Why isn't Socialism/Communism as frowned upon as Fascism?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Also, Antifa is not a terrorist organization. It's not even an organization.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Also, Antifa is not a terrorist organization. It's not even an organization.

At least in New Jersey it is indeed a domestic terrorist group, iirc.

[Trive 38]

The reason why communism isn't as hated as Nazism is because that statement is a complete lie. Communism is by far more hated than fascism ever has been. All of our lessons on communism in American schools are about how bad it was under the Soviet Union and China. All anybody ever talks about now is how likely it is for North Korea to nuke us. So no, fascism is not as hated as communism. BTW, the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea are not communist and never were; anybody who has ever read "Critique of the Gotha Programme" by Karl Marx will be able to tell you that. Communism is about freeing the working class, not replacing it's oppression from capitalist industry to state industry.

Please tell me why there is communist symbolism everywhere, and why those are not as frowned upon as, say, a National-Socialist flag.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Also, Antifa is not a terrorist organization. It's not even an organization.

At least in New Jersey it is indeed a domestic terrorist group, iirc.

True, except in New Jersey

[Community Values]

And endorsing it isn't against the law, nor should it be. If you believe that endorsing violence is enough to be "rehabilitated", then we better start throwing a lot of people in jail.

A nice misrepresentation of what I mean by rehabilitation. Look up through the chain, you'll see that I advocated for a program similar to the Aarhus Model.

That'd be fair enough, if it was only for the people who have committed or incited violence, and regardless of what type of extremist they are.

Also, Antifa is not a terrorist organization. It's not even an organization.

don't have to be an terrorist organization to be violent (at least towards trash cans)

[Claorica]

The reason why communism isn't as hated as Nazism is because that statement is a complete lie. Communism is by far more hated than fascism ever has been. All of our lessons on communism in American schools are about how bad it was under the Soviet Union and China. All anybody ever talks about now is how likely it is for North Korea to nuke us. So no, fascism is not as hated as communism. BTW, the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea are not communist and never were; anybody who has ever read "Critique of the Gotha Programme" by Karl Marx will be able to tell you that. Communism is about freeing the working class, not replacing it's oppression from capitalist industry to state industry.

Please tell me why there is communist symbolism everywhere, and why those are not as frowned upon as, say, a National-Socialist flag.

This x1000

If I were to sing the Horst-Wessel Lied, or even some completely non-nazi songs that were coopted by the nazis, i'd be arrested, Hell I'd get dirty looks in Germany for singing the (completely harmless) first bars of Deutschlandlied.

I could get away with little to no trouble singing the anthem of the Tyrannical DDR

[Kubumba Tribe]

Also, Antifa is not a terrorist organization. It's not even an organization.

don't have to be an terrorist organization to be violent (at least towards trash cans)

True.

[Kavagrad]

A nice misrepresentation of what I mean by rehabilitation. Look up through the chain, you'll see that I advocated for a program similar to the Aarhus Model.

That'd be fair enough, if it was only for the people who have committed or incited violence, and regardless of what type of extremist they are.
Naturally, it should be extended to any extremist that incites or commits violence. Again, I think endorsing violence should be treated similarly, but each to their own.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Please tell me why there is communist symbolism everywhere, and why those are not as frowned upon as, say, a National-Socialist flag.

This x1000

If I were to sing the Horst-Wessel Lied, or even some completely non-nazi songs that were coopted by the nazis, i'd be arrested, Hell I'd get dirty looks in Germany for singing the (completely harmless) first bars of Deutschlandlied.

Yes.....because neo-nazism and Nazism are one of the worst political ideologies in the world...

I could get away with little to no trouble singing the anthem of the Tyrannical DDR

I don't speak German, what's it say?

[Claorica]

This x1000

If I were to sing the Horst-Wessel Lied, or even some completely non-nazi songs that were coopted by the nazis, i'd be arrested, Hell I'd get dirty looks in Germany for singing the (completely harmless) first bars of Deutschlandlied.

Yes.....because neo-nazism and Nazism are one of the worst political ideologies in the world...

I could get away with little to no trouble singing the anthem of the Tyrannical DDR

I don't speak German, what's it say?

The point is that it is a symbol of the DDR, of which the actual politics of have been deemed unconstitutional, and yet its supporters doesn't receive near the persecution that the third reich does.

[Imperializt Russia]

What nationalities is advocated to be slaughtered in "Nazis should not be allowed to exist", exactly?

Nationalities that happen to support nazism at the time of his slaughtering, I suppose.

