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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kramania wrote:If you want I could explain to you how being open to the press is kind of antithetical to wanting to shut them down.

By all means. I'm sure your explanation will be fascinating.

You see, giving the press access to your administration is kind of the opposite of shutting them down.

Figured that would be obvious. But hey, leading a horse to water and whatnot.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:08 pm

South Korea's Moon credits Trump with 'huge' contribution to North Korea talks

"Moon" is their president. Not, you know, the actual moon.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:09 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kramania wrote:I fail to see why that's bad.

Mostly because you assume those same laws will never be turned on your favorite right-wing media.

I do love you telling me what I think.
And CNN was excluded from this meeting?

I did not talk about this briefing when I brought up Trump banning certain news outfits from some.

I know. How disingenuous.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:10 pm

Kramania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:By all means. I'm sure your explanation will be fascinating.

You see, giving the press access to your administration is kind of the opposite of shutting them down.

Figured that would be obvious. But hey, leading a horse to water and whatnot.

Pardoning a turkey doesn’t make the president a vegetarian.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:13 pm

Kramania wrote:South Korea's Moon credits Trump with 'huge' contribution to North Korea talks

"Moon" is their president. Not, you know, the actual moon.

Credited Trump as on he's so unstable and shallow that Kim Jong-Un suddenly felt compelled to be more statesmanly with South Korea to avoid the taint.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:17 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kramania wrote:South Korea's Moon credits Trump with 'huge' contribution to North Korea talks

"Moon" is their president. Not, you know, the actual moon.

Credited Trump as on he's so unstable and shallow that Kim Jong-Un suddenly felt compelled to be more statesmanly with South Korea to avoid the taint.

Moon praised Trump personally, saying he "made a huge contribution to make inter-Korean talks happen (and) I'd like to express my gratitude."

Funny, I don't see anything about "unstable" and "shallow" here.

Speak out of your mouth and not your ass from now on. Please and thank you.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:18 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kramania wrote:You see, giving the press access to your administration is kind of the opposite of shutting them down.

Figured that would be obvious. But hey, leading a horse to water and whatnot.

Pardoning a turkey doesn’t make the president a vegetarian.

Kind of a shitty analogy but whatever.

So if he wants to shut them down then why give them more access than most previous presidents have?

That's some pretty tortured logic. Maybe it's that 4th-dimensional chess I keep hearing so much about.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:30 pm

Kramania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Pardoning a turkey doesn’t make the president a vegetarian.

Kind of a shitty analogy but whatever.

So if he wants to shut them down then why give them more access than most previous presidents have?

That's some pretty tortured logic. Maybe it's that 4th-dimensional chess I keep hearing so much about.

Because he didn’t and it wasn’t and one act of showboating doesn’t erase all the other actual shitty things.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:34 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kramania wrote:Kind of a shitty analogy but whatever.

So if he wants to shut them down then why give them more access than most previous presidents have?

That's some pretty tortured logic. Maybe it's that 4th-dimensional chess I keep hearing so much about.

Because he didn’t and it wasn’t

But he did and it was.

and one act of showboating doesn’t erase all the other actual shitty things.

Despite the hysterical screeching, he's done nothing to shut down the press. And no, criticizing media outlets doesn't count.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:40 pm

Kramania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Because he didn’t and it wasn’t

But he did and it was.

and one act of showboating doesn’t erase all the other actual shitty things.

Despite the hysterical screeching, he's done nothing to shut down the press. And no, criticizing media outlets doesn't count.


Actually I believe Obama gave the press more access then he has.

The campaign of labeling it fake news is an effort to discredit them. He and his underlings routinely do that.

Unless of course you are trying say it's not happening until they are forced to shut down?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:46 pm

Kramania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Because he didn’t and it wasn’t

But he did and it was.


