Google Manifesto Lawsuit Published

[Proctopeo]

So, yesterday the full court document of the Damore vs Google case was uploaded to Scribd.

Within, various strange, and some suspect, things lie. Highlights include Google failing to protect employees from harassment because they supported Donald Trump (begins at page 25), special mailing lists for every lifestyle under the sun except for traditional heterosexual monogamy (begins at the very end of page 25), Google's HR taking offense to "alt-right" views but apparently not views aligning with Antifa (begins at page 27 line 20), and much more.

So, NSG, what's your thoughts on this? I don't really have any other opening question.

My personal thoughts are that, for a company whose semi-official motto is "Don't be evil", they're doing a lot of stuff that's at least morally questionable towards their own employees based on political views, race, gender, and sexuality, and that this definitely should change.

[Dooom35796821595]

Their motto is "don't be evil" because they are, it's instructions for everyone else.

[Petrasylvania]

Time to break up Google and sell the assets to Rupert Murdoch.

[Khornatenreich]

Google says "Do as I say, not as I do"; and in response to this, I genuinely hope google takes off the Orwell goggles somewhere down the road, hopefully after a few colossal lawsuits cripple them.

[Vassenor]

Google says "Do as I say, not as I do", and in response, I hope google takes off the Orwell goggles somewhere down the road.

So in what way is Google actually emulating the world of 1984?

I'm not seeing anyone being maliciously unpersoned, nor am I seeing language being rewritten to expunge concepts like freedom or rebellion.

[Tysoania]

I genuinely hope google takes off the Orwell goggles somewhere down the road

What does this mean?

[Proctopeo]

Their motto is "don't be evil" because they are, it's instructions for everyone else.

Maybe they should lead by example

Time to break up Google and sell the assets to Rupert Murdoch.

Not the worst idea.

[Katganistan]

Has it been tried yet, or is this just the filing?

If it's not been tried yet, then we don't know the outcome of the case -- whether or not Google has been found to have acted improperly.

[Aillyria]

Google says "Do as I say, not as I do", and in response, I hope google takes off the Orwell goggles somewhere down the road.

So in what way is Google actually emulating the world of 1984?

I'm not seeing anyone being maliciously unpersoned, nor am I seeing language being rewritten to expunge concepts like freedom or rebellion.

Everything comes in time. Though, I think Brave New World is more where humanity is headed, not 1984.

[Vassenor]

So in what way is Google actually emulating the world of 1984?

I'm not seeing anyone being maliciously unpersoned, nor am I seeing language being rewritten to expunge concepts like freedom or rebellion.

Everything comes in time. Though, I think Brave New World is more where humanity is headed, not 1984.

But when something is described as Orwellian that's the implication. So I'm wondering how the term actually applies in this case.

[Ors Might]

Everything comes in time. Though, I think Brave New World is more where humanity is headed, not 1984.

But when something is described as Orwellian that's the implication. So I'm wondering how the term actually applies in this case.

I think that when most people use the term Orwellian, they mean something along the lines of being subversive to diversity of thought. Or in my personal experience at least. It’s a very overused reference, to the point of being terribly cliche.

[MERIZoC]

lol this nerd just won't shut up. Someone please shove him in a locker or something.

[Purpelia]

I genuinely hope google takes off the Orwell goggles somewhere down the road

What does this mean?

It's a reference to 1984, a dark dystopian book by George Orwell that describes a world where the state is this omnipresent evil entity controlling everyone through surveillance and information control. It's the origin of the term "Big Brother is watching".

Essentially the government watches you all the time AND the government controls what information you get. To paraphrase the book: "If the government decides 2+2 = 5 than 2+2 will equal 5."

And google, with its data collection and frankly monopolistic practices is approaching that. Not only do they know everything you do using their services but they doctor your search results. In fact, the whole squabble they had with China was because they were competing to do the same thing. And that should tell you something.

[Community Values]

I just heard Tucker Carlson the Republican being anti-business because of this.
Obviously google should be regulated to make sure that these biases don't filter into their search engine, and that if these allegations are true, that they be sued.

[San Marlindo]

Google is a private company that is therefore entitled to espouse whatever views and pursue whatever policies they please with regards to their clientele.

[Kyrusia]

lol this nerd just won't shut up. Someone please shove him in a locker or something.

James Damore or the OP?

Phrasing, it matters, and when the commentary is as dismissive as this - to the point it can readily be read as an off-the-cuff flame of the thread starter - it's really quite easy to get yourself into trouble.

This isn't anything official, not even an unofficial warning; this is a reminder that it behooves you to be clear in your references, and that it is probably best to avoid dismissive, drive-by posting entirely.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So now it's not ok for a private company to enforce it's views on people?

