Please point me to socialism that works.

[Ethel mermania]

Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia, it wasn't socialism's fault that it happened to be inhabited by some of the most aggresively sectarian groups there are.
Rojava, off to a pretty good start.
Burkina Faso, it was quite an oppressive regime, but the French and Ivorians were actively trying to overthrow him.....so...its sort of justified

Yugoslavia I am somewhat familiar with Faso not so much. Why would you say yugoslavia?

[The New Sea Territory]

Socialists of NationStates, I have one question: What form of socialism works,

European social democracy tends to produce very favorable results.

Like letting refugees wash up on their shores...

[Pope Joan]

So has anyone in this thread actually pointed to a socialist society that worked?

Denmark is doing well. Its leaders say it is not a true planned economy and not socialist in the usual sense of the word. However, it is a congeries of cooperatives that mostly do well at what they do. These were formed in reaction against the failed authoritarian rule of the nobility, years ago.

[MERIZoC]

preagricultural tribal societies

[Ethel mermania]

So has anyone in this thread actually pointed to a socialist society that worked?

Denmark is doing well. Its leaders say it is not a true planned economy and not socialist in the usual sense of the word. However, it is a congeries of cooperatives that mostly do well at what they do. These were formed in reaction against the failed authoritarian rule of the nobility, years ago.

It's still not socialism. My simple understanding is that socialism is the workers owning the means of production. Even in nordic model countries the capitalists still own and cotrol the company's. If demark is different, I wouldn't know.

Tbh to start with, I would argue against the idea that a socialist collective has to be part of a national system,

[Liriena]

So has anyone in this thread actually pointed to a socialist society that worked?

Zapatista Chiapas seems to be doing alright. Thomas Sankara's Burkina Faso was pretty good (despite the obvious flaws). Rojava might turn out to be a good example.

[Pope Joan]

Denmark is doing well. Its leaders say it is not a true planned economy and not socialist in the usual sense of the word. However, it is a congeries of cooperatives that mostly do well at what they do. These were formed in reaction against the failed authoritarian rule of the nobility, years ago.

It's still not socialism. My simple understanding is that socialism is the workers owning the means of production. Even in nordic model countries the capitalists till own and cotrol the company's. If demark is different, I wouldn't know.

Tbh to start with, I would argue against the idea that a socialist collective has to be part of a national system,

Here is a short article on the history and extent of the cooperatives movement in Denmark. The heart of the movement is agriculture but it extends to housing, finance, insurance, and retail. Unions are strong, even in the public sector.

http://we-economy.net/case-stories/the- ... ement.html

[The Liberated Territories]

Spoilers below!

It doesn't

[Janszoonia]

Spoilers below!

It doesn't

[Pope Joan]

On a smaller scale, you can have agricultural communes with shared values that do rather well. Some example are the kibbutz, and (a personal favorite) the Bruderhof.

https://books.google.com/books?id=yvRwG ... cs&f=false

The Bruderhof in Saskatchewan and Manitoba does well enough that it arouses the ire of traditional local agriculture.

[New haven america]

Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc... There are a few others, but those are debatable.

Social Democracy is considered a form of Socialism (More like Socialism-lite, but still, it's under the Socialism banner). OP, do you know that the above mentioned countries consistently rank in the top 25 in the HDI? (With Norway currently leading at #1)

[Liriena]

Spoilers below!

It doesn't

[Liriena]

Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc... There are a few others, but those are debatable.

Social Democracy is considered a form of Socialism (More like Socialism-lite, but still, it's under the Socialism banner). OP, do you know that the above mentioned countries consistently rank in the top 25 in the HDI? (With Norway currently leading at #1)

Also, Bolivia. Under Evo Morales, they've been doing awfully well.

[Stormwrath]

Europe.

You're welcome.

[New haven america]

Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc... There are a few others, but those are debatable.

