Why isn't Socialism/Communism as frowned upon as Fascism?

[Claorica]

I'm simply saying I sympathize with the alt right just as much as I sympathize with the fascistic self-identified ancoms that are part of Antifa.

They have the right to protest, and just because some of them are Nazis doesn't mean that antifa has the right to start being violent. Nor does it mean that anything violent is somehow acceptable against them.

Last summer I went on holiday to Normandy. Quite a few Americans were violent against nazis there, and that was an extremely good thing.

Hmmm... Two countries at war (and I wouldn't bless those deaths because most of those people weren't nazis. In fact, most of the ones in Normandy were part of the SS Divisions, which by 1944 had deteriorated from the elite fighting force of the Nazi Party to being mostly young boys and elderly men.)

But back to the point.

There's a huge difference between two countries being at war (which we should've followed up by liberating the oppressed eastern countries as well, while we still had a massive arms advantage) a bunch of urbanite cowards throwing bricks through windows and hitting people with bats, hyped up about some rebellion that's never going to happen.

[Telconi]

I'm simply saying I sympathize with the alt right just as much as I sympathize with the fascistic self-identified ancoms that are part of Antifa.

They have the right to protest, and just because some of them are Nazis doesn't mean that antifa has the right to start being violent. Nor does it mean that anything violent is somehow acceptable against them.

Last summer I went on holiday to Normandy. Quite a few Americans were violent against nazis there, and that was an extremely good thing.

Those Nazis weren't Americans...

[Kavagrad]

Last summer I went on holiday to Normandy. Quite a few Americans were violent against nazis there, and that was an extremely good thing.

Those Nazis weren't Americans...

Since when was that relevant? Nazis are Nazis, and their hateful ideology should be stomped out wherever it is found.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Those Nazis weren't Americans...

Since when was that relevant? Nazis are Nazis, and their hateful ideology should be stomped out wherever it is found.

Tbqh we should go back to the good ol days when we crushed both extremes.

[Oil exporting People]

Since when was that relevant? Nazis are Nazis, and their hateful ideology should be stomped out wherever it is found.

Follow the event chain and see the question that started it off. Further, reflect upon what you said about stomping it out and then consider what exactly that entails to your own beliefs.

[Halfblakistan]

Because socialism is awesome, and fascism is the opposite.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Probably because fascism had more of a direct cause to the deadliest conflict in human history than socialism and communism.

[Vassenor]

You, regarding the question in the title. In a country where our government won't even condemn violence committed by neo-Nazis, fascism is not receiving nearly as much opposition as communism.

You know those neonazis were attacked by leftists, right? No one's supported the car guy, but the violence at the rally wouldn't have happened if the antifa fascists hadn't been there.

Oh hey gonna need sauce for that.

[Purpelia]

You know those neonazis were attacked by leftists, right? No one's supported the car guy, but the violence at the rally wouldn't have happened if the antifa fascists hadn't been there.

Oh hey gonna need sauce for that.

You genuinely need a source to say that a group of violent terrorists would not have caused violence if they had not been present?

[Vassenor]

Oh hey gonna need sauce for that.

You genuinely need a source to say that a group of violent terrorists would not have caused violence if they had not been present?

For the accusation that it started when the counter-protesters struck first, yes.

[Purpelia]

You genuinely need a source to say that a group of violent terrorists would not have caused violence if they had not been present?

For the accusation that it started when the counter-protesters struck first, yes.

A counter protest from a registered violent terrorist organization is in its own right a threat of violence. And last time I checked in america you can respond with force legitimately to ward off a threat of direct violence. E.G. if someone points a gun at you than you don't have to wait for him to fire in order for it to count as self defense.

[Mattopilos II]

I can think of a few reasons, but I would say their ideas are more easily accepted by a liberal ideology than fascists, their systems manage to last longer than fascists, and they like to at least attempt more of an overarching theory to their intents and ends compared to fascists.

[Vassenor]

For the accusation that it started when the counter-protesters struck first, yes.

A counter protest from a registered violent terrorist organization is in its own right a threat of violence. And last time I checked in america you can respond with force legitimately to ward off a threat of direct violence. E.G. if someone points a gun at you than you don't have to wait for him to fire in order for it to count as self defense.

And can you prove that said "registered violent terrorist organization" (whatever the hell that means) was even present?

Especially when we have evidence that the neo-nazis were planning to start violence no matter what.

https://www.unicornriot.ninja/2017/data-release-unite-right-planning-chats-demonstrate-violent-intent/

https://www.unicornriot.ninja/2017/data-release-discord-chats-planned-armed-neo-nazi-militia-operations-charlottesville/

And video of them starting shit.

https://www.unicornriot.ninja/2017/white-supremacist-mob-carrying-torches-attacks-anti-racist-protesters-charlottesville/

[Kavagrad]

Since when was that relevant? Nazis are Nazis, and their hateful ideology should be stomped out wherever it is found.

Follow the event chain and see the question that started it off. Further, reflect upon what you said about stomping it out and then consider what exactly that entails to your own beliefs.

When libertarian socialists start advocating or carrying out the killing of entire racial groups, you'll have a valid point.

[Trumptonium]

Especially when we have evidence that the neo-nazis were planning to start violence no matter what.

Especially when we have evidence

evidence

https://www.unicornriot.ninja/

You never fail to crack me up.

