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Postby Liriena » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Liriena wrote:Polling has shown that Republicans will often "follow the leader" and collectively change their minds on an issue at a neckbreaking pace.

You don't have to be ideologically consistent when your one guiding principle is authoritarianism.

Barely related, those most read stories down the side.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:41 am

Liriena wrote:
Corrian wrote:Oh, I think some states are ready to sue on that too actually.

This is something that should piss off both sides, since even if it was just medically, even heavily Republican states supported legalization.

Polling has shown that Republicans will often "follow the leader" and collectively change their minds on an issue at a neckbreaking pace.

You don't have to be ideologically consistent when your one guiding principle is authoritarianism.

I think like Alabama legalized medical marijuana, though.

But yeah, people are pathetic. I change my opinions based off of new information, not solely because dear politicians say so.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
Liriena wrote:Polling has shown that Republicans will often "follow the leader" and collectively change their minds on an issue at a neckbreaking pace.

You don't have to be ideologically consistent when your one guiding principle is authoritarianism.

Barely related, those most read stories down the side.
"10. Alex Jones Says Trump Doesn't Have a Small Penis, Okay?"
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It's obviously a sales pitch for one of AJ's "natural" supplements.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:48 am

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I think you completely missed the point there.

No. I do. Just because I think we should Rebel against pot bans doesn't mean others can rebel against equal rights.

Do you think that saying that makes any difference?

If, somehow, magically, you managed to actually foment rebellion, and it worked, do you really think that anyone anywhere would care that you said that it's bad to rebel to ban gay marriage? Of fucking course they wouldn't.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:No. I do. Just because I think we should Rebel against pot bans doesn't mean others can rebel against equal rights.

Do you think that saying that makes any difference?

If, somehow, magically, you managed to actually foment rebellion, and it worked, do you really think that anyone anywhere would care that you said that it's bad to rebel to ban gay marriage? Of fucking course they wouldn't.

But it is bad and we should enforce the law on them.

Point is, progressives are obligated to break any laws that counterdict our goals for a freer, healthier, cleaner and better society for citizens, consumers and the environment. Right wing theocrats and corporations must know their place and follow the laws we put in place for our goals. Progressivism is the only correct path as it leads to a better more rational human society.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:02 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Do you think that saying that makes any difference?

If, somehow, magically, you managed to actually foment rebellion, and it worked, do you really think that anyone anywhere would care that you said that it's bad to rebel to ban gay marriage? Of fucking course they wouldn't.

But it is bad and we should enforce the law on them.

Point is, progressives are obligated to break any laws that counterdict our goals for a freer, healthier, cleaner and better society for citizens, consumers and the environment. Right wing theocrats and corporations must know their place and follow the laws we put in place for our goals. Progressivism is the only correct path as it leads to a better more rational human society.

I don't think you understand how society works. Or progressivism.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:05 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:But it is bad and we should enforce the law on them.

Point is, progressives are obligated to break any laws that counterdict our goals for a freer, healthier, cleaner and better society for citizens, consumers and the environment. Right wing theocrats and corporations must know their place and follow the laws we put in place for our goals. Progressivism is the only correct path as it leads to a better more rational human society.

I don't think you understand how society works. Or progressivism.

You know what I mean... But whatever... I just dont think States should be disallowed from making net neutrality laws nor give up legalized weed, but states and people should be made to follow equal rights laws.

What is so wrong with that?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:11 am

The Flutterlands wrote:You know what I mean...

I really don't.
But whatever... I just dont think States should be disallowed from making net neutrality laws nor give up legalized weed, but states and people should be made to follow equal rights laws.

What is so wrong with that?

The fact that you can't express any coherent and non-hypocritical method of enforcing that that is acceptable to you.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:20 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:You know what I mean...

I really don't.
But whatever... I just dont think States should be disallowed from making net neutrality laws nor give up legalized weed, but states and people should be made to follow equal rights laws.

What is so wrong with that?

The fact that you can't express any coherent and non-hypocritical method of enforcing that that is acceptable to you.

It is not non-coherent to believe that some law breaking is morally better than others. Why shouldn't progressive states go against anti-majuriana rules while Right wing states must follow equal rights?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:27 am

The Flutterlands wrote:It is not non-coherent to believe that some law breaking is morally better than others. Why shouldn't progressive states go against anti-majuriana rules while Right wing states must follow equal rights?

