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Claorica wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
I'm surprised it hasn't considering how desperate right-wing people are to censor any mention of the connection between the CSA and slavery.

I mean the left has already attempted to get rid of the national anthem "cause its racist"

[citation needed]

Vassenor wrote:

Claorica wrote:I mean the left has already attempted to get rid of the national anthem "cause its racist"

[citation needed]

Newsweek
CBS Sacramento

Vassenor wrote:

Claorica wrote:I mean the left has already attempted to get rid of the national anthem "cause its racist"

[citation needed]

Jesus, do you just have a notepad you open up just to copy and paste that?
Anyways, the claim's dubious, since the only thing I remember was one professor criticizing it, and that was because it was violent.

Claorica wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

Newsweek
CBS Sacramento

Anyone else think that the "liberals=leftists" shtick is getting old yet?

Kavagrad wrote:

Claorica wrote:Newsweek
CBS Sacramento

Anyone else think that the "liberals=leftists" shtick is getting old yet?

No.

Kavagrad wrote:

Claorica wrote:Newsweek
CBS Sacramento

Anyone else think that the "liberals=leftists" shtick is getting old yet?

No.

Because US Liberals aren't liberalism, and Classical Liberals wouldn't recognize them.

The best term is probably "Progressive" but even Theodore Roosevelt and his ilk would not find themselves at home in the DNC

Community Values wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

Jesus, do you just have a notepad you open up just to copy and paste that?
Anyways, the claim's dubious, since the only thing I remember was one professor criticizing it, and that was because it was violent.

No, I've done it enough times to memorise how.

The part of the anthem that's usually sung isn't racist, but the part in dispute looks questionable.
Still not a reason to do away with it.

Claorica wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

Newsweek
CBS Sacramento

One person =/= "the left".

There's a better anthem out there tho

Vassenor wrote:

Claorica wrote:Newsweek
CBS Sacramento

One person =/= "the left".

Um...a whole chapter of the NAACP is advocating for this, so this is WAAAAAY more than 1 person.

Claorica wrote:

Kavagrad wrote:Anyone else think that the "liberals=leftists" shtick is getting old yet?

No.

Because US Liberals aren't liberalism, and Classical Liberals wouldn't recognize them.

The best term is probably "Progressive" but even Theodore Roosevelt and his ilk would not find themselves at home in the DNC

Most US Liberals can't even be considered Social Democrats, and thus can't be considered Leftists, is my point. However, we are at risky level of threadjack at this juncture.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
One person =/= "the left".

Um...a whole chapter of the NAACP is advocating for this, so this is WAAAAAY more than 1 person.

Can we get a source for the whole chapter, not just its president?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:The part of the anthem that's usually sung isn't racist, but the part in dispute looks questionable.
Still not a reason to do away with it.

The part in question is about the practice of freeing slaves and indentured servants in a nation in return for serving in combat against that country.


Actually maybe we should revisit that practice in Africa... We could get some people on board.

Claorica wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:The part of the anthem that's usually sung isn't racist, but the part in dispute looks questionable.
Still not a reason to do away with it.

The part in question is about the practice of freeing slaves and indentured servants in a nation in return for serving in combat against that country.

That's not how everyone sees it tho, some see it as the author, Francis Scott Key, downplaying what our people did in the War

Claorica wrote:Actually maybe we should revisit that practice in Africa... We could get some people on board.

What?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Claorica wrote:The part in question is about the practice of freeing slaves and indentured servants in a nation in return for serving in combat against that country.

That's not how everyone sees it tho, some see it as the author, Francis Scott Key, downplaying what our people did in the War

Claorica wrote:Actually maybe we should revisit that practice in Africa... We could get some people on board.

What?

Freeing people enslaved in Libya and then enlisting those that are old enough, strong enough, and willing enough to fight back against their slavemasters.

Oh boy 42 pages!

I am unsure wether this was mentioned yet, but judging ideologies purely by their bodycount is a pretty terrible idea, because it leaves the following statement as true.

Considering that Esoteric Hitlerism hasn't killed anyone yet- it makes it more ethical than your standard Fascism, Marxism (and all it's derivations), and ya know what let's throw democracy in there as well.

I do not require to know the total death toll of fascism to consider it a trash ideology, and if you do -- then you really need to look into Esoteric Hitlerism- or transhumanism- because both ideologies are relatively new and have so far claimed no victims.

