Google Manifesto Lawsuit Published

[Montchevre]

Having to listen to Damore snot off in the unskippable PragerU youtube ads made me hate him out of spite. If he wants to jabber about how great Donald Trump is, that's just fine. Out of curiosity though, if I get hired at Fox, mouth off about how great Che was, and get fired, will you all support my free speech case?

[Targovia]

Hey, infiltrating Breitbart and relentlessly trolling the joy out of that ugly circle-jerk of fascism would be its own prize even if it didn't change it for the better.

> Breitbart
> Fascist

This is Poe's Law, right?

Yeah, it should be fairly easy to tell actual fascists from people on the right.

The Daily Stormer is not at all comparable to Breitbart.

[Liriena]

Not really? I'd criticize them for being fascists. MSNBC and Salon are just media outlets. So long as they didn't harm any good, innocent people...

Yeah it's not like MSNBC, Salon, and CNN are as biased and shitty as Breitbart.

And aforementioned companies have never harmed good innocent people.

Not at all.

I was talking about the fascists, not the outlets.

Also... no, they are not as bad as Breitbart. For one, unlike Breitbart, they do not have whole sections dedicated to "Black Crime" and "Fake Hate Crimes".

CNN, MSNBC, Salon... they are crap in their own ways, but at least there are decent people working within those outlets and doing good reporting. Breitbart gave us Hanrahan.

[Liriena]

Hey, infiltrating Breitbart and relentlessly trolling the joy out of that ugly circle-jerk of fascism would be its own prize even if it didn't change it for the better.

> Breitbart
> Fascist

This is Poe's Law, right?

Wouldn't be a funny Poe.

I will give you this: maybe they are not as committed to being scum like fan-favorite Stormfront.

[Liriena]

> Breitbart
> Fascist

This is Poe's Law, right?

Yeah, it should be fairly easy to tell actual fascists from people on the right.

The Daily Stormer is not at all comparable to Breitbart.

Breitbart isn't just "people on the right". That's an insult to moderate right-wing publications who don't actively and openly pander to Nazis and the like.

[Targovia]

Yeah it's not like MSNBC, Salon, and CNN are as biased and shitty as Breitbart.

And aforementioned companies have never harmed good innocent people.

Not at all.

I was talking about the fascists, not the outlets.

Also... no, they are not as bad as Breitbart. For one, unlike Breitbart, they do not have whole sections dedicated to "Black Crime" and "Fake Hate Crimes".

CNN, MSNBC, Salon... they are crap in their own ways, but at least there are decent people working within those outlets and doing good reporting. Breitbart gave us Hanrahan.

>CNN threatens to release the personal information of a man who made a stupid gif.
>t-there are decent people who do good reporting
No, they are all shitty, and they all need to be replaced by a media that is unbiased and doesn't threaten people who make memes ripping on them.

But I don't think the present media is gonna be ripped from their pedestal of power anytime soon, unless somebody really ballsy and influential decides to change things in this country.

[Thermodolia]

Yeah, it should be fairly easy to tell actual fascists from people on the right.

The Daily Stormer is not at all comparable to Breitbart.

Breitbart isn't just "people on the right". That's an insult to moderate right-wing publications who don't actively and openly pander to Nazis and the like.

Breitbart might be far-right but they aren’t Nazi or Daily Stormer tier far right, at least they aren’t yet

[Oil exporting People]

Breitbart isn't just "people on the right". That's an insult to moderate right-wing publications who don't actively and openly pander to Nazis and the like.

> Breitbart
> Nazi

I think it's safe to say at this point you have no clue of what you speak of.

[Liriena]

He specifically denies genocides committed by white people, and simultaneously peddles "white genocide" bullshit. Put 2 and 2 together.

Makes him a shitty person, not alt-right.

So what would make him "alt-right", if being openly racist to the point of denying genocides and making others up isn't enough? Do I have to bring up the fact that Molyneoux also buys into the race and IQ bullshit?

Treating his opinions on race as if they were just apolitical personality traits borders on delusion.

I'd say that depends on how you frame it, really. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think what I did fits the definition of "guilty by association".

Yes it does. It was suggesting that because someone was interviewed by a person labelled as alt-right is alt-right themselves because of that.

If someone agreed to be interviewed by a far right douche, I think they might sympathize with that person's ideas to some extent, or otherwise tolerate them... unless, of course, the interview was more akin to a debate or a fairly contentious interview.

It's not the same as saying that Damore is responsible for the entirety of Molyneux's actions or opinions.

