days later. Coincidence? No. You disturb the flow of money, you get killed.

"Should we do something about this guy? He's going around telling people to be kind to each other, promising them a cushy afterlife...saying it's okay to be poor..."

"How's he on us?"

"Well, he say to keep paying taxes."

"Eh. Let him be."

"He just bitched up a bunch of money lenders."

"Motherfucker gotta go."
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:34 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Jesus went against commercialism within the very confines of the Temple, which contributed to prominent people conspiring against him. His crucifixion was only a few days later. Coincidence? No. You disturb the flow of money, you get killed.

"Should we do something about this guy? He's going around telling people to be kind to each other, promising them a cushy afterlife...saying it's okay to be poor..."

"How's he on us?"

"Well, he say to keep paying taxes."

"Eh. Let him be."

"He just bitched up a bunch of money lenders."

"Motherfucker gotta go."


Hence money being the root of all evil. :^)
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Postby Phoenicaea » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:21 pm

then, most influent State in the hearth, nowadays, formally calls itself People' s Republic and formally Communist, and not Fascist. that seems to be a growing cause.

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Postby Fahran » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:22 pm

Torrocca wrote:Stalin didn't kill any Nazis. The soldiers, sailors, and airmen of the Soviet Armed Forces did that.

And Harry S. Truman didn't personally drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He still receives credit for giving the order according to most of those who both praise and criticize him. Nitpicking over who precisely carried out the policy is something of a moot point.

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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:35 pm

Fahran wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Stalin didn't kill any Nazis. The soldiers, sailors, and airmen of the Soviet Armed Forces did that.

And Harry S. Truman didn't personally drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He still receives credit for giving the order according to most of those who both praise and criticize him. Nitpicking over who precisely carried out the policy is something of a moot point.


Just saying. The grunts of the Soviet Armed Forces are the ones deserving praise as being stand-up guys for their Nazi killing, not Stalin. :^)
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Fahran wrote:And Harry S. Truman didn't personally drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He still receives credit for giving the order according to most of those who both praise and criticize him. Nitpicking over who precisely carried out the policy is something of a moot point.


Just saying. The grunts of the Soviet Armed Forces are the ones deserving praise as being stand-up guys for their Nazi killing, not Stalin. :^)

This is a pedantic point upon which no one is ever, ever confused. It adds absolutely nothing.
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