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Postby -Ocelot- » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:15 pm

Vassenor wrote:How do you nationalise a multinational corporation?


Thankfully, you can't. A good thing about globalism is that dictatorships can't wipe out a big company like Google by nationalizing it. But you can drive a multinational corporation out of your nation, if that's what you desire.



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Considering that the moon can easily be argued (an in my opinion, proven) to be a holographic projection of cheddar cheese....


Just because you buy into it doesn't make it true, you know. For starters, there's a schism over whether Misandry is even a thing. If your movement has a sizable contingent that outright argues it's impossible to hate, show contempt, or discriminate against another group, that strikes me as of the same substance as denying, say, anti-semitism is a thing, itself evidence of the problem.

Then you've got the consistent focus on male perpetrators. Not female victims, male perpetrators, as female victims of female perpetrators are often ignored. This extends even into issues like Slut Shaming, where the majority is conducted by straight women against straight women, but the focus still remains on male perpetrators. This reveals that the movement is not interested in helping women, but attacking men. Much like someone who said "We just care about terrorism" but only ever talked about Muslim terrorism could be reasonably called an Islamophobe hiding behind sophistry, most feminists can be concluded to be misandrists.

This all applies to the mainstream. Fringe feminists may differ from these observable trends. You mock my line there because you're in denial over it, and refuse to actually consider whether the things feminism asserts about itself are true.

The conservatives claim they want a strong economy and conflate conservatism with it, despite evidence to the contrary.
So it goes for feminism asserting it means equality. No conspiracy necessary, just ignorance, incompetence, and a refusal to question dogma.

You've got "Manspreading" and "Male tears" as examples of rhetorical misandry from mainstream feminism, which themselves grow out of the "There is no misandry" assertion.
If the evidence contains instances of those terms, he may as well cash the cheque early, as the public isn't going to put up with what many feminists have convinced themselves is normal behavior, as normal.


Not relevant to the discussion but if you expect me to read a 200 paragraph rant about how misandry oppresses you, you are out of luck. I can't do it, sorry. Blame feminism.

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Postby Hirota » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:16 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:Not relevant to the discussion but if you expect me to read a 200 paragraph rant about how misandry oppresses you, you are out of luck. I can't do it, sorry. Blame feminism.
Now now ocelot, there are plenty of feminists who can read and can debate in good faith perfectly well. So I wouldn't blame feminism for your current bout of fecklessness.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:40 pm

Reading some of the stuff this lawsuit reveals about Google's internal policies does make the place look like it's run by the more delusional members of Tumblr... then again they most likely have tumblr types working for them so no surprise.

The real question though is if those polices are sincere or just done to pander and appease employees...
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:05 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:So now it's not ok for a private company to enforce it's views on people?

That's not exactly what's going on.
They're acting discriminatory against their employees based on the views of said employees. And potentially some racial and sexual discrimination, too...

So you can do it to your customers, not your employees? Seems backwards
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:08 pm

Hirota wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:Not relevant to the discussion but if you expect me to read a 200 paragraph rant about how misandry oppresses you, you are out of luck. I can't do it, sorry. Blame feminism.
Now now ocelot, there are plenty of feminists who can read and can debate in good faith perfectly well. So I wouldn't blame feminism for your current bout of fecklessness.


Plenty implies we have enough of them, and I suspect you don't believe that's the case. I don't.
So, there are some feminists who can read and debate in good faith perfectly well.

I also don't think that that distinction being meaningful is a coincidence. You can't necessarily blame cigarettes for your cancer either, and yet...

Feminism in the mainstream outlets is basically synonymous with bad faith argumentation. To defend the feminist mainstream, good faith has to be sacrificed as a requirement. See, for example, the caricature of the complainants views put out, compared to the more mild truth.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:11 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Hirota wrote:Now now ocelot, there are plenty of feminists who can read and can debate in good faith perfectly well. So I wouldn't blame feminism for your current bout of fecklessness.


Plenty implies we have enough of them, and I suspect you don't believe that's the case. I don't.
So, there are some feminists who can read and debate in good faith perfectly well.

I also don't think that that distinction being meaningful is a coincidence. You can't necessarily blame cigarettes for your cancer either, and yet...

Feminism in the mainstream outlets is basically synonymous with bad faith argumentation. To defend the feminist mainstream, good faith has to be sacrificed as a requirement. See, for example, the caricature of the complainants views put out, compared to the more mild truth.

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:13 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:That's not exactly what's going on.
They're acting discriminatory against their employees based on the views of said employees. And potentially some racial and sexual discrimination, too...

So you can do it to your customers, not your employees? Seems backwards

A company firing someone, cutting off their source of income, for their personal views is better than simply not baking a cake for a gay wedding?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:14 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:So you can do it to your customers, not your employees? Seems backwards

A company firing someone, cutting off their source of income, for their personal views is better than simply not baking a cake for a gay wedding?

I'm trying to understand the logic.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:18 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ors Might wrote:A company firing someone, cutting off their source of income, for their personal views is better than simply not baking a cake for a gay wedding?

I'm trying to understand the logic.

Fair enough. But in these two cases, one is clearly being dealt more harm. From what I understand the man who was fired didn’t break any of Google’s rules when he sent the memo. His firing could very well be argued as unjustified.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:19 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I'm trying to understand the logic.

