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Postby Liriena » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:19 am

Kramania wrote:So Trump allows the media in for an entire meeting when normally they'd be kicked out, but he's an authoritarian who wants to shut down free press.

Hmm.

That might have something to do with all those threats he's thrown around since the campaign. You know, like when he was pondering whether to allow critical media outlets to retain their licenses, or when he wanted stricter defamation laws to sue the newspapers he hates, or when he "sarcastically" wondered aloud whether he would kill journalists...
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:20 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kramania wrote:So Trump allows the media in for an entire meeting when normally they'd be kicked out, but he's an authoritarian who wants to shut down free press.

Hmm.


So how many times has he screamed for CNN to be shuttered since the election?

Or when he whined that SNL should be retired because of how mean and unfunny they were.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:20 am

Kramania wrote:So Trump allows the media in for an entire meeting when normally they'd be kicked out, but he's an authoritarian who wants to shut down free press.

Hmm.

What do you find so confusing about this? Trump wants to shut down and sue into oblivion news outlets that publish things he doesn't like. Trump also wants to bask in the praise of media outlets that are friendly to him.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:22 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kramania wrote:So Trump allows the media in for an entire meeting when normally they'd be kicked out, but he's an authoritarian who wants to shut down free press.

Hmm.


So how many times has he screamed for CNN to be shuttered since the election?

Attacking CNN =/= attacking freedom of the press

Try again.
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Postby Steffan » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:22 am

Kramania wrote:So Trump allows the media in for an entire meeting when normally they'd be kicked out, but he's an authoritarian who wants to shut down free press.

Hmm.

Lemme see him turn it into the rule rather than the exception and I'll change my tune.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:23 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kramania wrote:So Trump allows the media in for an entire meeting when normally they'd be kicked out, but he's an authoritarian who wants to shut down free press.

Hmm.

What do you find so confusing about this? Trump wants to shut down and sue into oblivion news outlets that publish things he doesn't like. Trump also wants to bask in the praise of media outlets that are friendly to him.

I see. So he only allowed media outlets in that were friendly to him and he sued the others to keep them out.

Any other fiction you wanna keep writing?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:25 am

Someone who has no fear of the press addressing a White House briefing on twin television screens despite being in an office 50 feet away.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:28 am

Kramania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What do you find so confusing about this? Trump wants to shut down and sue into oblivion news outlets that publish things he doesn't like. Trump also wants to bask in the praise of media outlets that are friendly to him.

I see. So he only allowed media outlets in that were friendly to him and he sued the others to keep them out.

Any other fiction you wanna keep writing?

If you'd like I could explain to you the difference between "wants to" and "did", but maybe you'd find it more rewarding to crack open a dictionary and figure it out yourself.

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Postby Steffan » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:28 am

Petrasylvania wrote:Someone who has no fear of the press addressing a White House briefing on twin television screens despite being in an office 50 feet away.

(Image)

Bigly Trump on his telescreens :lol2:
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kramania wrote:I see. So he only allowed media outlets in that were friendly to him and he sued the others to keep them out.

Any other fiction you wanna keep writing?

If you'd like I could explain to you the difference between "wants to" and "did", but maybe you'd find it more rewarding to crack open a dictionary and figure it out yourself.

If you want I could explain to you how being open to the press is kind of antithetical to wanting to shut them down.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:33 am

Kramania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If you'd like I could explain to you the difference between "wants to" and "did", but maybe you'd find it more rewarding to crack open a dictionary and figure it out yourself.

If you want I could explain to you how being open to the press is kind of antithetical to wanting to shut them down.

Trump wanting to present himself as a stable genius in a staged appearance means his history of denouncing the press is retroactivelt fake news.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:35 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kramania wrote:If you want I could explain to you how being open to the press is kind of antithetical to wanting to shut them down.

Trump wanting to present himself as a stable genius in a staged appearance means his history of denouncing the press is retroactivelt fake news.

Gauth: "TRUMP WANTS TO SHUT DOWN THE PRESS HE'S LITERALLT HITLER LITERALLY AND ALSO ORANGE"
Also Gauth: "HIM LETTING THE PRESS IN ON A MEETING DOESN'T COUNT"

Ah, the doublethink.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:38 am

Kramania wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Trump wanting to present himself as a stable genius in a staged appearance means his history of denouncing the press is retroactivelt fake news.

Gauth: "TRUMP WANTS TO SHUT DOWN THE PRESS HE'S LITERALLT HITLER LITERALLY AND ALSO ORANGE"
Also Gauth: "HIM LETTING THE PRESS IN ON A MEETING DOESN'T COUNT"

Ah, the doublethink.

So he never said he'd like to pass laws making it easier to sue newspapers for libel?
Never excluded outfits like CNN from certain press briefings?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:43 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kramania wrote:Gauth: "TRUMP WANTS TO SHUT DOWN THE PRESS HE'S LITERALLT HITLER LITERALLY AND ALSO ORANGE"
Also Gauth: "HIM LETTING THE PRESS IN ON A MEETING DOESN'T COUNT"

Ah, the doublethink.

So he never said he'd like to pass laws making it easier to sue newspapers for libel?

I fail to see why that's bad.

Never excluded outfits like CNN from certain press briefings?

And CNN was excluded from this meeting?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:53 am

Kramania wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So he never said he'd like to pass laws making it easier to sue newspapers for libel?

I fail to see why that's bad.

Mostly because you assume those same laws will never be turned on your favorite right-wing media.
Never excluded outfits like CNN from certain press briefings?

And CNN was excluded from this meeting?

I did not talk about this briefing when I brought up Trump banning certain news outfits from some.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:54 am

Kramania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If you'd like I could explain to you the difference between "wants to" and "did", but maybe you'd find it more rewarding to crack open a dictionary and figure it out yourself.

If you want I could explain to you how being open to the press is kind of antithetical to wanting to shut them down.

By all means. I'm sure your explanation will be fascinating.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kramania wrote:If you want I could explain to you how being open to the press is kind of antithetical to wanting to shut them down.

By all means. I'm sure your explanation will be fascinating.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kramania wrote:If you want I could explain to you how being open to the press is kind of antithetical to wanting to shut them down.

By all means. I'm sure your explanation will be fascinating.


Indeed. Please explain.
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Postby Painisia » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:41 pm

How do you all think the 2020 election is going to be? Will Trump be reelected or Oprah Winfrey?
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:44 pm

Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election is going to be? Will Trump be reelected or Oprah Winfrey?

No.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:44 pm

Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election is going to be? Will Trump be reelected or Oprah Winfrey?

Oprah isn't running.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:45 pm

Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election is going to be? Will Trump be reelected or Oprah Winfrey?


Even though the right dropped the bar on the ground and we have Trump; oh hell no!
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Postby Concordana » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:45 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election is going to be? Will Trump be reelected or Oprah Winfrey?

Oprah isn't running.


Isn't running yet.

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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:51 pm

Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election is going to be? Will Trump be reelected or Oprah Winfrey?

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:58 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election is going to be? Will Trump be reelected or Oprah Winfrey?

Oprah isn't running.

yet

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