Only if you believe in Trump Exceptionalism, wherein if trump manages to not poop his pants he’s a ground breaker. Otherwise it is indistinguishable from times other presidents have done the exact same thing. Well, except when, say, Obama did it during the run up to the ACA it was to demonstrate his command of the issue versus grandstanding he was negotiating against, like when he called out the dude who had the bill in front of him he knew was going to use as a prop to talk about the size of the bill instead of the substance. In this it just demonstrated that trump doesn’t even know the vocabulary of negotiation when what a “clean” bill is had to be explained to him and he still didn’t get it. This was a pedestrian display of political prowess and he face planted. No wonder his ardent defenders are trying to make what is wholly routine seem special.
and one act of showboating doesn’t erase all the other actual shitty things.

Despite the hysterical screeching, he's done nothing to shut down the press. And no, criticizing media outlets doesn't count.[/quote]
First of all, it kind of does. But that’s really too complex a concept for you so we’ll skip it. He hasn’t passed a law because he has no support for it nor the legal authority. But I’m willing to bet that has to be explained to him too.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kramania wrote:But he did and it was.


Despite the hysterical screeching, he's done nothing to shut down the press. And no, criticizing media outlets doesn't count.


Actually I believe Obama gave the press more access then he has.

No, he didn't.

The campaign of labeling it fake news is an effort to discredit them. He and his underlings routinely do that.

And?

I don't get it. Are CNN and the Nytimes now suddenly the entire press? Just because you (verbally) attack some businesses belonging to a certain industry doesn't mean you're attacking that entire industry.

Unless of course you are trying say it's not happening until they are forced to shut down?

See above.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:53 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kramania wrote:But he did and it was.


Only if you believe in Trump Exceptionalism, wherein if trump manages to not poop his pants he’s a ground breaker. Otherwise it is indistinguishable from times other presidents have done the exact same thing. Well, except when, say, Obama did it during the run up to the ACA it was to demonstrate his command of the issue versus grandstanding he was negotiating against, like when he called out the dude who had the bill in front of him he knew was going to use as a prop to talk about the size of the bill instead of the substance. In this it just demonstrated that trump doesn’t even know the vocabulary of negotiation when what a “clean” bill is had to be explained to him and he still didn’t get it. This was a pedestrian display of political prowess and he face planted. No wonder his ardent defenders are trying to make what is wholly routine seem special.

If you're trying to suggest that this was "routine" then I hate to break it to you, sweetheart, but you're lying and you don't know what you're talking about.

Hell, the Nytimes is hailing it as extraordinary and unusual.

Don't speak of matters you know nothing about. Please and thank you.
Despite the hysterical screeching, he's done nothing to shut down the press. And no, criticizing media outlets doesn't count.

First of all, it kind of does. But that’s really too complex a concept for you so we’ll skip it. He hasn’t passed a law because he has no support for it nor the legal authority. But I’m willing to bet that has to be explained to him too.

First of all, it kind of doesn't.

And I'm guessing you've tapped into Trumps mind and know that he wishes he could pass such a law, correct?

Like a previous poster you're speaking out of your ass rather than your mouth. Stop it. Stop it. Stttoooopppp itttttt.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:55 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Kramania wrote:You see, giving the press access to your administration is kind of the opposite of shutting them down.

Figured that would be obvious. But hey, leading a horse to water and whatnot.

Pardoning a turkey doesn’t make the president a vegetarian.


Nope, but he's still the highest vegetable.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:56 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Pardoning a turkey doesn’t make the president a vegetarian.


Nope, but he's still the highest yughist vegetable.

Fixed that for ya
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:02 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Nope, but he's still the highest yughist vegetable.

Fixed that for ya

I am the best vegetable, the absolute best. Nobody, nobody does photosynthesis like me.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:06 pm

Kramania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Actually I believe Obama gave the press more access then he has.

No, he didn't.


The one thing I found said he did.

Let's see your source.


The campaign of labeling it fake news is an effort to discredit them. He and his underlings routinely do that.

And?

I don't get it. Are CNN and the Nytimes now suddenly the entire press? Just because you (verbally) attack some businesses belonging to a certain industry doesn't mean you're attacking that entire industry.


Ahh splitting hairs game. You could have simply said he talks to Fox so he supports the press.