Fair enough. But in these two cases, one is clearly being dealt more harm. From what I understand the man who was fired didn’t break any of Google’s rules when he sent the memo. His firing could very well be argued as unjustified.

True, but the argument for denying customers service based on the businesses rights, why not fire their own employees for any reason?
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:31 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Fair enough. But in these two cases, one is clearly being dealt more harm. From what I understand the man who was fired didn’t break any of Google’s rules when he sent the memo. His firing could very well be argued as unjustified.

True, but the argument for denying customers service based on the businesses rights, why not fire their own employees for any reason?

That’s a valid question. The answer is that I’m not sure. I concede that the arguments I’d use for the business being allowed to deny service can just as well be applied to the employee being fired. I would also point out that the reverse, that the arguments against denying service can be applied to not firing employees in a discriminatory manner, is also true. In short, I don’t know mate.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:01 pm

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The problem is that there's no competing product. If CEOs want to play politics, we need competing products. When ESPN decided to pollute the waves with SJW whining, some of the sports fans switched to Fox Sports. There needs to be something like Fox Sports for Google.

When was that?

Also, there already is a Fox Sports for Google, but y'all won't use it.


Bing ain't comparable to Google, anymore than Yahoo is comparable to Bing. As for SJW's and ESPN, here ya go: https://nypost.com/2017/02/14/espn-fire ... iams-suit/

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https://www.snopes.com/2017/08/23/robert-lee-espn/

ESPN did not 'fire' sportscaster Robert Lee because his name offends liberals, but they did opt to reassign him from calling a U Va. game after three deaths occurred during protests in Charlottesville.


Yep, his "crime" was the name Robert Lee. If he name was Gangsta Fish, he would've been totally fine.

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Postby Shofercia » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:04 pm

Vassenor wrote:How do you nationalise a multinational corporation?


With the agreement of the United Nations. Hey, we can make the UN Great Again - just have to nationalize Google!
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:17 pm

Liriena wrote:Dude, do your research. He's been a guest in a variety of far right channels.


"Far right". I know how far left you lean so your definition of "far right" is skewed from the beginning. And I asked for evidence, no one has yet to provide any. "It's not my job to educate you" is the preserve of the intellectually lazy.

So I'll repeat: where has Damore shared an opinion that is one usually found within an extremist ideology that is based in violence.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:19 pm

Kavagrad wrote:Way to fight the strawman, but unfortunately I never said anything about camps, or about "anyone that disagrees" with me. Come up with an argument that is at least based on what I actually said, or don't bother responding at all.


That is what you said though. It may not have been in words, but that's your intent.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:22 pm

Kavagrad wrote:Which is why reeducation and rehabilitation is necessary before that happens, and showing that the bigoted and dangerous views of the alt-right will not be accepted by society is the first step.


The mental disconnect here is indeed fascinating.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:25 pm

Vassenor wrote:How do you nationalise a multinational corporation?

you cant fully, but you can sieze everything in the country.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:27 pm

Vassenor wrote:How do you nationalise a multinational corporation?


Pretty easily, in the case of Google. The vast majority of their infrastructure and finance is based in the U.S. and other measures can definitely be undertaken as needed.
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Bing ain't comparable to Google, anymore than Yahoo is comparable to Bing. As for SJW's and ESPN, here ya go: https://nypost.com/2017/02/14/espn-fire ... iams-suit/

A tennis commentator dropped by ESPN for a remark about Venus Williams during the Australian Open sued the sports network Tuesday for wrongful termination. Former tennis pro Doug Adler maintains he was describing Williams’ aggressive style last month as “guerrilla” tactics and not comparing her to a “gorilla.” He apologized for his poor word choice but was let go from ESPN mid-tournament.


https://www.snopes.com/2017/08/23/robert-lee-espn/

ESPN did not 'fire' sportscaster Robert Lee because his name offends liberals, but they did opt to reassign him from calling a U Va. game after three deaths occurred during protests in Charlottesville.


Yep, his "crime" was the name Robert Lee. If he name was Gangsta Fish, he would've been totally fine.

Yeah, a bit overreaction-y.

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Costa Fierro wrote:*bullshit ad hom about me being too "far left" to know who's really far right*

Not an argument.

Also, he made an interview with Stefan fucking Molyneux, for one.
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Liriena wrote:Also, he made an interview with Stefan fucking Molyneux, for one.


> TFW Stefan Molyneux is Far Right
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Vassenor wrote:How do you nationalise a multinational corporation?

That’s easy, you don’t.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:38 pm

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Liriena wrote:Also, he made an interview with Stefan fucking Molyneux, for one.


> TFW Stefan Molyneux is Far Right

Yes. He's also an impressively bad film critic and historian, but that's another matter entirely.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:*bullshit ad hom about me being too "far left" to know who's really far right*

Not an argument.

Also, he made an interview with Stefan fucking Molyneux, for one.

He's not the type of person that comes to mind when you read "far-right".
"Far-right" has connotations that don't apply to Molyneux, him seeming to be a right-libertarian if not a full-blown anarcho-capitalist. Just because Business Insider said it doesn't mean it's accurate with what the term means.

So, yes, while literally speaking, Molyneux is far-right, in terms of the implications of the term he's not.

Also, it is possible to be too far to one side of the political spectrum to accurately gauge the political positions of others based on their views. Antifa does it all the time.
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Liriena wrote:Yes.


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