Social Democracy is considered a form of Socialism (More like Socialism-lite, but still, it's under the Socialism banner). OP, do you know that the above mentioned countries consistently rank in the top 25 in the HDI? (With Norway currently leading at #1)

Also, Bolivia. Under Evo Morales, they've been doing awfully well.

And Chile and Uruguay's current leaders are both part of left/socialist parties and aren't afraid to experiment with socialist policies. Both of those countries are doing pretty well too.

[Liriena]

Also, Bolivia. Under Evo Morales, they've been doing awfully well.

And Chile and Uruguay's current leaders are both part of left/socialist parties and aren't afraid to experiment with socialist policies. Both of those countries are doing pretty well too.

Ecuador too.

Also, again, the fábricas recuperadas of Argentina.

[Aillyria]

I can't, because Socialism can never work and never will.

I hate when people ask if or asserts that something "works" or "doesn't work". What do you mean by "work"?

[Liriena]

I can't, because Socialism can never work and never will.

I hate ehen people ask if or asserts that something "works" or "doesn't work". What do you mean by "work"?

Sometimes bad stuff happens in countries with socialist or vaguely left-wing governments and that's somehow always 100% socialism's fault. Checkmate, antifa liberal globalist SJWs!

*insert doughy-faced Charlie Kirk looking smugly at the camera*

[Aillyria]

I hate ehen people ask if or asserts that something "works" or "doesn't work". What do you mean by "work"?

Sometimes bad stuff happens in countries with socialist or vaguely left-wing governments and that's somehow always 100% socialism's fault. Checkmate, antifa liberal globalist SJWs!

*insert doughy-faced Charlie Kirk looking smugly at the camera*

Pretty much.

I wonder why they aren't so critical of the countless killed by virtueous capitalism......*Scramble for Africa*

[Liriena]

Sometimes bad stuff happens in countries with socialist or vaguely left-wing governments and that's somehow always 100% socialism's fault. Checkmate, antifa liberal globalist SJWs!

*insert doughy-faced Charlie Kirk looking smugly at the camera*

Pretty much.

I wonder why they aren't so critical of the countless killed by virtueous capitalism......*Scramble for Africa*

That doesn't count. Capitalism is only responsible for the good stuff. Everything else is imperialism or corporatism, which are totally different things that have absolutely nothing to do with capitalism whatsoever.

[New haven america]

Sometimes bad stuff happens in countries with socialist or vaguely left-wing governments and that's somehow always 100% socialism's fault. Checkmate, antifa liberal globalist SJWs!

*insert doughy-faced Charlie Kirk looking smugly at the camera*

Pretty much.

I wonder why they aren't so critical of the countless killed by virtueous capitalism......*Scramble for Africa*

That's not capitalism. Capitalism and socialism are just economic practices (You can have isolationist capitalist countries and imperialistic socialist countries), what you're thinking of is Imperialism, Corporatism, etc...

[UniversalCommons]

Mixed government all the way. The highest standards of living come from constitutional monarchies, commonwealths, and mixed governments. Almost every single country calls itself a republic. So a republic with a constitution and some kind of mixed economic system ( socialism and capitalism in varying amounts) tends to generate the best results. If there is some standin which has no power like an ex-royal family or some symbol to keep things more real it helps economically as well. They key is that the stand in have no power except for moral persuasiveness so the government can focus on legislation instead of morality.

[The Widening Gyre]

So has anyone in this thread actually pointed to a socialist society that worked?

Director-General of Finances Jacques Necker, 1781: So has anyone in this salon actually pointed to a capitalist society that worked?

[MERIZoC]

Spoilers below!

It doesn't

This is a fake meme and you will be hearing from Toilet Paper USA's diaped-up lawyers

[MERIZoC]

Also, Bolivia. Under Evo Morales, they've been doing awfully well.

And Chile and Uruguay's current leaders are both part of left/socialist parties and aren't afraid to experiment with socialist policies. Both of those countries are doing pretty well too.

lol rip