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Meaning of Existence

PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:57 pm
by Etrusci Imperium
Hello nations of Nation States, I hope this finds you healthy and happy.

I am here to ask a question that will likely incite several debates of science, faith, and or pragmatism.

If everything is destined to die, from the star in our solar system, to the degredation of the human body, then what is the purpose of existing, of having self awareness and the ability to contemplate on things beyond the scope of lower tiers of complex thought and action?

I feel as though our struggles are pointless if it all ends the same.

The (lack luster, much to my disappointment) race to colonize other planets, the ability to stop aging in it's tracks, transferring consciousness to Android or robotic bodies. All of it for naught when the eventual death of our star destroys our planet, and us as a species.

So I ask you, what is the point when it is for nothing in the end?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:01 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
Just make yourself and others as happy as possible. Here's a more in-depth explanation of this philosophy (optimistic nihilism).

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:05 am
by Montchevre
Oh what an ecstasy of nihilism! How wonderful. Well, clearly the purpose of existence is to live a meaningful life. That of course is exceptionally vague, as it should be. Each individual should define his own meaning. But here is mine.

Life is finite. Its pleasures and triumphs are thus also finite. We should do that which causes us pleasure up until the point that our pleasure causes displeasure to others. More importantly when it comes to starting debates, I feel we should live our lives for as long as possible, without any restrictions but the confines of our ever more incredible technology. The Universe is too beautiful to simply abandon after such a paltry bundle of decades! I have so many lives to live! I wish to see the world in its entirety, read far too many great works of literature for an average lifespan, try all that is new, and when I run out of things to try make new things myself. Most of all though, I want the time to make a difference. Whether through politics, art, or philanthropy, it takes a great deal of time to improve the lives of others. That time I need. And so I shall try to live on until my last replacement organ wears out, my eyes finally dim, and I sink into the abyss.

Death cannot ever be overcome, but it should be spurned as long as possible.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:08 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
Montchevre wrote:Oh what an ecstasy of nihilism! How wonderful. Well, clearly the purpose of existence is to live a meaningful life. That of course is exceptionally vague, as it should be. Each individual should define his own meaning. But here is mine.

Life is finite. Its pleasures and triumphs are thus also finite. We should do that which causes us pleasure up until the point that our pleasure causes displeasure to others. More importantly when it comes to starting debates, I feel we should live our lives for as long as possible, without any restrictions but the confines of our ever more incredible technology. The Universe is too beautiful to simply abandon after such a paltry bundle of decades! I have so many lives to live! I wish to see the world in its entirety, read far too many great works of literature for an average lifespan, try all that is new, and when I run out of things to try make new things myself. Most of all though, I want the time to make a difference. Whether through politics, art, or philanthropy, it takes a great deal of time to improve the lives of others. That time I need. And so I shall try to live on until my last replacement organ wears out, my eyes finally dim, and I sink into the abyss.

Death cannot ever be overcome, but it should be spurned as long as possible.

Well, living as long a life as possible gives you a hell of a lot of extra time to make yourself and others happier. Which is one reason I support human life extension technologies.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:12 am
by Montchevre
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Montchevre wrote:Oh what an ecstasy of nihilism! How wonderful. Well, clearly the purpose of existence is to live a meaningful life. That of course is exceptionally vague, as it should be. Each individual should define his own meaning. But here is mine.

Life is finite. Its pleasures and triumphs are thus also finite. We should do that which causes us pleasure up until the point that our pleasure causes displeasure to others. More importantly when it comes to starting debates, I feel we should live our lives for as long as possible, without any restrictions but the confines of our ever more incredible technology. The Universe is too beautiful to simply abandon after such a paltry bundle of decades! I have so many lives to live! I wish to see the world in its entirety, read far too many great works of literature for an average lifespan, try all that is new, and when I run out of things to try make new things myself. Most of all though, I want the time to make a difference. Whether through politics, art, or philanthropy, it takes a great deal of time to improve the lives of others. That time I need. And so I shall try to live on until my last replacement organ wears out, my eyes finally dim, and I sink into the abyss.

Death cannot ever be overcome, but it should be spurned as long as possible.

Well, living as long a life as possible gives you a hell of a lot of extra time to make yourself and others happier. Which is one reason I support human life extension technologies.

Finally I've found someone! Almost every flesh-and-blood human I know sounds like the Patriarch of the Cult of Backwards whenever life-extension comes up.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:13 am
by Neanderthaland
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Just make yourself and others as happy as possible. Here's a more in-depth explanation of this philosophy (optimistic nihilism).