Why shouldn't conservative states go against anti-gun rules while progressive states must follow equal rights?
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:28 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:It is not non-coherent to believe that some law breaking is morally better than others. Why shouldn't progressive states go against anti-majuriana rules while Right wing states must follow equal rights?

Why shouldn't conservative states go against anti-gun rules while progressive states must follow equal rights?

Well, I support gun rights with background checks. So that argument is moot.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:29 am

The Flutterlands wrote:Well, I support gun rights with background checks. So that argument is moot.

Background checks are unconstitutional. Stop trying to strip states of their ability to enforce equal rights.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:36 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Well, I support gun rights with background checks. So that argument is moot.

Background checks are unconstitutional. Stop trying to strip states of their ability to enforce equal rights.

Fine. Have your gun rights. Just make sure you have laws that make sure they are used properly...
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:39 am

The Flutterlands wrote:Fine. Have your gun rights. Just make sure you have laws that make sure they are used properly...

That's unconstitutional. Nowhere does it say in the Constitution or the Second Amendment that there's a 'proper' use for firearms.

Do you see what path this kind of shit leads down?
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Postby Maineiacs » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:41 am

Ifreann wrote:
Liriena wrote:Polling has shown that Republicans will often "follow the leader" and collectively change their minds on an issue at a neckbreaking pace.

You don't have to be ideologically consistent when your one guiding principle is authoritarianism.

Barely related, those most read stories down the side.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:43 am

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Ifreann wrote:Barely related, those most read stories down the side.
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Scariest. Mental. Image. Ever.

I feel for Melania.
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Liriena wrote:I feel for Melania.

Don't worry. Melania doesn't feel it.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:44 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Fine. Have your gun rights. Just make sure you have laws that make sure they are used properly...

That's unconstitutional. Nowhere does it say in the Constitution or the Second Amendment that there's a 'proper' use for firearms.

Do you see what path this kind of shit leads down?

But background checks and gun safety rules are good for society.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:44 am

The Flutterlands wrote:But background checks and gun safety rules are good for society.

According to you. Do you really not see how your own arguments can be reversed and used against you? This is a dangerous precedent to set.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:47 am

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Liriena wrote:I feel for Melania.

Don't worry. Melania doesn't feel it.

Gawd dammit. :rofl:
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:47 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:But background checks and gun safety rules are good for society.

According to you. Do you really not see how your own arguments can be reversed and used against you? This is a dangerous precedent to set.

But my arguments are factually proven. Just like rhetoric against marijuana are proven factually incorrect. Therefore, anti-majuriana laws should be broken by the states and protected by State police against the feds.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:48 am

The Flutterlands wrote:But my arguments are factually proven. Just like rhetoric against marijuana are proven factually incorrect. Therefore, anti-majuriana laws should be broken by the states and protected by State police against the feds.

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Conserative Morality wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:But my arguments are factually proven. Just like rhetoric against marijuana are proven factually incorrect. Therefore, anti-majuriana laws should be broken by the states and protected by State police against the feds.

Image

What is wrong with my logic?
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Postby MeeNMann » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:52 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:But background checks and gun safety rules are good for society.

According to you. Do you really not see how your own arguments can be reversed and used against you? This is a dangerous precedent to set.


You're right. I honestly think criminals can own guns, but officials would have to check them every, let's say 3 months. I know that's unconstitutional and would never work, but I can dream dammit!
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:57 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Do you think that saying that makes any difference?

If, somehow, magically, you managed to actually foment rebellion, and it worked, do you really think that anyone anywhere would care that you said that it's bad to rebel to ban gay marriage? Of fucking course they wouldn't.

But it is bad and we should enforce the law on them.

Mmm, thing about rebellions is that it doesn't really matter if they're legal, it matters if they work. And if you can do it with no guns, no organisation, no support, no nothing except posting online that it must be done, how do you imagine that you will stop people with guns, organisation, and support?

Denounce them online really hard? Tell them that they are objectively immoral as they drag you out of office?

Point is, progressives are obligated to break any laws that counterdict our goals for a freer, healthier, cleaner and better society for citizens, consumers and the environment.

And when "progressives" are being locked up for breaking all these laws, you'll be attending college, staying on the right side of the law because you want to graduate.
Right wing theocrats and corporations must know their place and follow the laws we put in place for our goals. Progressivism is the only correct path as it leads to a better more rational human society.

Oh yes, I'm sure the survivors of the Second Civil War will be overjoyed to live under your iron heel. They definitely won't take up arms and overthrow you just like you demand that other people overthrow Trump.
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