Follow the event chain and see the question that started it off. Further, reflect upon what you said about stomping it out and then consider what exactly that entails to your own beliefs.

When libertarian socialists start advocating or carrying out the killing of entire racial groups, you'll have a valid point.

You're advocating the killing of entire ideological groups and nationalities, what is your point?

[Vassenor]

Especially when we have evidence that the neo-nazis were planning to start violence no matter what.

Especially when we have evidence

evidence

https://www.unicornriot.ninja/

You never fail to crack me up.

Was there an actual point you were trying to make or were you just desperately searching for a cheap gotcha?

[Imperializt Russia]

You'll find very few left-wingers (who are not ardent supporters of authoritarian 'socialist' regimes) who deny that events like the purges, mass imprisonment, suspension of rights and Holodomor or other famines/failures are atrocities.

But laying them at the feet of "socialism/communism" is like saying the Great Depression was the result of fascist policy because the American industrialists of that time all looked up to Hitler. Yes, they were right-leaning, pro-corporate capitalist models of governance but were fundamentally dissimilar. Much like the USSR is fundamentally different to libertarian socialism or social democracy (which are also fundamentally different to each other) though all 3 are left-leaning, pro-worker 'socialist' models of governance (there are various arguments that neither social democracy nor the USSR attain meaningful qualifiers to be considered 'socialist').

[Imperializt Russia]

When libertarian socialists start advocating or carrying out the killing of entire racial groups, you'll have a valid point.

You're advocating the killing of entire ideological groups and nationalities, what is your point?

What nationalities is advocated to be slaughtered in "Nazis should not be allowed to exist", exactly?

[Catalonya]

Follow the event chain and see the question that started it off. Further, reflect upon what you said about stomping it out and then consider what exactly that entails to your own beliefs.

Stomping them out leads to war crimes that give moral victory to their cause, and only emboldens them to fight even more fanatically
So in whose advantage is that strategy?

[Imperializt Russia]

You, regarding the question in the title. In a country where our government won't even condemn violence committed by neo-Nazis, fascism is not receiving nearly as much opposition as communism.

You know those neonazis were attacked by leftists, right? No one's supported the car guy, but the violence at the rally wouldn't have happened if the antifa fascists hadn't been there.

"The car guy" has been pretty widely supported.

Crowdfunding websites have had to continually remove campaigns intended to provide financial support to his legal defence. Various alt-right figures have tweeted direct or implicit support, while others made token denouncements.
Not to mention the zillion alt-right falsehoods that Fields was actually an anti-Trump leftist; a false-flag attacker; or misidentifying him as the car's previous owner and claiming that person was an anti-Trump leftist.

[Vassenor]

You know those neonazis were attacked by leftists, right? No one's supported the car guy, but the violence at the rally wouldn't have happened if the antifa fascists hadn't been there.

"The car guy" has been pretty widely supported.

Crowdfunding websites have had to continually remove campaigns intended to provide financial support to his legal defence. Various alt-right figures have tweeted direct or implicit support, while others made token denouncements.
Not to mention the zillion alt-right falsehoods that Fields was actually an anti-Trump leftist; a false-flag attacker; or misidentifying him as the car's previous owner and claiming that person was an anti-Trump leftist.

Or insisting that he was fleeing a violent mob that was beating his car with bats despite it being completely undamaged in the video.

[Community Values]

You know those neonazis were attacked by leftists, right? No one's supported the car guy, but the violence at the rally wouldn't have happened if the antifa fascists hadn't been there.

"The car guy" has been pretty widely supported.

Crowdfunding websites have had to continually remove campaigns intended to provide financial support to his legal defence. Various alt-right figures have tweeted direct or implicit support, while others made token denouncements.
Not to mention the zillion alt-right falsehoods that Fields was actually an anti-Trump leftist; a false-flag attacker; or misidentifying him as the car's previous owner and claiming that person was an anti-Trump leftist.

wow, a violent minority supports a violent person.
Is this what counts as "pretty widely supported" these days?

[Trumptonium]

You're advocating the killing of entire ideological groups and nationalities, what is your point?

What nationalities is advocated to be slaughtered in "Nazis should not be allowed to exist", exactly?

Nationalities that happen to support nazism at the time of his slaughtering, I suppose.

He'd have wiped out over 20 million Germans in 1940, more than the Allies managed times five, or he could go all-out if he didn't want to do some Nazi-vetting, I guess. However that would go. How would that go for anyone, anyway?

[Claorica]

Those Nazis weren't Americans...

Since when was that relevant? Nazis are Nazis, and their hateful ideology should be stomped out wherever it is found.

Yeah no. Fuck you and your Antifa "we should kill nazis wherever we find them" bullshit.

It's leftists like this that really warm me up to Hoppe's idea of physical removal, Because it really is self defense when "It's ok to punch/kill nazis/fascists no matter what" and then "if you don't agree with me you are a fascist" are both said by the same leftists.

[Vassenor]

Since when was that relevant? Nazis are Nazis, and their hateful ideology should be stomped out wherever it is found.

Yeah no. Fuck you and your Antifa "we should kill nazis wherever we find them" bullshit.

It's leftists like this that really warm me up to Hoppe's idea of physical removal, Because it really is self defense when "It's ok to punch/kill nazis/fascists no matter what" and then "if you don't agree with me you are a fascist" are both said by the same leftists.

Where does that post say anything about killing?