I prefer this one.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:14 am
by Bombadil
Neanderthaland wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Just make yourself and others as happy as possible. Here's a more in-depth explanation of this philosophy (optimistic nihilism).

I prefer this one.


I prefer this one

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:15 am
by South Bagus Nakalca
Etrusci Imperium wrote:So I ask you, what is the point when it is for nothing in the end?

The point is that you get to decide what the point is. Like, whatever you want, really, anything! Have a great day! :bow:

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:16 am
by Caligolus
"Life has no meaning. It is up to us to give it meaning." - Me

Basically, I go more the existentialist route.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:16 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft

Well, you can also watch this one. Who doesn't like MLG videos anyway.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:18 am
by Shikihara
Etrusci Imperium wrote:So I ask you, what is the point when it is for nothing in the end?


The experience.

The great meaninglessness of the whole cosmic game is something we have to confront, and it gives us the ability to grow and develop our short yet unique existence in the universe.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:38 am
by Aillyria
The single meaning of life is to serve God (swt), that's it. It's the only reason we even exist here.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:41 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
Aillyria wrote:The single meaning of life is to serve God (swt), that's it. It's the only reason we even exist here.

very long sigh, given that I'm an atheist

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:44 am
by Neanderthaland
Aillyria wrote:The single meaning of life is to serve God (swt), that's it. It's the only reason we even exist here.

What an egomaniac.

Not sure about the meaning of life, but if there is such a thing as this God of yours, I think a pretty good use of our time would be to destroy it.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:44 am
by Caligolus
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The single meaning of life is to serve God (swt), that's it. It's the only reason we even exist here.

very long sigh, given that I'm an atheist


very long sigh from me as well, given that I'm pagan

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:45 am
by Delberz
The answer is: 42

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:46 am
by Caligolus
Delberz wrote:The answer is: 42


Yes. Yes it is.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:47 am
by Major-Tom
A disclaimer, philosophy is not my strong suit. However, I believe there is no objective meaning to life. I mean, for me, there just isn't. But to me, the silver lining is, we can all find meaning to our existences and use that to become successful, to help others, to help ourselves understand who we are, and that's good.

I guess that would make me a sort of existential nihilist, but frankly, I could be wrong, I'm not sure.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:48 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
Delberz wrote:The answer is: 42

SHIT, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT!!!

Jk, I'm discussing serious philosophy here.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:48 am
by Aillyria
Neanderthaland wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The single meaning of life is to serve God (swt), that's it. It's the only reason we even exist here.

What an egomaniac.

Not sure about the meaning of life, but if there is such a thing as this God of yours, I think a pretty good use of our time would be to destroy it.

I think the greatest use of humanity's time would be to destroy this world, tbh.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:49 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
To me, the meaning of life is that which we can choose for ourselves. Ultimately, you can give your life whatever meaning you desire as it is your life. You don't really have anything else of note, because once you lose your life, you lose all your other stuff too. However, I think if you base your life around destroying the meaning of life for other by violating their rights, you are incorrect and should be stopped.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:49 am
by Imperium Romani
Aillyria wrote:The single meaning of life is to serve God (swt), that's it. It's the only reason we even exist here.

The problem with the religious explanations of life, or at least for me, is that a God wouldn't need little things to do stupid shit while they watch. And "serving God" is subjective each religion and person. Islamist extremists believe they're serving their God, so is their purpose in life to kill themselves for their God?

Personally, I think that life may have no meaning and just is. Optimistic nihilism, good shit.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:51 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Aillyria wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:What an egomaniac.

Not sure about the meaning of life, but if there is such a thing as this God of yours, I think a pretty good use of our time would be to destroy it.

I think the greatest use of humanity's time would be to destroy this world, tbh.


That's just about one of the few things that you can't make the meaning of your life. You're the exact opposite of correct.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:51 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
Imperium Romani wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The single meaning of life is to serve God (swt), that's it. It's the only reason we even exist here.

The problem with the religious explanations of life, or at least for me, is that a God wouldn't need little things to do stupid shit while they watch. And "serving God" is subjective each religion and person. Islamist extremists believe they're serving their God, so is their purpose in life to kill themselves for their God?

Personally, I think that life may have no meaning and just is. Optimistic nihilism, good shit.

You should go watch my link on it. 2nd post.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:51 am
by Neanderthaland
Aillyria wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:What an egomaniac.

Not sure about the meaning of life, but if there is such a thing as this God of yours, I think a pretty good use of our time would be to destroy it.

I think the greatest use of humanity's time would be to destroy this world, tbh.

But there are so many others.