Unless of course you are trying say it's not happening until they are forced to shut down?

See above.


Split those hairs.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:11 pm

Kramania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Fixed that for ya

I am the best vegetable, the absolute best. Nobody, nobody does photosynthesis like me.


Upon further review, you've just been reclassified as a toadstool in the dark, Mr. President. But you are the all time best at growing upon shit.
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Postby Kramania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:28 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kramania wrote:No, he didn't.


The one thing I found said he did.

Let's see your source.

Uh, okay?

I'll throw in two.

Trump is more acessible to the press than Obama.

Secondary source.


And?

I don't get it. Are CNN and the Nytimes now suddenly the entire press? Just because you (verbally) attack some businesses belonging to a certain industry doesn't mean you're attacking that entire industry.


Ahh splitting hairs game. You could have simply said he talks to Fox so he supports the press.

I wish there was still a facepalm smilie.

How is that splitting hairs?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:33 pm

Kramania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Only if you believe in Trump Exceptionalism, wherein if trump manages to not poop his pants he’s a ground breaker. Otherwise it is indistinguishable from times other presidents have done the exact same thing. Well, except when, say, Obama did it during the run up to the ACA it was to demonstrate his command of the issue versus grandstanding he was negotiating against, like when he called out the dude who had the bill in front of him he knew was going to use as a prop to talk about the size of the bill instead of the substance. In this it just demonstrated that trump doesn’t even know the vocabulary of negotiation when what a “clean” bill is had to be explained to him and he still didn’t get it. This was a pedestrian display of political prowess and he face planted. No wonder his ardent defenders are trying to make what is wholly routine seem special.

If you're trying to suggest that this was "routine" then I hate to break it to you, sweetheart, but you're lying and you don't know what you're talking about.

Hell, the Nytimes is hailing it as extraordinary and unusual.

I like that you don’t read your own sources. Neither of those adjectives where applied to the access media had.
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First of all, it kind of does. But that’s really too complex a concept for you so we’ll skip it. He hasn’t passed a law because he has no support for it nor the legal authority. But I’m willing to bet that has to be explained to him too.

First of all, it kind of doesn't.

And I'm guessing you've tapped into Trumps mind and know that he wishes he could pass such a law, correct?

Like a previous poster you're speaking out of your ass rather than your mouth. Stop it. Stop it. Stttoooopppp itttttt.

Judging trump by the shit he says is mindreadin and not fair, guys.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:51 pm

Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election

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Kramania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:By all means. I'm sure your explanation will be fascinating.

You see, giving the press access to your administration is kind of the opposite of shutting them down.

Giving the press access to the administration is the opposite of not giving them that access. I would think it obvious that neither action precludes Trump wanting news media shut down unless they are sufficiently full of praise for him.

Lots of jobs involve doing things other than what one would like to do. Like when Trump had dinner with Steve Bannon instead of eating a cheeseburger in bed while watching three TVs.

Figured that would be obvious. But hey, leading a horse to water and whatnot.

Certainly it's obvious that those things are different. But it doesn't serve to contradict Trump's many statements over the last two years about the press and his strongly negative feelings towards them if every they dare criticise him.

Is this really the extent of your explanation? He once let the media stay in the room for an hour while he worked, therefore all his many attacks on the media don't count?

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:04 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Kramania wrote:I am the best vegetable, the absolute best. Nobody, nobody does photosynthesis like me.


Upon further review, you've just been reclassified as a toadstool in the dark, Mr. President. But you are the all time best at growing upon shit.

No wonder Trump watches FOX all the time. Bullshit Mountain.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Some bad news is that according to Rasmussen, Oprah is 10 points ahead of Trump. This is with her having virtually no policy platform, all we have at this moment is what can be gleaned from her shows.

It would appear that she is nobody's Progressive, she will be just as if not more neo-liberal than Hillary Clinton.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election

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It can't be that bad, right?

Right?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Painisia wrote:How do you all think the 2020 election is going to be? Will Trump be reelected or Oprah Winfrey?


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