He'd have wiped out over 20 million Germans in 1940, more than the Allies managed times five, or he could go all-out if he didn't want to do some Nazi-vetting, I guess. However that would go. How would that go for anyone, anyway?

This was taken care of by a lesser-known conflict called the Second World War, in which Nazi military and paramilitary units were engaged, killed, taken prisoner and pushed back into their originating country and the organisations forcibly disbanded.

Pro-Nazi insurgents weren't a big thing in 1946 for some reason, and Denazification did the job for the remaining 20 million, who y'know, denounced Nazism.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yes.....because neo-nazism and Nazism are one of the worst political ideologies in the world...

I don't speak German, what's it say?

The point is that it is a symbol of the DDR, of which the actual politics of have been deemed unconstitutional, and yet its supporters doesn't receive near the persecution that the third reich does.

Ok, I read the English lyrics of the anthem, and they don't look that bad. Of course, I'm only reading the lyrics and not taking into account the history of East Germany...

[Community Values]

Naturally, it should be extended to any extremist that incites or commits violence. Again, I think endorsing violence should be treated similarly, but each to their own.

There's not enough risk associated with letting a person who just says they want to kill the rich (but is too spineless to do it) that we need to spend money to "rehabilitate" them from that viewpoint.
to each their own, I guess.

[Claorica]

The point is that it is a symbol of the DDR, of which the actual politics of have been deemed unconstitutional, and yet its supporters doesn't receive near the persecution that the third reich does.

Ok, I read the English lyrics of the anthem, and they don't look that bad. Of course, I'm only reading the lyrics and not taking into account the history of East Germany...

And the first two stanzas of Deutschlandlied aren't bad.

Nor is the Panzerlied that their pansy Minister of Defense just banned. Same with Edelweiss and Erika (which, while written during the Nazi Reign, are just about the same as any other soldier song about having a girl as beautiful as a flower back home, basically just the German versions of the Civil-War era soldier versions of "The Yellow Rose of Texas")

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nationalities that happen to support nazism at the time of his slaughtering, I suppose.

He'd have wiped out over 20 million Germans in 1940, more than the Allies managed times five, or he could go all-out if he didn't want to do some Nazi-vetting, I guess. However that would go. How would that go for anyone, anyway?

This was taken care of by a lesser-known conflict called the Second World War, in which Nazi military and paramilitary units were engaged, killed, taken prisoner and pushed back into their originating country and the organisations forcibly disbanded.

Pro-Nazi insurgents weren't a big thing in 1946 for some reason, and Denazification did the job for the remaining 20 million, who y'know, denounced Nazism.

Pro-Nazi attacks after the war were actually more common than most people assume. I don't have it on hand atm but the book The Last Nazis: SS Werewolf Guerrilla Resistance In Europe 1944-1947 is a good read on the subject.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Ok, I read the English lyrics of the anthem, and they don't look that bad. Of course, I'm only reading the lyrics and not taking into account the history of East Germany...

And the first two stanzas of Deutschlandlied aren't bad.

Nor is the Panzerlied that their pansy Minister of Defense just banned. Same with Edelweiss and Erika (which, while written during the Nazi Reign, are just about the same as any other soldier song about having a girl as beautiful as a flower back home, basically just the German versions of the Civil-War era soldier versions of "The Yellow Rose of Texas")

You're right. They don't look all that bad if you disregard the history behind the songs.
But still, they are associated with Nazism something Germant doesn't want to be remembered for.

[Imperializt Russia]

Ok, I read the English lyrics of the anthem, and they don't look that bad. Of course, I'm only reading the lyrics and not taking into account the history of East Germany...

And the first two stanzas of Deutschlandlied aren't bad.

Nor is the Panzerlied that their pansy Minister of Defense just banned. Same with Edelweiss and Erika (which, while written during the Nazi Reign, are just about the same as any other soldier song about having a girl as beautiful as a flower back home, basically just the German versions of the Civil-War era soldier versions of "The Yellow Rose of Texas")

No, the Panzerlied isn't intended as an explicit "Nazi anthem".

However, it was written for and used by the Nazi Wehrmacht. In isolation, it is innocuous, but I'm sure the German Armed Forces can come up with their own tanker's song that wasn't used by the Nazis.

[Claorica]

And the first two stanzas of Deutschlandlied aren't bad.

Nor is the Panzerlied that their pansy Minister of Defense just banned. Same with Edelweiss and Erika (which, while written during the Nazi Reign, are just about the same as any other soldier song about having a girl as beautiful as a flower back home, basically just the German versions of the Civil-War era soldier versions of "The Yellow Rose of Texas")

You're right. They don't look all that bad if you disregard the history behind the songs.
But still, they are associated with Nazism something Germant doesn't want to be remembered for.