Fucking Stefan Molyneux.

I'll believe it when I see it.

...do you even know who I'm talking about?

I don't "utterly detest centrists", though.

You say this right after saying that centrism have a tendency to be "butt buddies" with the far right.

Yes. But that's just an observation on my part, albeit a harshly worded one. Not a condemnation of all centrists.

Marxism-Leninism has a historical tendency to lead to fairly bureaucratic dictatorships. That's an observation, not a condemnation of all Marxism-Leninism or all Marxist-Leninists.

[Montchevre]

The media will never improve until news corporations stop generating such massive profits off the crap news they produce right now. Lefty news publishes some overwrought article about Trump, right-wing news defends him; both groups make a killing in the process. It's strange to me that so many people think the media are conspiring to take over the country. They, like most other corporations, simply want to maximize their profits, and this administration is wonderful for any stripe of news.

[Liriena]

Breitbart isn't just "people on the right". That's an insult to moderate right-wing publications who don't actively and openly pander to Nazis and the like.

> Breitbart
> Nazi

I think it's safe to say at this point you have no clue of what you speak of.

Do you?

[Liriena]

Breitbart isn't just "people on the right". That's an insult to moderate right-wing publications who don't actively and openly pander to Nazis and the like.

Breitbart might be far-right but they aren’t Nazi or Daily Stormer tier far right, at least they aren’t yet

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/10/06/breitbart-emails-trace-neo-nazi-moves-of-steve-bannon-milo-yiannopoulos-report/

[Targovia]

Breitbart might be far-right but they aren’t Nazi or Daily Stormer tier far right, at least they aren’t yet

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/10/06/breitbart-emails-trace-neo-nazi-moves-of-steve-bannon-milo-yiannopoulos-report/

>sources Buzzfeed
I immediately give no shits. Trusting Buzzfeed is like trusting an attention whore.

[Liriena]

I was talking about the fascists, not the outlets.

Also... no, they are not as bad as Breitbart. For one, unlike Breitbart, they do not have whole sections dedicated to "Black Crime" and "Fake Hate Crimes".

CNN, MSNBC, Salon... they are crap in their own ways, but at least there are decent people working within those outlets and doing good reporting. Breitbart gave us Hanrahan.

>CNN threatens to release the personal information of a man who made a stupid gif.
>t-there are decent people who do good reporting

CNN has existed for decades now, and has had a large number of people work for them at various levels.

You are pointing at one really, really stupid thing they did once, and acting as if that was indicative of the merits of each and every person who's ever worked at CNN.

That's not even remotely close to fair or reasonable.

But I don't think the present media is gonna be ripped from their pedestal of power anytime soon, unless somebody really ballsy and influential decides to change things in this country.

That mindset is crap. Leaving change in the hands of a hypothetical ubermensch is a surefire way to get yourself conned by some authoritarian leader.

[Targovia]

>CNN threatens to release the personal information of a man who made a stupid gif.
>t-there are decent people who do good reporting

CNN has existed for decades now, and has had a large number of people work for them at various levels.

You are pointing at one really, really stupid thing they did once, and acting as if that was indicative of the merits of each and every person who's ever worked at CNN.

That's not even remotely close to fair or reasonable.

But I don't think the present media is gonna be ripped from their pedestal of power anytime soon, unless somebody really ballsy and influential decides to change things in this country.

That mindset is crap. Leaving change in the hands of a hypothetical ubermensch is a surefire way to get yourself conned by some authoritarian leader.

Wanting somebody to change the media for the better makes me want a Tyrant in the oval office?

I see.

[Oil exporting People]

Do you?

Very, considering I do consider myself a Fascist; you've literally called them Fascist in one breathe and then NatSoc in the other, all the while failing to realize they are not the same, for just the most glaring example. That your link fails to support your assertion further adds to this.

[Cekoviu]

Having to listen to Damore snot off in the unskippable PragerU youtube ads made me hate him out of spite. If he wants to jabber about how great Donald Trump is, that's just fine. Out of curiosity though, if I get hired at Fox, mouth off about how great Che was, and get fired, will you all support my free speech case?

That's a false equivalence, given that Google is a non-political company and Fox is obviously political.

[Montchevre]

Having to listen to Damore snot off in the unskippable PragerU youtube ads made me hate him out of spite. If he wants to jabber about how great Donald Trump is, that's just fine. Out of curiosity though, if I get hired at Fox, mouth off about how great Che was, and get fired, will you all support my free speech case?