The death-counts of Stalin/Mao/Communism almost always include famines and other poverty related deaths alongside political repression. That is done because the famines/poverty are considered as failures of the Soviet/Chinese economic mode of production aka. Marxism/Socialism/Communism.

But If you do so, then out of the spirit of fairness, you must also extend the same practice to other ideologies- then it is quickly discover that over its +200y lifespan Capitalism has collected a headcount that stretches into the hundreds of millions, when poverty related deaths are taken into account.

By that logic: Capitalism is vile, Communism is vile, Democracy is vile (think of the civilians killed in the ME in its name), Religion is vile, everything but the newest ideologies with zero exposure to policy are vile.

Maybe rather than turning politics into a screaming match of who has the highest corpse pile, we instead scream about why those corpse mountains piled up.

Let's face it tho the american national anthem is lame as heck
If your anthem ain't designed for shooting austrians and using their blood as fertilizer what is it even good for

Kubra wrote:Let's face it tho the american national anthem is lame as heck
If your anthem ain't designed for shooting austrians and using their blood as fertilizer what is it even good for

>ywn have a national anthem as good as the romanians

Kubra wrote:Let's face it tho the american national anthem is lame as heck
If your anthem ain't designed for shooting austrians and using their blood as fertilizer what is it even good for

Honestly I wouldn't be adverse to using an american composed and written song, such as the full version of God Bless America or the 3rd and 4th Verses of "America, The beautiful."


To Put this thread back on the rails, it's pretty obvious: Because the left has hijacked terms like fascist and co-opted anarcho-communist organizations like the original antifa (which was a communist rebel militia in Weimar Germany.) When ancoms have convinced people that "to oppose antifa is to oppose anti-fascists and that makes you a fascist," it's pretty easy for people, especially a place like the US where the masses of urbanites love to soak up the words of celebrities (who mostly fall on the left) and others who get a lot of good coverage from places like CNN or MSNBC (and who it took almost a year for members of the DNC to disavow, even then only some) , to be sucked into the propaganda that somehow communism which has killed more people than fascism isn't as bad.

Kubra wrote:Let's face it tho the american national anthem is lame as heck

You kinda have a point, there's loads better natonal anthems I've heard. I love Japan's.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Kubra wrote:Let's face it tho the american national anthem is lame as heck

You kinda have a point, there's loads better natonal anthems I've heard. I love Japan's.

ok whoa wrong direction
Japan's is the snooziest anthem in the entire world

Kubra wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:You kinda have a point, there's loads better natonal anthems I've heard. I love Japan's.

ok whoa wrong direction
Japan's is the snooziest anthem in the entire world

Which anthem do you like?

Community Values wrote:

Kubra wrote:Let's face it tho the american national anthem is lame as heck
If your anthem ain't designed for shooting austrians and using their blood as fertilizer what is it even good for

>ywn have a national anthem as good as the romanians

is not bad
any anthem is immediately better with a marching snare
could be faster tho

Claorica wrote:As far as I know they haven't, or at least not one that's known outside of their tankers.

But the idea that "oh it was written by the Wehrmacht so it should be banned" is like saying the Texas ARNG, ANG, and State Guard should stop singing "It's a Yellow Rose in Texas" because the modern version was adapted by CSA Soldiers or the original version was about a "darkey" (old-fashioned, now considered derogatory but back then used by slaves and masters alike, term for a black person) who wants to go home to his old plantation to see his "Yellow Girl" (an old-fashioned term for a biracial Black/White Girl of light skin, what today's black people would call a "light skin")

The Panzerlied in question, wasn't just "written by the Wehrmacht", but was part of NS-Propaganda. Still, it was left in the official songbook until a Neo-Naziscandal plagued the Bundeswehr this year.
So they went over the songbook and recognised that it has a number of passages that don't fit the modern German Army, along with a number of other songs in the first revision since 1991.

The passages in question refer to how great it is to die for the Reich, among other things, so the real question should be why it wasn't thrown out long before. So the reasoning behind the decision was quite a bit more substantial than Wehrmacht=Ban this sick filth.
If you're really that keen on it, you can still sing it to hearts content.

Same goes for the entirety of the Deutschlandlied btw., though you won't exactly endear yourself to Germans by singing it. They are, for the most part, not exactly fans of the naked imperialism on display in the first stanza and more power to them.