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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:30 pm

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tl;dr "Nuh-uh, we didn't do that!"

The vast majority of this is just them saying they didn't do what the Nunes memo says they did.


And what evidence did the Nunes memo provide that they did the things it says they did?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:33 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Kramanica wrote:tl;dr "Nuh-uh, we didn't do that!"

The vast majority of this is just them saying they didn't do what the Nunes memo says they did.


And what evidence did the Nunes memo provide that they did the things it says they did?

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Postby Kramanica » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:05 pm

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Kramanica wrote:I would expect better refutation beyond just saying "Nah we didn't do that."

What would that be?

Could just follow Shof's suggestion and release the application for the FISA warrant. Then we can put this to rest once and for all.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:24 pm

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:26 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:If I hear one person on about how Trumps a “regular guy” I swear

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Postby Shofercia » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:26 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Something that Conservatives and Liberals agree on. Can Republicans and Democrats?




Yep, and this demonstrates the need to follow Dershowitz's suggestion.

Have to absolve the Donald of everything even though he keeps behaving suspiciously for someone supposedly innocent after all.


The FISA warrant could implicate Donald. We don't know until we see it. Thus far we have two highly partisan memos, that say very little, and advertise a lot of crap. Let's see the actual warrant request.


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Cannot think of a name wrote:What would that be?

Could just follow Shof's suggestion and release the application for the FISA warrant. Then we can put this to rest once and for all.


It's not my suggestion, I borrowed it from Alan Dershowitz, who's a Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, and who supported Clinton over Trump. But Dershowitz also understands how the US Constitution works much better than the Ranking Democrat on the intelligence subcommittee; or the Republican Chair for that matter. He's a bit looney on foreign policy, probably in the "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" camp, but in terms of Constitutional Issues, his input is highly valuable.
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Postby Kramanica » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:26 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:If I hear one person on about how Trumps a “regular guy” I swear

Don't all presidents try and present themselves as regular people?
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:27 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:If I hear one person on about how Trumps a “regular guy” I swear

Don't all presidents try and present themselves as regular people?


I think that's been the case ever since not doing that cost John Quincy Adams reelection :P
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:28 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:If I hear one person on about how Trumps a “regular guy” I swear

Don't all presidents try and present themselves as regular people?

They do
But people will sit here and eat up his unpresidential rants and go “see, he just like us”
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:28 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Don't all presidents try and present themselves as regular people?

They do
But people will sit here and eat up his unpresidential rants and go “see, he just like us”


To be fair, in some cases his Twitter Rants are like theirs :P
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Postby Kramanica » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:29 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Don't all presidents try and present themselves as regular people?

They do
But people will sit here and eat up his unpresidential rants and go “see, he just like us”

Because he is in that regard lol he angrily rants about politics like a normal person. It is unpresidential, yeah, but it certainly isn't hurting him based upon how well he's doing in recent polls.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:31 pm

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:31 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:They do
But people will sit here and eat up his unpresidential rants and go “see, he just like us”

Because he is in that regard lol he angrily rants about politics like a normal person. It is unpresidential, yeah, but it certainly isn't hurting him based upon how well he's doing in recent polls.

He went from 30 to 40
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:31 pm



It's almost like someone can change their positions over time.
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:


It's almost like someone can change their positions over time.


Or even during her campaign, depending on who she's talking to :P
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:33 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Because he is in that regard lol he angrily rants about politics like a normal person. It is unpresidential, yeah, but it certainly isn't hurting him based upon how well he's doing in recent polls.

He went from 30 to 40


So the greatest approval ratings of any president ever. :roll:
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:He went from 30 to 40


So the greatest approval ratings of any president ever. :roll:


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Postby Kramanica » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:35 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Because he is in that regard lol he angrily rants about politics like a normal person. It is unpresidential, yeah, but it certainly isn't hurting him based upon how well he's doing in recent polls.

He went from 30 to 40

Some polls have him at 40. Rasmussen has him at 50.

Either way it's been improving.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:35 pm

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It's almost like someone can change their positions over time.


Usually a politician doing a complete u-turn is a sign of weakness.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:37 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's almost like someone can change their positions over time.


Usually a politician doing a complete u-turn is a sign of weakness.


Trump isn't a career politician and changes his views depending on who he last talked to. We've known this for a couple years now.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:37 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:He went from 30 to 40

Some polls have him at 40. Rasmussen has him at 50.

Either way it's been improving.

Improving from absurdly low to understably low isn’t much
If most polls put him at over 50, then I’ll say something
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Postby Kramanica » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:39 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Some polls have him at 40. Rasmussen has him at 50.

Either way it's been improving.

Improving from absurdly low to understably low isn’t much
If most polls put him at over 50, then I’ll say something

Obama was around 45% at this point in his presidency. And depending on which poll you look at he's slightly below Obama or slightly above.
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Usually a politician doing a complete u-turn is a sign of weakness.


Trump isn't a career politician

I swear if someone says this again, I'll throw myself into a meat grinder.

People change careers, and he's making a whole fuckton of money off of it now that he's doing it, so I think it's safe to say he fucking is!
and changes his views depending on who he last talked to. We've known this for a couple years now.

Yeah, it is pretty spooky the degree to which he just absorbs whoever spoke to him most recently.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:41 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Improving from absurdly low to understably low isn’t much
If most polls put him at over 50, then I’ll say something

Obama was around 45% at this point in his presidency. And depending on which poll you look at he's slightly below Obama or slightly above.

And Obama was unpopular president
I never said I was a huge Obamite, hell im not even a Democrat
Just saying that Trump current approval rating is nothing to write home about
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Postby Hayo » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:42 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:What would that be?

Could just follow Shof's suggestion and release the application for the FISA warrant. Then we can put this to rest once and for all.

Most of it would probably have to be redacted for operational security reasons.

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