That's a false equivalence, given that Google is a non-political company and Fox is obviously political.

Are their charters any different? Does Fox's charter claim to be a political organization? Does Google's claim, to the contrary, to be an apolitical organization? Legally, they are both corporations with no political sway or influence. In any case though, my point remains. Does Hobby Lobby as an example better suit you?

[Liriena]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/10/06/breitbart-emails-trace-neo-nazi-moves-of-steve-bannon-milo-yiannopoulos-report/

>sources Buzzfeed
I immediately give no shits. Trusting Buzzfeed is like trusting an attention whore.

For fuck's sake, the Buzzfeed investigation into this was a legit journalistic investigation with evidence. This is pointless snobbery on your part.

Here's from the original Buzzfeed investigation:

But now Yiannopoulos had a more complicated fight on his hands. The left — and worse, some on the right — had started to condemn the new conservative energy as reactionary and racist. Yiannopoulos had to take back “alt-right,” to redefine for Breitbart’s audience a poorly understood, leaderless movement, parts of which had already started to resist the term itself.

So he reached out to key constituents, who included a neo-Nazi and a white nationalist.

“Finally doing my big feature on the alt right,” Yiannopoulos wrote in a March 9, 2016, email to Andrew “Weev” Auernheimer, a hacker who is the system administrator of the neo-Nazi hub the Daily Stormer, and who would later ask his followers to disrupt the funeral of Charlottesville victim Heather Heyer. “Fancy braindumping some thoughts for me.”

“It’s time for me to do my big definitive guide to the alt right,” Yiannopoulos wrote four hours later to Curtis Yarvin, a software engineer who under the nom de plume Mencius Moldbug helped create the “neoreactionary” movement, which holds that Enlightenment democracy has failed and that a return to feudalism and authoritarian rule is in order. “Which is my whorish way of asking if you have anything you’d like to make sure I include.”

“Alt r feature, figured you’d have some thoughts,” Yiannopoulos wrote the same day to Devin Saucier, who helps edit the online white nationalist magazine American Renaissance under the pseudonym Henry Wolff, and who wrote a story in June 2017 called “Why I Am (Among Other Things) a White Nationalist.”

The three responded at length: Weev about the Daily Stormer and a podcast called The Daily Shoah, Yarvin in characteristically sweeping world-historical assertions (“It’s no secret that North America contains many distinct cultural/ethnic communities. This is not optimal, but with a competent king it’s not a huge problem either”), and Saucier with a list of thinkers, politicians, journalists, films (Dune, Mad Max, The Dark Knight), and musical genres (folk metal, martial industrial, ’80s synthpop) important to the movement. Yiannopoulos forwarded it all, along with the Wikipedia entries for “Alternative Right” and the esoteric far-right Italian philosopher Julius Evola — a major influence on 20th-century Italian fascists and Richard Spencer alike — to Allum Bokhari, his deputy and frequent ghostwriter, whom he had met during GamerGate. “Include a bit of everything,” he instructed Bokhari.

“I think you’ll like what I’m cooking up,” Yiannopoulos wrote to Saucier, the American Renaissance editor.

“I look forward to it,” Saucier replied. “Bannon, as you probably know, is sympathetic to much of it.”

In an April 6 email, Allum Bokhari mentioned having had access to an account of Yiannopoulos’s with “a password that began with the word Kristall.” Kristallnacht, an infamous 1938 riot against German Jews carried out by the SA — the paramilitary organization that helped Hitler rise to power — is sometimes considered the beginning of the Holocaust. In a June 2016 email to an assistant, Yiannopoulos shared the password to his email, which began “LongKnives1290.” The Night of the Long Knives was the Nazi purge of the leadership of the SA. The purge famously included Ernst Röhm, the SA’s gay leader. 1290 is the year King Edward I expelled the Jews from England.

First came Tim Gionet, the former BuzzFeed social media strategist who goes by “Baked Alaska” on Twitter, whom Yiannopoulos pitched to Fleuette as a tour manager in late May. Gionet accompanied Yiannopoulos to Florida after the June 2016 Pulse nightclub killings in Orlando. The two planned a press conference outside a mosque attended by the shooter, Omar Mateen. (“Brilliant,” Bannon emailed. “Btw they are ALL ‘factories of hate.’”) But after some impertinent tweets and back talk from Gionet, Fleuette became Yiannopoulos’s managerial confidante.