[Proctopeo]

So now it's not ok for a private company to enforce it's views on people?

That's not exactly what's going on.
They're acting discriminatory against their employees based on the views of said employees. And potentially some racial and sexual discrimination, too...

[Costa Fierro]

I hope he succeeds.

[MERIZoC]

lol this nerd just won't shut up. Someone please shove him in a locker or something.

James Damore or the OP?

Phrasing, it matters, and when the commentary is as dismissive as this - to the point it can readily be read as an off-the-cuff flame of the thread starter - it's really quite easy to get yourself into trouble.

This isn't anything official, not even an unofficial warning; this is a reminder that it behooves you to be clear in your references, and that it is probably best to avoid dismissive, drive-by posting entirely.

Damore obviously. Did anyone think I meant otherwise?

[Seangoli]

Google says "Do as I say, not as I do", and in response, I hope google takes off the Orwell goggles somewhere down the road.

So in what way is Google actually emulating the world of 1984?

I'm not seeing anyone being maliciously unpersoned, nor am I seeing language being rewritten to expunge concepts like freedom or rebellion.

Modern young conservatives believe that if a private organization has a policy of not want anything to do with them, then they are suddenly jackbooted Government agents coming to silence them and infringing on their freedom.

In other words, literally the opposite of Orwellian as it is private entities exercising freedom of association and speech by deciding they do not want to give a platform to ideologies they disagree with. And young people whom ascribe to said ideology demand that said private entities be forced to provide a platform to them, in a hilariously ironic turn.

In other words, people who have no damn clue what Orwellian means are referring to things that have nothing to do with Orwellian as being Orwellian.

[Seangoli]

What does this mean?

It's a reference to 1984, a dark dystopian book by George Orwell that describes a world where the state is this omnipresent evil entity controlling everyone through surveillance and information control. It's the origin of the term "Big Brother is watching".

Essentially the government watches you all the time AND the government controls what information you get. To paraphrase the book: "If the government decides 2+2 = 5 than 2+2 will equal 5."

And google, with its data collection and frankly monopolistic practices is approaching that. Not only do they know everything you do using their services but they doctor your search results. In fact, the whole squabble they had with China was because they were competing to do the same thing. And that should tell you something.

I did not realize that Google was the Government. Damn it, why didn't anyone tell me?!

[Infected Mushroom]

My brother works for Google.

Therefore, I refuse to believe that Google could do any wrong.

Besides, a company should be allowed to enforce a pro liberal political culture. There's nothing wrong about that.

[Infected Mushroom]

So in what way is Google actually emulating the world of 1984?

I'm not seeing anyone being maliciously unpersoned, nor am I seeing language being rewritten to expunge concepts like freedom or rebellion.

Modern young conservatives believe that if a private organization has a policy of not want anything to do with them, then they are suddenly jackbooted Government agents coming to silence them and infringing on their freedom.

In other words, literally the opposite of Orwellian as it is private entities exercising freedom of association and speech by deciding they do not want to give a platform to ideologies they disagree with. And young people whom ascribe to said ideology demand that said private entities be forced to provide a platform to them, in a hilariously ironic turn.

In other words, people who have no damn clue what Orwellian means are referring to things that have nothing to do with Orwellian as being Orwellian.

the novel in general should be thrown out and completely forgotten; its complete garbage

makes these kinds of discussions really tiresome...

"It's Orwellian..."

"No it's not..."

"It is because X, Y, Z..."

"No because you mischaracterise X, Y, Z, what really should matter is S"

...

Its a poorly written novel and its basically never useful as an analogy, always leads to tons of off topic banter about how to compare a real life scenario to a poorly written satirist novel

[The Lone Alliance]

So in what way is Google actually emulating the world of 1984?

I'm not seeing anyone being maliciously unpersoned, nor am I seeing language being rewritten to expunge concepts like freedom or rebellion.

Modern young conservatives believe that if a private organization has a policy of not want anything to do with them, then they are suddenly jackbooted Government agents coming to silence them and infringing on their freedom.

In other words, literally the opposite of Orwellian as it is private entities exercising freedom of association and speech by deciding they do not want to give a platform to ideologies they disagree with. And young people whom ascribe to said ideology demand that said private entities be forced to provide a platform to them, in a hilariously ironic turn.

In other words, people who have no damn clue what Orwellian means are referring to things that have nothing to do with Orwellian as being Orwellian.

Oh how the roles have reversed, we have Liberals defending super corporations and conservatives claiming big corporations are evil.

I guess it all depends on what ideology the corporation follows. Then again that's becoming pretty common.