And Most of Germany (outside some idiots) don't want to be remembered for the DDR Either, considering it was a satellite state of the Soviet Union with its own (party-approved) version of the Gestapo.

[Imperializt Russia]

This was taken care of by a lesser-known conflict called the Second World War, in which Nazi military and paramilitary units were engaged, killed, taken prisoner and pushed back into their originating country and the organisations forcibly disbanded.

Pro-Nazi insurgents weren't a big thing in 1946 for some reason, and Denazification did the job for the remaining 20 million, who y'know, denounced Nazism.

Pro-Nazi attacks after the war were actually more common than most people assume. I don't have it on hand atm but the book The Last Nazis: SS Werewolf Guerrilla Resistance In Europe 1944-1947 is a good read on the subject.

I'm sure they existed and perhaps even launched some successful attacks, but would have been no rival to either the Resistance efforts during the War, nor pro-Soviet insurgents in the same period.

[Claorica]

And the first two stanzas of Deutschlandlied aren't bad.

Nor is the Panzerlied that their pansy Minister of Defense just banned. Same with Edelweiss and Erika (which, while written during the Nazi Reign, are just about the same as any other soldier song about having a girl as beautiful as a flower back home, basically just the German versions of the Civil-War era soldier versions of "The Yellow Rose of Texas")

No, the Panzerlied isn't intended as an explicit "Nazi anthem".

However, it was written for and used by the Nazi Wehrmacht. In isolation, it is innocuous, but I'm sure the German Armed Forces can come up with their own tanker's song that wasn't used by the Nazis.

As far as I know they haven't, or at least not one that's known outside of their tankers.

But the idea that "oh it was written by the Wehrmacht so it should be banned" is like saying the Texas ARNG, ANG, and State Guard should stop singing "It's a Yellow Rose in Texas" because the modern version was adapted by CSA Soldiers or the original version was about a "darkey" (old-fashioned, now considered derogatory but back then used by slaves and masters alike, term for a black person) who wants to go home to his old plantation to see his "Yellow Girl" (an old-fashioned term for a biracial Black/White Girl of light skin, what today's black people would call a "light skin")

[Imperializt Russia]

Maybe they should.

Oh no, how will western culture survive without an old slave song being popular.

[Claorica]

Maybe they should.

Oh no, how will western culture survive without an old slave song being popular.

Well, most of America's folk music comes from either old slave songs or are shamelessly borrowed/stolen/ripped from the four nations (not nation-states of which there are only 2) of the British Isles

[Vassenor]

No, the Panzerlied isn't intended as an explicit "Nazi anthem".

However, it was written for and used by the Nazi Wehrmacht. In isolation, it is innocuous, but I'm sure the German Armed Forces can come up with their own tanker's song that wasn't used by the Nazis.

As far as I know they haven't, or at least not one that's known outside of their tankers.

But the idea that "oh it was written by the Wehrmacht so it should be banned" is like saying the Texas ARNG, ANG, and State Guard should stop singing "It's a Yellow Rose in Texas" because the modern version was adapted by CSA Soldiers or the original version was about a "darkey" (old-fashioned, now considered derogatory but back then used by slaves and masters alike, term for a black person) who wants to go home to his old plantation to see his "Yellow Girl" (an old-fashioned term for a biracial Black/White Girl of light skin, what today's black people would call a "light skin")

I'm surprised it hasn't considering how desperate right-wing people are to censor any mention of the connection between the CSA and slavery.

[Claorica]

As far as I know they haven't, or at least not one that's known outside of their tankers.

But the idea that "oh it was written by the Wehrmacht so it should be banned" is like saying the Texas ARNG, ANG, and State Guard should stop singing "It's a Yellow Rose in Texas" because the modern version was adapted by CSA Soldiers or the original version was about a "darkey" (old-fashioned, now considered derogatory but back then used by slaves and masters alike, term for a black person) who wants to go home to his old plantation to see his "Yellow Girl" (an old-fashioned term for a biracial Black/White Girl of light skin, what today's black people would call a "light skin")

I'm surprised it hasn't considering how desperate right-wing people are to censor any mention of the connection between the CSA and slavery.

I mean the left has already attempted to get rid of the national anthem "cause its racist"

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm surprised it hasn't considering how desperate right-wing people are to censor any mention of the connection between the CSA and slavery.

I mean the left has already attempted to get rid of the national anthem "cause its racist"

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