“He needs to understand that ‘Baked Alaska’ is over,” Yiannopoulos wrote in one email to Fleuette. “He is not a friend he is an employee. … He is becoming a laughing stock and that reflects badly on me.” In another, “I think we need to replace Tim. … [He] has no news judgment or understanding of what’s dangerous (thinks tweets about Jews are just fine). … He seems more interested in his career as an obscure Twitter personality than my tour manager.”

The newcomers brought in by Gionet weren’t much better behaved. Yiannopoulos had to boot one prospective member of his “tour squad” for posting cocaine use on Snapchat. Mike Mahoney, a then–20-year-old from North Carolina, had to be monitored because of his propensity for racism and anti-Semitism on social media. (Mahoney was later banned from Twitter, but he’s relocated to Gab, a free speech uber alles social network where he is free to post messages such as “reminder: muslims are fags.”)

“Let me know if there’s anything specific that’s really bad eg any Jew stuff,” Yiannopoulos wrote of Mahoney in an email to another member of his staff. “His entire Twitter persona will have to change dramatically once he gets the job.” On September 11, 2016, Mahoney signed a $2,500-a-month contract with Glittering Steel.

For nearly a decade, Devin Saucier has been establishing himself as one of the bright young things in American white nationalism. In 2008, while at Vanderbilt University, Saucier founded a chapter of the defunct white nationalist student group Youth for Western Civilization, which counts among its alumni the white nationalist leader Matthew Heimbach. Richard Spencer called him a friend. He is associated with the Wolves of Vinland, a Virginia neo-pagan group that one reporter described as a “white power wolf cult,” one member of which pleaded guilty to setting fire to a historic black church. For the past several years, according to an observer of far-right movements, Saucier has worked as an assistant to Jared Taylor, possibly the most prominent white nationalist in America. According to emails obtained by BuzzFeed News, he edits and writes for Taylor’s magazine, American Renaissance, under a pseudonym.

In an October 2016 email, Milo Yiannopoulos described the 28-year-old Saucier as “my best friend.”

Yiannopoulos may have been exaggerating: He was asking his acquaintance the novelist Bret Easton Ellis for a signed copy of American Psycho as a gift for Saucier. But there’s no question the men were close. After a March 2016 dinner together in Georgetown, they kept up a steady correspondence, thrilling over Brexit, approvingly sharing headlines about a Finnish far-right group called “Soldiers of Odin,” and making plans to attend Wagner’s Ring Cycle at the Kennedy Center.

Saucier — who did not respond to numerous requests for comment — clearly illustrates the direct connection between open white nationalists and their fellow travelers at Breitbart. By spring 2016, Yiannopoulos had begun to use him as a sounding board, intellectual guide, and editor. On May 1, Yiannopoulos emailed Saucier asking for readings related to class-based affirmative action; Saucier responded with a half dozen links on the subject, which American Renaissance often covers. On May 3, Saucier sent Yiannopoulos an email titled “Article idea”: “How trolls could win the general for Trump.” Yiannopoulos forwarded the email to Bokhari and wrote, “Drop what you’re doing and draft this for me.” An article under Yiannopoulos’s byline appeared the next day. Also in early May, Saucier advised Yiannopoulos and put him in touch with a source for a story about the alt-right’s obsession with Taylor Swift.

Saucier also seems to have had enough clout with Yiannopoulos to get him to kill a story. On May 9, the Breitbart tech editor sent Saucier a full draft of the class-based affirmative action story. “This really isn’t good,” Saucier wrote back, along with a complex explanation of how “true class-based affirmative action” would cause “black enrollment at all decent colleges” to be “decimated.” The next day, Yiannopoulos wrote back, “I feel suitably admonished,” with another draft. In response, after speculating that Yiannopoulos was trying to “soft pedal” racial differences in intelligence, Saucier wrote, “I would honestly spike this piece.” The story never ran.

Editing a September 2016 Yiannopoulos speech, Marlow approved a joke about “shekels” but added that “you can’t even flirt with OKing gas chamber tweets,” asking for such a line to be removed. Marlow held a story about Twitter banning a prominent — frequently anti-Semitic and anti-black — alt-right account, “Ricky Vaughn.” And in August 2016, Bokhari sent Marlow a draft of a story titled “The Alt Right Isn’t White Supremacist, It’s Western Supremacist,” which Marlow held, explaining, “I don’t want to even flirt with okay-ing Nazi memes.”

“We have found his limit,” Yiannopoulos wrote back.

