Rosengarten wrote:So many posts in here with absolute no knowledge of socialism or communism and it's attempts/successes/failures beyond being told "China. Russia. Scary. Bad."
No mention or consideration of what went wrong during the attempts like the USSR reigniting nationalism and imperialism and the revisionists. No mention of how China was known to have periodic famines. No understanding that socialism is primarily considered a transitional state to communism and is a long procedure. No mention of how the U.S has violently suppressed domestic and foreign communists as individuals and as a state.
Also every time they point to an issue in attempt socialist states, there is a direct instance of that in capitalist states as well.
Starvation ; World hunger and fabricated scarcity.
Bread lines ; Soup kitchens.
Gulags ; Prison labour.
It's not America's fault that the impenetrable shield of the revolution can't even beat the manufacturing output or military actions of one measly nation.
Liriena wrote:Community Values wrote:I don't personally find corporatism and high economic inequality to be socialist, but whatever floats your boat.
It kind of makes sense from an orthodox Marxist perspective: Marx's theory was made for industrialized capitalist nations like Great Britain. In 1949, China was nowhere near reflecting the same material conditions of Great Britain in Marx's time. Corporatism and high economic equality are not socialist. They are most definitely capitalist... but in that regard, they could be argued to be a necessary prelude to socialism.
Just because they're acting like Bernstein doesn't make them socialist.