Indeed, a major part of Yiannopoulos’s role within Breitbart was aggressively testing limits around racial and anti-Semitic discourse. As far as this went, his opaque organization-with-an-organization structure and crowdsourced ideation and writing processes served Breitbart’s purposes perfectly: They offered upper management a veil of plausible deniability — as long as no one saw the emails BuzzFeed News obtained. In August 2016, a Yiannopoulos staffer sent a “Milo” story by Bokhari directly to Bannon and Marlow for approval.

“Please don’t forward chains like that showing the sausage being made,” Yiannopoulos wrote back. “Everyone knows; but they don’t have to be reminded every time.”

[Liriena]

Do you?

Very, considering I do consider myself a Fascist; you've literally called them Fascist in one breathe and then NatSoc in the other, all the while failing to realize they are not the same, for just the most glaring example. That your link fails to support your assertion further adds to this.

Leave it to a fascist to be pedantic about whether Nazism is fascist.

[Liriena]

CNN has existed for decades now, and has had a large number of people work for them at various levels.

You are pointing at one really, really stupid thing they did once, and acting as if that was indicative of the merits of each and every person who's ever worked at CNN.

That's not even remotely close to fair or reasonable.


That mindset is crap. Leaving change in the hands of a hypothetical ubermensch is a surefire way to get yourself conned by some authoritarian leader.

Wanting somebody to change the media for the better makes me want a Tyrant in the oval office?

I see.

"somebody really ballsy and influential"

That's just begging for a "strongman" figure.

[Targovia]

>sources Buzzfeed
I immediately give no shits. Trusting Buzzfeed is like trusting an attention whore.

For fuck's sake, the Buzzfeed investigation into this was a legit journalistic investigation with evidence. This is pointless snobbery on your part.

Here's from the original Buzzfeed investigation:

snipped

Buzzfeed has shown time and fucking time again that they are not a trustworthy news organization. Last time I heard they had an investigation like this they claimed that Donald Trump gargles piss from russian prostitutes. So excuse me if I'm a little fucking skeptical of Buzzfeed and their unbelievably shitty journalists.

[Targovia]

Very, considering I do consider myself a Fascist; you've literally called them Fascist in one breathe and then NatSoc in the other, all the while failing to realize they are not the same, for just the most glaring example. That your link fails to support your assertion further adds to this.

Leave it to a fascist to be pedantic about whether Nazism is fascist.

Yeah how dare he claim that National Socialism isn't real fascism. It's not like Stalinists and Marxists and other commies do the exact same thing with their failed states.

[Cekoviu]

That's a false equivalence, given that Google is a non-political company and Fox is obviously political.

Are their charters any different? Does Fox's charter claim to be a political organization? Does Google's claim, to the contrary, to be an apolitical organization? Legally, they are both corporations with no political sway or influence. In any case though, my point remains. Does Hobby Lobby as an example better suit you?

Both Google and Fox absolutely do have political influence (potential for the former), and businesses are not supposed to fire their employees for their political views anyway. Fox wouldn't hire somebody who wore Che Guevara T-shirts in the first place.

[Liriena]

For fuck's sake, the Buzzfeed investigation into this was a legit journalistic investigation with evidence. This is pointless snobbery on your part.

Here's from the original Buzzfeed investigation:

snipped

Buzzfeed has shown time and fucking time again that they are not a trustworthy news organization. Last time I heard they had an investigation like this they claimed that Donald Trump gargles piss from russian prostitutes. So excuse me if I'm a little fucking skeptical of Buzzfeed and their unbelievably shitty journalists.

Not to be mean or anything, but your wording makes me think you are just parroting without having any first-hand experience.

Whatever you "heard" about the Trump thing, it was not what Buzzfeed actually did. What they did was fully publish a since largely corroborated dossier made by a former MI6 agent who had been asked to investigate Trump during the primaries by members of the GOP. And the claim made in that dossier that Buzzfeed didn't make up was that Trump had made Russian sex workers urinate on a hotel bed previously used by Obama. Incidentally, that part of the dossier, while eye-catching, wasn't the most important part of it. It's just what people latched onto out of morbid fascination. The dossier as a whole focused on suspected links between Trump and the Russian government.

So... yeah... if such ignorance of what Buzzfeed actually reported is what you base your blind hatred on it on, you're making yourself look ridiculous.

I can't force you to rethink your perspective, but maybe next time actually check the sources and what they have to say before going "the source sucks". You can always fact-check the reporting after reading it... like rational people do.

At least skim through the excerpts I posted?